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Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
Nice, almost managed a <1000 turn ascension. I can definitely see shaving off another hundred turns really easy with just smarter routing/pulls and more permed skills. Feels pretty good, especially now that I've got all the cooking skills permed and can hopefully get more than 200 turns a day really easily.

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palamedes
Mar 9, 2008

Minrad posted:

Nice, almost managed a <1000 turn ascension. I can definitely see shaving off another hundred turns really easy with just smarter routing/pulls and more permed skills. Feels pretty good, especially now that I've got all the cooking skills permed and can hopefully get more than 200 turns a day really easily.

Congrats! Try out some Accordion Thief ascensions soon, Ode to Booze/Sonata of Sneakiness/Cantata of Confrontation can really help your turngen and turn cutting. And consider sticking around until you perm Moxious Madrigal/Mojomuscular Melody/Power Ballad of the Arrowsmith. I still regret forgetting to perm the +muscle song a lot.

Sivart13
May 18, 2003
I have neglected to come up with a clever title

palamedes posted:

Congrats! Try out some Accordion Thief ascensions soon, Ode to Booze/Sonata of Sneakiness/Cantata of Confrontation can really help your turngen and turn cutting. And consider sticking around until you perm Moxious Madrigal/Mojomuscular Melody/Power Ballad of the Arrowsmith. I still regret forgetting to perm the +muscle song a lot.
I've ascended a couple of times as Accordion Thief but always have a hard time of it. The buffs are nice when added to other classes, but it's annoying to actually be an AT because the buffs are all you have.

Other classes have high-powered spells or delevelling combo chains to get through battles effectively, but the only thing I can ever do as an AT is plink away. Plus having to keep the wiki up to remember what accordions are worth stealing.

Am I missing something?

hngkong
Nov 19, 2003

Sivart13 posted:

I've ascended a couple of times as Accordion Thief but always have a hard time of it. The buffs are nice when added to other classes, but it's annoying to actually be an AT because the buffs are all you have.

Other classes have high-powered spells or delevelling combo chains to get through battles effectively, but the only thing I can ever do as an AT is plink away. Plus having to keep the wiki up to remember what accordions are worth stealing.

Am I missing something?

Moxie classes can quickly become untouchable by buffing their moxie stat real high. which makes plinking the enemies to death safe. Also make sure you're using a ranged weapon too, since those use moxie as a mainstat for damage. And you should just steal all the accordions, because even if you don't use them, you could autosell them? Or just do what I do and horde all your items hoping they might one day be useful in a world event.

Tylana
May 5, 2011

Pillbug
The passives on AT makes life a lot easier than back in the days of only 15 skills per class. There's even a couple of 1-handed accordions out there.

Now, Turtle Tamer seems to give me more grief, which is a shame as it's my original class and I am fond of it. Doesn't help scaling enemies as a Muscle Class is just it's own kind of cruelty.

sfwarlock
Aug 11, 2007

hngkong posted:

Or just do what I do and horde all your items hoping they might one day be useful in a world event.

This is the correct answer. Never sell anything in the mall unless it's currently in demand as the result of a world event, a path, a PvP season, or just for what it does. Never autosell anything unless flat broke.

palamedes
Mar 9, 2008

Sivart13 posted:

I've ascended a couple of times as Accordion Thief but always have a hard time of it. The buffs are nice when added to other classes, but it's annoying to actually be an AT because the buffs are all you have.

Other classes have high-powered spells or delevelling combo chains to get through battles effectively, but the only thing I can ever do as an AT is plink away. Plus having to keep the wiki up to remember what accordions are worth stealing.

Am I missing something?

Buffing moxie and plinking is the name of the game until you get more skills or IOTMs. +10 from Madrigal, +some% from astral gear, and anything you can scrounge up in run like Codpiece of the Goblin King, pirate fledges, etc.

Then there's Dissonant Riff and Accordion Bash to get you some deleveling and free turns in combat.

You can also perm some of those powerful spells to make your life easier. I really really like Saucestorm as an early perm, it's super efficient and it carried me through a lot of ascensions.

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
Get a metal meteoroid on the mall and craft the shoes. +15% moxie and +5 adventures a day are both fantastic for starter ascensions. +30% init is also really handy for beating various init checks.

O_Kafetzis
Feb 15, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo
I have applied to join The Protected as Croswen.

Pseudoscorpion
Jul 26, 2011


Yay, I finished my first ascension as a Pastamancer! I still have no idea what I'm doing. Restarted as a Disco Bandit, 'cause that seems fun?

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
Disco Bandit has a ton of the best passives and some of the best active skills (hello cocktailcrafting) so they're a safe bet early on

Kaboobi
Jan 5, 2005

SHAKE IT BABY!
SALT THAT LADY!

Your first runs probably be perming advanced cocktail crafting and pastamancery in either order, then advanced saucecrafting. With those three skills you can generate basically twice as many turns per day as you could before, especially if you're in hardcore. Throw Ode to Booze on top of that and you're set.

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
I really should be getting pocket wishes instead of seeing where i can get nuns to

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
Is there a monster I can wish for that will give me candy for synthesis: greed? I can't figure a word to get greed as a buff......

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

Work Friend Keven posted:

Is there a monster I can wish for that will give me candy for synthesis: greed? I can't figure a word to get greed as a buff......

I'm not entirely sure how this synthesis thing works, but you can wish to fight a Deadwood Tree, which can drop Spooky Sap, which it seems like is one of the possible ingredients for that effect. According to the calculator linked on the wiki though, you can't combine it with itself to get greed.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

You can spend 11 adventures at Lyle's to get a L.I.M.P. stock certificate now. Not sure how much good it will do, but why not?

biosterous
Feb 23, 2013




It's not like I'm really doing anything but farming meat in aftercore waiting for the actual event to start, might as well burn turns this way

Also there's a chance to get new junk items that might be incredibly useful or completely worthless later on

Jayme
Jul 16, 2008
Has anyone else here had experience with Customer Service? I've been trying to get my old account transferred to a non-dead email account, and according to them I have enough identifying info to get it changed, but the first time I tried to tell them the email I want to get it changed to (8 days ago) I heard nothing, and the second time I tried (4 days ago) I've also heard nothing. I'm wondering if I should just keep waiting, or try again, or what. I don't want to keep playing on my new account if I can play on my older much more awesome account :(

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

If you still have access to the older account, you can change the email address associated with it under Options>Account>E-mail Address.

Jayme
Jul 16, 2008

Ariong posted:

If you still have access to the older account, you can change the email address associated with it under Options>Account>E-mail Address.

That's the thing - I apparently last logged onto that account in 2011, so the password has long been lost to the mists of time - hence having to get them to change the email. I've actually been temporarily locked out of the login screen multiple times due to how many passwords I've tried.

uncertainty
Aug 8, 2011


Work Friend Keven posted:

Is there a monster I can wish for that will give me candy for synthesis: greed? I can't figure a word to get greed as a buff......

If you have a robortender you could wish for an elf (probably not worth it).

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
I usually have a free deck of every card on day 3 so I could pull an elf card I think? I don't have a robotender though because it's bad. Anyways none of this is optimal I'm just trying to do nuns with +2,000% meat in hardcore

uncertainty
Aug 8, 2011


Robortender is amazing in aftercore, double-leprachaun, fairy, candy+random items-dropping, pvp-granting, epic-drinks dropping, +whatever you fancy that day. Having a hard time coming up with a familiar that beats it for aftercore.

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
Stocking mimic, an easy 70ish lbs of Lep or fairy from tot, stocking mimic, turngen from giberer, stocking mimic, 10k each from spleen item drops by rotating spleen fams, stocking mimic,

uncertainty
Aug 8, 2011


Work Friend Keven posted:

Stocking mimic, an easy 70ish lbs of Lep or fairy from tot, stocking mimic, turngen from giberer, stocking mimic, 10k each from spleen item drops by rotating spleen fams, stocking mimic,

It is difficult to directly compare familiars since the value of different functions really depends on the zone.That said, unless I am missing some crucial things, robortender seems to mostly dominate tot, giberer, spleen familiars and in some zones the mimic.

At a mere 50 lbs, the robortender gives +100% item, +344% meat, ~300 meat in random drops per turn, plus epic drinks & pvp fights. Value of the drinks highly depends on the monster phylum but even the cheapest sell for > 1000 meat.

The only situation in which tot is better is a situation in which your familiar is very low weight and you only care about +item.

A really conservative estimate of a 60lbs robortender's value per turn in the sea is around 2k meat per turn and about 1500 at barf mountain, which puts him above the giberer and the spleen familiars.

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

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Wait you can feed it 5 drinks a day and the effects from all 5 last all day? So it can be a double strength lep / full strength fairy with candy and refuse drops all day every day? That's got to be the best option for barf mountain then at least...

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
I've mostly been exploring item-only areas because they tend to be better (till prices crash anyways) in which case stocking mimic is straight up over 1,000 mpa in actual meat as long as you can hit your %s without a fairy.

uncertainty
Aug 8, 2011


Work Friend Keven posted:

Wait you can feed it 5 drinks a day and the effects from all 5 last all day? So it can be a double strength lep / full strength fairy with candy and refuse drops all day every day? That's got to be the best option for barf mountain then at least...

Exactly, robortender is a hidden gem.


Work Friend Keven posted:

I've mostly been exploring item-only areas because they tend to be better (till prices crash anyways) in which case stocking mimic is straight up over 1,000 mpa in actual meat as long as you can hit your %s without a fairy.

I don't really meat-farm but spend quite some time in specific zones in the sea where I think robort ads about ~3k per turn for me. This is however conditional on a banishing strategy that I would not be able to keep up for an entire day or turns.

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
Yeah I think I see what you're doing... I calced what I'm doing at about 3.5k mpa (after expenses) so I think I'll spreadsheet that tomorrow. The pressure penalty stuff can be extremely efficient with meat and relevant item drops.

uncertainty
Aug 8, 2011


Work Friend Keven posted:

Yeah I think I see what you're doing... I calced what I'm doing at about 3.5k mpa (after expenses) so I think I'll spreadsheet that tomorrow. The pressure penalty stuff can be extremely efficient with meat and relevant item drops.

I usually re-start a run the same day as I ascend, or spend 1 day in aftercore so it is really whatever sells well to spend my remaining turns on in the sea. I used to go for sea cowbells but they haven't sold lately, I think a few more people jumped in on that action.

tripwood
Jul 21, 2003

"Cuno can see you're trying to shit him, but Cuno's unshittable, so fuck does Cuno care?"

Hint: He doesn't care.

Jayme posted:

That's the thing - I apparently last logged onto that account in 2011, so the password has long been lost to the mists of time - hence having to get them to change the email. I've actually been temporarily locked out of the login screen multiple times due to how many passwords I've tried.

Maybe try posting in the official forums, it can speed things up.

Jayme
Jul 16, 2008

tripwood posted:

Maybe try posting in the official forums, it can speed things up.

That's a good idea - I went ahead and sent them another message yesterday, so I'll give them a couple of days to respond before starting to harass them on the forums/in-game.

SaviourX
Sep 30, 2003

The only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, or Eartha Kitt.

I haven't finished all my Standards yet for the year and waiting around in aftercore for the event to start is getting old. Hopefully it will be worth it! likely not

sfwarlock
Aug 11, 2007

SaviourX posted:

I haven't finished all my Standards yet for the year and waiting around in aftercore for the event to start is getting old. Hopefully it will be worth it! likely not

CDMoyer posted:

Expect a variety of slow stages where you can do some stuff and everybody gets a chance to participate and maybe collect a random doodad. Collecting a bunch of stock and other assorted detritus might help you economically (I'm not guaranteeing it), but collecting more than a small handful won't matter as far as "completionism."

fits
Jan 1, 2008

Love Always,
The Captain
wishing to be new and improved (+100% init, +200% all stats) is allowed

unrelatedly, 2/502 hc standard :eyepop:

fits
Jan 1, 2008

Love Always,
The Captain

fits posted:

wishing to be new and improved (+100% init, +200% all stats) is allowed

unrelatedly, 2/502 hc standard :eyepop:



:monocle:

SaviourX
Sep 30, 2003

The only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, or Eartha Kitt.

That's a-spicy speedcension!

Maybe once someone gets to 500 they'll get some The Flash-themed loot.

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

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It's extremely wise of me to be spending 200k in wishes to save like 5 turns at the nuns.

Jet Jaguar
Feb 12, 2006

Don't touch my bags if you please, Mr Customs Man.



Hmmm. That's promising. Just stopped by LIMP.

Lyle, Traveling Infrastructure Specialist posted:

The foundation is dug and the path is all clear,
this rail-line will run soon, never you fear!

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sfwarlock
Aug 11, 2007
[I'm not really afraid, but this is taking FOREVER.]

"So sorry, old chap, for the seeming delay,
even Huggler Memorial wasn't built in a day!

We'll soon lay the track, using barely skilled labor
and ride on the rails with our brother and neighbor!"

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