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Joementum posted:Merkley endorses too. Gillibrand basically said she will Wednesday. I wonder if any of the 2020 hopefuls won't sign on.
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Joementum posted:So far, Sanders' plan has been endorsed by himself and three of the five Democratic Senators who identify as people of color. I didn't count but is there an Elizabeth Warren joke in there?
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Vox Nihili posted:I wonder if any of the 2020 hopefuls won't sign on. https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/907299015695507456
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Now I maybe be a simple shitposter from the NEK, but I'm bettin' the two of them might have some sliiiiiight disagreements over the particulars. booker literally has staffers working in bernie's office to help craft the bill lol
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Given Bernie's previous efforts to end pharmaceutical price gouging and Booker's recent attempt at cockblocking same, I'm thinking there is actually some ground for disagreement. quote:WASHINGTON, Feb. 28 – Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Bob Casey (D-Penn.) introduced legislation Tuesday to lower the skyrocketing cost of prescription drugs by allowing Americans to import safe, low-cost medicine from Canada. Reps. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.) and Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) introduced a companion bill in the House.
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zegermans posted:I would assume that the bernie bill would include some sort of price negotiation This is the one I don't get, even if Bernie's plan has price negotiation, and even if that part of the plan makes it past congressional support (which is a big IF), big pharma is getting an additional 20 million customers right off the bat, and alot more further down the line. This should be a win for them. Now the insurance companies on the other hand, your Aetna's, Cigna, IBX etc...they're the ones that are gonna fight this to the grave.
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Doesn't MfA still have copays or something? I mean it's still much better than the status quo, but if so that's kind lame. Copays are sorta like sales taxes in the sense that they're nothing but a transparent attempt to shift more of the cost to lower income consumers. There's not really any excuse for having copays instead of just raising that money through progressive taxation.
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Ytlaya posted:Doesn't MfA still have copays or something? There was a rumor that they were still in Bernie's bill, but his office got a lot of pushback over that in the last couple weeks. We'll find out Wednesday, I guess. 
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Ytlaya posted:Doesn't MfA still have copays or something? I mean it's still much better than the status quo, but if so that's kind lame. Copays are sorta like sales taxes in the sense that they're nothing but a transparent attempt to shift more of the cost to lower income consumers. There's not really any excuse for having copays instead of just raising that money through progressive taxation. I think the justification is that they want to make sure people have "skin in the game" and don't rack up unnecessary doctor visits. It's a thin one, of course
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Ytlaya posted:Doesn't MfA still have copays or something? I mean it's still much better than the status quo, but if so that's kind lame. Copays are sorta like sales taxes in the sense that they're nothing but a transparent attempt to shift more of the cost to lower income consumers. There's not really any excuse for having copays instead of just raising that money through progressive taxation. Most systems even single payer ones have some level of copay to keep the hypochondriacs from living at the hospital.
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Hrm yes, I too don't remember when Booker voted to block Bernie's amendment to allow for less expensive Canadian drug imports under the transparently lame justification that they ~*weren't up to proper safety standards*~ because I have the memory of loving goldfish.
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Joementum posted:There was a rumor that they were still in Bernie's bill, but his office got a lot of pushback over that in the last couple weeks. We'll find out Wednesday, I guess. mfw im hype for a piece of legislation
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Hrm yes, I too don't remember when Booker voted to block Bernie's amendment to allow for less expensive Canadian drug imports under the transparently lame justification that they ~*weren't up to proper safety standards*~ because I have the memory of loving goldfish. the transparent part is that there were just enough gop defections to make the amendment guaranteed to go down, the amendment was non-binding, and there was fairly clearly a deal done between gop and dems on it to trade votes for some thing that we'll never know about because that happens all the time during vote-a-ramas. the bernie re-importation bill came after the amendment
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I'm fine with reasonable co-pays, as long as it's a nominal $ figure and not a %. Most countries run it that way, I believe.
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I suspect that the cost to the system to treat hypochondriacs is less than the cost to fix issues that could have been caught earlier if patients weren't discouraged due to copays, but I don't have any empirical evidence to that effect. I'm sure I'll find something to be mad / disappointed about anyway because what's the fun of being on the left if you can't do that? 
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SKULL.GIF posted:I think the justification is that they want to make sure people have "skin in the game" and don't rack up unnecessary doctor visits. It's a thin one, of course I'm also fine with reasonably priced copays, although I'm probably an impotent centrist compared to most of the posters in this thread. In reality, I think if we do end up with a MfA system that can actually pass congress, it will have to be a bare-bones plan closer to what the poor use for medicaid. Private insurers will still have a role to play in the market providing higher end coverage, and probably have an incentive for businesses to offer them to employees to get them off the medicare rolls. Probably some major tax subsidies.
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My Medicaid copays were like $5 per doctor visit and $1 per prescription filled and that seems perfectly acceptable
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Joementum posted:So far, Sanders' plan has been endorsed by himself and three of the five Democratic Senators who identify as people of color.
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The Nastier Nate posted:This is the one I don't get, even if Bernie's plan has price negotiation, and even if that part of the plan makes it past congressional support (which is a big IF), big pharma is getting an additional 20 million customers right off the bat, and alot more further down the line. This should be a win for them.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Absolute boy Go away, Dewey! You don't want no part of this poo poo!
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Hrm yes, I too don't remember when Booker voted to block Bernie's amendment to allow for less expensive Canadian drug imports under the transparently lame justification that they ~*weren't up to proper safety standards*~ because I have the memory of loving goldfish.  Joementum posted:I suspect that the cost to the system to treat hypochondriacs is less than the cost to fix issues that could have been caught earlier if patients weren't discouraged due to copays, but I don't have any empirical evidence to that effect. 
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Vox Nihili posted:Imagine being lazier than Donald J Trump.
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Concerned Citizen posted:the transparent part is that there were just enough gop defections to make the amendment guaranteed to go down, the amendment was non-binding, and there was fairly clearly a deal done between gop and dems on it to trade votes for some thing that we'll never know about because that happens all the time during vote-a-ramas. the bernie re-importation bill came after the amendment no one gives a poo poo lanyard man
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Vox Nihili posted:Actually it's exhausting as hell and Trump worked his rear end off, unlike Hillary. Genuinely sad!!! Well Trump loved doing rallies and Hillary hated them.
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The Nastier Nate posted:This is the one I don't get, even if Bernie's plan has price negotiation, and even if that part of the plan makes it past congressional support (which is a big IF), big pharma is getting an additional 20 million customers right off the bat, and alot more further down the line. This should be a win for them. private insurers already make money on administering medicare and medicaid plans--and they actually make higher profits in those markets than they do selling individual obamacare plans. Hence aetna's ceo saying a couple months ago that it's time to consider single-payer. The difference between the two markets is that the government (feds in the case of medicare; states in the case of medicaid) controls provider & premium pricing for single-payer plans, as well as co-pays & deductibles. I'm not sure whether bernie's M4A legislation includes private-insurance administration, but even if it doesn't then it's a handy legislative alternative as an "incrementalist" approach to M4A, which private insurers would likely support.
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Willa Rogers posted:& premium pricing for single-payer plans  SKULL.GIF posted:My Medicaid copays were like $5 per doctor visit and $1 per prescription filled and that seems perfectly acceptable 
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Matt Zerella posted:no one gives a poo poo lanyard man look bucko, i worked hard to build this head canon and like hell am i gonna absorb any information that might contradict it
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Frijolero posted:https://twitter.com/JStein_Vox/status/907298968643743745 why are all these dems co sponsoring bernie's bill, don't they know he's NOT EVEN A DEMOCRAT??!?
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Plot twist: Dems unite behind Medicare for All, run on it in 2018, win a slim majority, somehow get it passed both houses, and browbeat Trump into signing it so he can "do healthcare." I mean it's one of those really unlikely M. Night Shyamalan twists but it'd still be a twist so
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Concerned Citizen posted:look bucko, i worked hard to build this head canon and like hell am i gonna absorb any information that might contradict it Cory Booker is bad. Very, very bad. And a wordy reply about backroom dealing being "transparent" doesn't change that.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:why are all these dems co sponsoring bernie's bill, don't they know he's NOT EVEN A DEMOCRAT??!? How can I believe this when you don't even include an authentication code?
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:why are all these dems co sponsoring bernie's bill, don't they know he's NOT EVEN A DEMOCRAT??!? yeah how many teeth does that gift horse have left anyway
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Harrow posted:Plot twist: Dems unite behind Medicare for All, run on it in 2018, win a slim majority, get it passed, and browbeat Trump into signing it so he can "do healthcare." maybe we can convince trump it's the democratic repeal and replace plan
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