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8-Bit Scholar posted:Libertarianism as a concept has a lot of good points, particularly its wish to avoid government growing too big and thus too susceptible to corruption. Not every single libertarian point is a useful one, and I've never presented myself as a purist towards the ideology nor any ideology. I'd say that our best bet to shake loose the corruption that has ruined American politics is to reduce government and refocus it towards domestic welfare and betterment, relaxing the war machine and also relaxing its stranglehold on civil liberties. When you have police actively empowered to violate people's constitutional rights, then democracy has already become horribly compromised. I'm non-ideological, I'm non-ideological! I say as I shrink into a copy of The Road To Serfdom.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Libertarianism as a concept has a lot of good points, particularly its wish to avoid government growing too big and thus too susceptible to corruption. Not every single libertarian point is a useful one, and I've never presented myself as a purist towards the ideology nor any ideology. I'd say that our best bet to shake loose the corruption that has ruined American politics is to reduce government and refocus it towards domestic welfare and betterment, relaxing the war machine and also relaxing its stranglehold on civil liberties. When you have police actively empowered to violate people's constitutional rights, then democracy has already become horribly compromised. ..and you're a trump supporter? 
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Lightning Lord posted:This is all great stuff and all and I agree with the majority but it's at odds with your Trump support so it's just sweet, empty words. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you have an ounce of sincerity, it's why people are giving you acres of poo poo. Even a "yes he's done bad stuff but it's too early to tell and if he turns out to be a garbage prez then he's garbage" or something would get you some respect What is the exchange rate between ounces and acres?
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Lightning Lord posted:This is all great stuff and all and I agree with the majority but it's at odds with your Trump support so it's just sweet, empty words. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you have an ounce of sincerity, it's why people are giving you acres of poo poo. Even a "yes he's done bad stuff but it's too early to tell and if he turns out to be a garbage prez then he's garbage" or something would get you some respect I find this a really hard attitude to parse. You agree with what I'm saying, but my "support" (which is nebulous at best) of Trump makes you question my sincerity? My stance is pretty basic: Trump has major problems, IMO, but they are not really the same problems the media reports about. Like, scream about racism until you are blue in the face, but Trump's most racist policies, enforcing strict immigration laws and ending DACA, have resulted in a lot of good things. Hotels can no longer employ migrants for under the table wages; farmers have to raise their wages to be competive in a job market that they've ignored for so long, they are actually struggling to find people willing to do the grueling work they used to pass off to Mexicans. The travel ban on Muslims, I can only shrug about. I don't think it's effective, as a primary point of criticism, but frankly I can see why a lot of people support it. People look at what's happening at France and they remember 9/11 and they get scared. Every decade or so Americans get a new ethnic group they become terrified of -- these things come and go, and this poo poo was even worse post 9/11, when peaceful Sikhs were murdered by hateful, fearful mobs because they were mistaken for Muslims. My biggest issue with Trump is that he's stupidly in love with uniforms. Pardoning Joe Arpaio is a deal breaker for me, and I'm like not to vote for him (and I didn't vote for him previously) come re-election. It won't hurt his chances at winning, because his opposition is pants-on-head retarded, but I think he's basically just let the military run the show how it wants to run it, and the result has been an egregious death toll overseas. It's a different flavor of evil than the previous administration, but it's wretched all the same.
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enraged_camel posted:God drat, TD is leaking into SA again. I thought his thing was getting leaked on
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8-Bit Scholar posted:
On the other hand, every white libertarian i know would side with the cops to exterminate black and brown people Libertarianism is just entryist white nationalism
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I find this a really hard attitude to parse. You agree with what I'm saying, but my "support" (which is nebulous at best) of Trump makes you question my sincerity? My stance is pretty basic: Trump has major problems, IMO, but they are not really the same problems the media reports about. Like, scream about racism until you are blue in the face, but Trump's most racist policies, enforcing strict immigration laws and ending DACA, have resulted in a lot of good things. Hotels can no longer employ migrants for under the table wages; farmers have to raise their wages to be competive in a job market that they've ignored for so long, they are actually struggling to find people willing to do the grueling work they used to pass off to Mexicans. Your support for the brutal police state necessary for immigration while pretending to dislike "uniforms" shows that what you mainly care about is the aesthetics of people suffering, not the actual fact of it. You know who else was supremely concerned with the aesthetic state...
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oh good, we got to the part where 8bs strips and does a dance and reveals his white supremacist tattoo this happened later in the libertarian convention last year but good on him for getting it out earlier
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Libertarianism as a concept has a lot of good points, particularly its wish to avoid government growing too big and thus too susceptible to corruption. Not every single libertarian point is a useful one, and I've never presented myself as a purist towards the ideology nor any ideology. I'd say that our best bet to shake loose the corruption that has ruined American politics is to reduce government and refocus it towards domestic welfare and betterment, relaxing the war machine and also relaxing its stranglehold on civil liberties. When you have police actively empowered to violate people's constitutional rights, then democracy has already become horribly compromised. No.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Like, scream about racism until you are blue in the face, but Trump's most racist policies, enforcing strict immigration laws and ending DACA, have resulted in a lot of good things. what brand of tiki torch do you prefer?
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My alma mater is infested with racist alumni who immediately demanded the school expel and deport the 35 DACA status students when the university posted a message saying they'd offer legal support to those kids. This is the reality of white supremacy- they hate brown people more than they like their own college's alumni.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Agreed, election day should be a national paid holiday. That sounds like SOCIALISM boy, you some sorta commie?
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8-Bit Scholar posted:my beautiful president spun of white gold is actually helping those filthy immigrants by trying to round them up and kick them out you see
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Deteriorata posted:I'm coming to the conclusion that 8-bit scholar is actually just another idiot tankie. he once said local governments should have their own faa or something else incredibly stupid he's just a dumb libertarian.
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William Contraalto posted:Your support for the brutal police state necessary for immigration while pretending to dislike "uniforms" shows that what you mainly care about is the aesthetics of people suffering, not the actual fact of it. You know who else was supremely concerned with the aesthetic state... Again, you're either twisting my words or seeing only what you want to see. Personally, I don't mind it is immigration was a relatively easy process, I think the U.S. has always had at least some philosophical aspect of being open to people coming to start a new life. However, we have so many domestic problems that desperately need to be addressed that we need to start cleaning our house before we can invite people to stay in it. I mean, wait, are you defending the fact that migrant labor conditions have allowed businesses to unethically hire illegal immigrants and pay them low wages and offer bad working conditions? What is your exact stance you're taking here? A reminder that Obama had literal internment camps for migrants and had people wearing weird monitoring anklets to keep track of them, that's loving ridiculous. If that's what an open border policy looks like, then we desperately need a better option. And while we have a government and business sector complicit in abusing migrant labor, I don't think America is a true land of opportunity for these people at its present state anyway. QuarkJets posted:That sounds like SOCIALISM boy, you some sorta commie? That sounds like Democracy for me, where one's right to vote is just as important as any other day we make a national holiday. Holidays aren't uniquely socialist.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Like, scream about racism until you are blue in the face, but Trump's most racist policies, enforcing strict immigration laws and ending DACA, have resulted in a lot of good things. Hotels can no longer employ migrants for under the table wages; farmers have to raise their wages to be competive in a job market that they've ignored for so long, they are actually struggling to find people willing to do the grueling work they used to pass off to Mexicans. 8-Bit Scholar posted:People look at what's happening at France and they remember 9/11 and they get scared. Every decade or so Americans get a new ethnic group they become terrified of -- these things come and go, and this poo poo was even worse post 9/11, when peaceful Sikhs were murdered by hateful, fearful mobs because they were mistaken for Muslims. Post-9/11 white supremacists are killing more Americans than Muslim fundamentalists are. Also, the spate of violence against minorities after Trump's election was at least equivalent to the spate of violence against minorities after 9/11. ----- Ok, this guy is just your run of the mill racist, libertarian piece of poo poo. Pack it in. Nothing more to see here.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Libertarianism as a concept has a lot of good points, particularly its wish to avoid government growing too big and thus too susceptible to corruption. And also that there should be a thriving market in buying/selling children
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So what system of government ought be adopted or how can corruption in our current system be meaningfully addressed in a long-term and lasting manner?
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Libertarianism as a concept has a lot of good points In much the same way that Reddit has a lot of good posters, perhaps.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:these people 
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8-Bit Scholar posted:That sounds like Democracy for me, where one's right to vote is just as important as any other day we make a national holiday. like, at what point it time?
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8-Bit Scholar posted:However, we have so many domestic problems that desperately need to be addressed that we need to start cleaning our house before we can invite people to stay in it. This is such a pathetic, sorry excuse to not fix a problem. You're just a white supremacist doing your best to defend overtly racist policies without admitting that you, yourself are personally a racist, which you are. gently caress you, stop posting you stupid nazi-loving, disingenuous piece of poo poo
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Again, you're either twisting my words or seeing only what you want to see. Personally, I don't mind it is immigration was a relatively easy process, I think the U.S. has always had at least some philosophical aspect of being open to people coming to start a new life. However, we have so many domestic problems that desperately need to be addressed that we need to start cleaning our house before we can invite people to stay in it. I mean, wait, are you defending the fact that migrant labor conditions have allowed businesses to unethically hire illegal immigrants and pay them low wages and offer bad working conditions? What is your exact stance you're taking here? A reminder that Obama had literal internment camps for migrants and had people wearing weird monitoring anklets to keep track of them, that's loving ridiculous. If that's what an open border policy looks like, then we desperately need a better option. And while we have a government and business sector complicit in abusing migrant labor, I don't think America is a true land of opportunity for these people at its present state anyway. When we clear away the bullshit, all that's left is the idea that a police state is "cleaning our house", which basically sums things up.
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8 bit scholar, i get that now that your community has been destroyed you need a new place to post, but this isn't anything like stormfront have you considered going to reddit instead
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gently caress me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of Libertarianism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
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I have some specialized house cleaning equipment in mind: but probably not for the same people you do, shithead
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When you think about it, we really ought to be deporting ICE and CBP agents. They have repeatedly demonstrated their contempt for American values and the rule of law.
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On second thought, 8-Bit shows why the list was originally there: in hopes people wouldn't engage with them. Have added back an extremely pruned version.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:So what system of government ought be adopted or how can corruption in our current system be meaningfully addressed in a long-term and lasting manner? I call it Just Egalitarian World Socialism. 
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Again, you're either twisting my words or seeing only what you want to see. Personally, I don't mind it is immigration was a relatively easy process, I think the U.S. has always had at least some philosophical aspect of being open to people coming to start a new life. However, we have so many domestic problems that desperately need to be addressed that we need to start cleaning our house before we can invite people to stay in it. I, too, don't understand that a lot of people who come into the U.S. undocumented, do so to quite literally preserve their lives and the lives of their family. Nope, they're just doing it to be naughty and to take yer jurbs.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:That sounds like Democracy for me, where one's right to vote is just as important as any other day we make a national holiday. Holidays aren't uniquely socialist. I'm painting a caricature of the average Republican responding to an idea espoused by Bernie Sanders
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lol jeff sessions hey idiot if lie detectors were actually 100% reliable we wouldnt have lawyers and courts
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8-Bit Scholar posted:However, we have so many domestic problems that desperately need to be addressed that we need to start cleaning our house before we can invite people to stay in it. Ah... and here it is, the "we gotta figure out what's going on first" argument. Look, friends, I think we have so many domestic problems that desperately need to be addressed before we let those subhumans from collecting our welfare, having political power or reproducing with our women. We just need to figure out what's going on first. Then we can invite them back into society. I think the Founding Fathers used a similar argument about not ending slavery. We just gotta figure things out first... then we'll figure out what to do with those savages. I think he's right though. We gotta clean house... first by arresting most of the Capitalist shits like the Kochs, disbanding and restructuring the police forces, ending private prisons and military contractors and nationalizing key industries like health care, power and meme generation. Pembroke Fuse fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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empty whippet box posted:This is such a pathetic, sorry excuse to not fix a problem. You're just a white supremacist doing your best to defend overtly racist policies without admitting that you, yourself are personally a racist, which you are. gently caress you, stop posting you stupid nazi-loving, disingenuous piece of poo poo Is this just how you think? That anyone who disagrees with you must secretly be a racist and you'll find that little slip that proves they were never worth listening to? Can you offer anything besides ad hominem attacks? I'm quoting this post because it seems the most hateful, but a number of you have said the same thing and it's quite silly and more than a little alarming. Look, we've been at this for a few pages now, I feel like the initial outrage ought to have simmered down. Do you lack such faith in your own convictions that you can defend or discuss them without trying to prove some assumption about my person, a person you only know as text and a moving image on a computer screen? William Contraalto posted:When we clear away the bullshit, all that's left is the idea that a police state is "cleaning our house", which basically sums things up. Well we clearly don't agree that the domestic situation in the U.S. is great, because I think it's pretty loving atrocious what jobs are available and how expensive education systems are, but again, you are a loving whiz bang ace at manipulating language here; despite my saying exactly the opposite of what you are trying to imply, you seem keen on trying to represent me wrong so as to poison my words. So answer a few questions, if you don't mind: 1. Do you think the state of labor in the U.S. is good right now? If not, why not? If so, why so? 2. Do you think the U.S. is ably sustaining its current population and would be able to sustain that population without relying heavily on imported goods? 3. Do you think, overall, domestically, the United States is in a good place and it would be able to ethically and hospitably welcome refugees and immigrants? Perhaps more simply, what immigration policy do you WANT to see enacted, and how do you envision it working?
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