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https://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/DiKzAx2.gif&v=tWhbyOzmh7I&s=27 I Greyhound fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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Sep 11, 2017 03:52
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The version of It that takes place in 2008 would for sure have Pennywise take the form of the Six Flags guy.
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Sep 11, 2017 03:53
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For somewhat subtle parts of the movie, I really dug how prior to the blood bathroom scene with Beverly, as she is walking by her sleeping father that children's show is playing and you can hear the host of it talking about how much fun it is to play in the sewer. Also, they totally did include THAT scene when the boys all help Beverly clean up the blood in the bathroom and thus metaphorically help to become less ashamed of her period/sexuality.
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Sep 11, 2017 04:03
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fr0id posted:For somewhat subtle parts of the movie, I really dug how prior to the blood bathroom scene with Beverly, as she is walking by her sleeping father that children's show is playing and you can hear the host of it talking about how much fun it is to play in the sewer. I noticed this too and loved it. The best part about the tv-related parts is the look the lady on the TV has when she walks off-screen. It's agony, like she's really being told to say this, doesn't want to, but doesn't have a choice..
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Sep 11, 2017 04:46
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Loved the movie. I just wish that Pennywise had gotten more screen time. The way Skarsgard delivered lines was really, really enthralling to me. Also, whoever the kid that played Eddie was, that kid deserves more roles. Him and Richie bantering was aces.
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Sep 11, 2017 05:12
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That was totally Skarsgard as the random clown when Richie said he's afraid of clowns, right?
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Sep 11, 2017 06:30
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Sep 11, 2017 06:33
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Yeah Mike's exclusion...was really loving bad
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Sep 11, 2017 06:45
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I want to reiterate what a great idea it was for Stan to be afraid of a painting. I think lots of people have something from their childhood, like a painting hanging in your grandparents' house, or a woodcarving or statue, that got in your head and freaked you out. My childhood best friend and I exchanged stamps sometimes, and once I gave him back a stamp with a googly-eyed tribal mask on it because it gave me a nightmare. On an unrelated note, though I didn't like Bev's kidnapping, I never felt like she was in distress. She was consistently the toughest character.
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Sep 11, 2017 06:47
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NutritiousSnack posted:Yeah Mike's exclusion...was really loving bad It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Ben is getting Mike's role in the next movie, right?
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Sep 11, 2017 06:48
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Pennywise had to actually grab her to get her. There was no way he was ever going to lure or trick her. I thought it worked.
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Sep 11, 2017 06:48
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Jonas Albrecht posted:It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Ben is getting Mike's role in the next movie, right? You could give it back to Mike honestly. Since he's the only one who (could) stay behind. He takes over the mantle. And we could go into his past with his father and The Black Spot and possibly more Bowers stuff. Make the film mostly about him. Have him be the heart of the film.
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Sep 11, 2017 06:52
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CelticPredator posted:You could give it back to Mike honestly. Since he's the only one who (could) stay behind. He takes over the mantle. And we could go into his past with his father and The Black Spot and possibly more Bowers stuff. Make the film mostly about him. Have him be the heart of the film. I'd really like that. Mike was my favorite character in the book, and I know we're not getting the great stuff with his dad, but his research would make for good cinema.
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Sep 11, 2017 06:56
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Jonas Albrecht posted:It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Ben is getting Mike's role in the next movie, right? It wouldn't make sense at this point for mike to be the lighthouse keeper now. Sure everyone who knows the book would be fine, but everyone just watching would think "huh? why isn't it the kid who was into and researching all this?". The better thing would have just been to make Mike obsessed with the history of derry because of his parents deaths and maybe something strange that he remembers from when it happened. I would buy a kid who lost his parents to a fire when he was 4 or whatever, with vague memories of seeing a clown or something having news clipping and history facts plastered all over his walls easier than a random kid being obsessed for no reason.
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Sep 11, 2017 06:56
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Tom Guycot posted:It wouldn't make sense at this point for mike to be the lighthouse keeper now. Sure everyone who knows the book would be fine, but everyone just watching would think "huh? why isn't it the kid who was into and researching all this?". If they were really dedicated to the whole "Mike's parents are dead!" thing they could easily have made it so they died at the Black Spot which explains his fear of fire (having grown up hearing about it) and interest in history since he wouldn't have been there but would want to know more about his parents and what happened. It kind of sucks they not only stripped Mike of his entire character, but removed the bits of Ben that made him who he was in the book mostly - that he was smart and mechanically minded - since we didn't get the dam scene or the smoke house.
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Sep 11, 2017 07:03
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I guess I'd be fine if Mike turned out to be a famous architect, I was worried they were going to give him Stan's fate, but I think the movie foreshadowed that staying with Stan. EDIT: I also wouldn't mind if Beverly got a different adult life. Jonas Albrecht fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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Sep 11, 2017 07:07
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Nuebot posted:If they were really dedicated to the whole "Mike's parents are dead!" thing they could easily have made it so they died at the Black Spot which explains his fear of fire (having grown up hearing about it) and interest in history since he wouldn't have been there but would want to know more about his parents and what happened. Then Mike would've had to have been 27+ years old.
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Sep 11, 2017 07:16
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Man, the flute playing to cue the appearance of Stanley's fear was legitimately the most unsettling scene in the movie for me because I thought Pennywise was just gonna pop up in the painting or something and my heart seized up when I tried to imagine what that thing would look like or how it would move. It's a whizbang setup for (Ch 2/book spoiler) what he does at the beginning of the adult stuff. He has his dad's motherfucking painting in his house - he is the skeptic, and we're still probably getting some kind of repression or memory loss - and the moment he hangs up the phone that flute starts playing and it all comes back to him and just yeah. gently caress me running.
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Sep 11, 2017 07:20
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That'd be dope as hell
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Sep 11, 2017 07:28
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CelticPredator posted:That was totally Skarsgard as the random clown when Richie said he's afraid of clowns, right? Nah, there was some other guy in the credits.
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Sep 11, 2017 07:33
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:yeah, this is the deeper problem of robbing Mike of any characterization and identity. it definitely felt like a time thing, as Stan also didn't have much going for him either, but Mike's absence was much louder for me, specifically cause he's such an integral character in both the book and the miniseries. But there's a really odd thing going with him being stripped of his identity so much that even his blackness isn't there. I think you can look at it in both a positive and negative way, for the reason you said. they were definitely working toward something new and promising with his storyline, but it wasn't given time to develop. That something strange I noticed about the movie as well. The movie is gleefully salacious about the abuse that Bev suffers from, but really tiptoes around Mike's race. I don't want to make the argument that what this movie really needs is more racism, but just that it has strange boundaries over what is acceptable.
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Sep 11, 2017 07:40
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Simplex posted:That something strange I noticed about the movie as well. The movie is gleefully salacious about the abuse that Bev suffers from, but really tiptoes around Mike's race. I don't want to make the argument that what this movie really needs is more racism, but just that it has strange boundaries over what is acceptable. Henry Bowers also gives us that hard F-bomb in his first scene There's still an obvious racial subtext to the bullies' interactions with Mike, if only because the depiction of older, bigger white boys saying that poo poo about him being unwelcome is loaded with cultural baggage, but it does kinda feel like they're deliberately avoiding leaning into that or that somebody involved in writing the script went "well, one change is that the Civil Rights movement is over and racism is a solved issue in 1989 so"
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Sep 11, 2017 07:47
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I thought they really overused 'Pennywise runs at a main character while vibrating'. The moments where he's more subtly sliding around like a human body shouldn't were creepier. I guess that is kinda how the first part went, hopefully he's less over the top next movie.
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Sep 11, 2017 07:58
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wizard on a water slide posted:Henry Bowers also gives us that hard F-bomb in his first scene Absolutely, its really strange that Henry Bowers seems 100 times more threatening, and hateful of mike in particular in the cheesy mini series than he ever does in this slick, well shot, well acted film. Its a weird thing to say I wish Bowers was more racially abusive to Mike, but in a film that had no problem showing a 6 year old with his arm ripped off in a pool of blood crying in the gutter, or an 11 year old girl hung up as a bloody torso, it came across as a really weird line they were afraid of crossing, and sanitized in a strange way. Mike's race, the Bowers family's reaction specifically because of that was such a big part of the book, the film felt like they could have cast another white kid in that role without it making one bit of difference or changing a single line of dialogue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-BFcds5Wak
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Sep 11, 2017 08:11
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Was Henry's dad a cop in the book? I cant remember
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Sep 11, 2017 08:50
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:Was Henry's dad a cop in the book? I cant remember Nah, he was a bigoted PTSD ww2 vet who had a poor farm down the road from Ben's dad. EDIT: vvvvvvvvvvvvv Right right, I meant to type Mike. The movie's changes must have subconsciously drilled into my brain 
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Sep 11, 2017 08:57
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Tom Guycot posted:Nah, he was a bigoted PTSD ww2 vet who had a poor farm down the road from Ben's dad. Mike's dad. He specifically had a vendetta against Mike's father and blamed him for basically every problem in his life and his views combined with his abuse really formed Henry into the kid he was which is why, in the book at least, he was so especially hateful of Mike.
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Sep 11, 2017 11:37
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Nuebot posted:Mike's dad. He specifically had a vendetta against Mike's father and blamed him for basically every problem in his life and his views combined with his abuse really formed Henry into the kid he was which is why, in the book at least, he was so especially hateful of Mike. Mike's dad's confrontation with Butch Bowers was one of the few  adult stories in Pt 1.
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Sep 11, 2017 11:47
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clockworx posted:Mike's dad's confrontation with Butch Bowers was one of the few Mike's dad was a loving standout among the adults, and I'm convinced that if the kids had come to him about IT, he probably would have helped.
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Sep 11, 2017 11:50
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I preferred Pennywise as a human than a CGI creature. Bill Skarsgard was deliciously creepy and I would have preferred more dialogue from him to sprinting cgi clown scenes. The garage scene was unexpected and great though. I was disappointed they didn't have a Tim Curry clown toy/mannequin in the clown room.
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Sep 11, 2017 13:17
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The Losers defeat Pennywise by overcoming their fear of him. I think Pennywise is a metaphor for drug-induced hallucinations. Hallucinations can't harm you if you acknowledge that they're just harmless hallucinations. I hear Stephen King was doing a lot of drugs in those days.
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Sep 11, 2017 13:33
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BobKnob posted:
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Sep 11, 2017 13:34
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Panfilo posted:Pennywise shapeshifting from Georgie form to Clown Form was pretty freaky. The limb growing back, pompoms sprouting on his feet, and stretching out really made Pennywise look very organic that challenges 'its just an illusion'. It was straight up Palmer or Norris turning into their "Thing" forms with the body spasms and contorting limbs. I loved that part. Especially since it had just followed the great acting between Bill and Georgie. "Bill, I wanna go hooooome."  I'll echo one criticism made by Red Letter Media that I agree with. The appearances of Pennywise and the monsters felt very routine? It was like a metronome every 8 minutes. Instead of letting some scenes simmer and build some more time for Ben and Mike, the breakneck pacing would end a scene early and move on to the next spooky moment. It didn't ruin the experience for me, it just lessened the impact of Pennywise's appearances later on. I still give it a solid 3/4 stars. I'm hoping there's an extended version of the movie with 30+ more minutes of material on Blu-Ray. cowbeef fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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Sep 11, 2017 13:52
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The somewhat formulaic/episodic nature of the scares is more acceptable if you consider the film to more of a fantasy adventure film with a horror overlay than an out-and-out horror film.
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Sep 11, 2017 14:08
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Mike's dad was a loving standout among the adults, and I'm convinced that if the kids had come to him about IT, he probably would have helped. I wonder if this is the exact reason they left him out of the movie? This is a movie focused on the children, and every adult has something...weird or wrong with them. I think I would have hated it more if Mike's dad had the same treatment. I'd rather him be left out then see him be influenced by IT.
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Sep 11, 2017 14:15
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Dug the movie. Never read the book, only saw bits of the 1990 version when it came out. In the book does it continue on as adults? Is King writing another book? Is another movie being made?
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Sep 11, 2017 15:24
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Philthy posted:Dug the movie. Never read the book, only saw bits of the 1990 version when it came out. The kidding and adult parts of the book are intercut with each other, really effectively actually. There will be a sequel for the movie but the book will have no follow up.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:27
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Great movie. One thing I liked was how, especially in the opening scene, there were moments when it looked like one of IT's eyes was pointed directly at us, the viewers, as if IT was watching us too.
DorianGravy fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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WattsvilleBlues posted:The kidding and adult parts of the book are intercut with each other, really effectively actually. To be fair King has actually hinted at a followup to It. The Losers appear in some of his other books (most recently his JFK assassination one where Richie and Bev make a fairly significant appearance) and scattered throughout his books are hints that It has survived, things like "Pennywise Lives" graffiti. I don't know if he'll pull the switch but he did make a sequel to The Shining so...
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