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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yes, that's why people were willingly doing it. actually, the people making $30k a year were. if you were at that income level, and some banker dangled the impossible dream of homeownership in front of you, it'd be hard to avoid not jumping at that "opportunity"
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yes, that's why people were willingly doing it. Nah, I'm leaning more towards %100.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yes, that's why people were willingly doing it. 'Most' of those people were not anything close to the majority, or even a large minority, of homebuyers.
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Majorian posted:No, it really was pretty inaccurate and misleading. No one on the left is calling for lower safety standards - they are only pointing out that Booker's excuse for capsizing a non-binding amendment is nonsense, which it is. These medications already meet our safety standards, because they were manufactured in the U.S. originally before being imported by Canada. That is why this process is calling reimportation - because we would simply be buying back the drugs that we already sold to Canada. The text of the amendment posted:EC. 3___. DEFICIT-NEUTRAL RESERVE FUND RELATING TO LOWERING PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES FOR AMERICANS BY IMPORTING DRUGS FROM CANADA. At no point in the text is country of origin mentioned (it's not reimportation) Safety is only mentioned as "safe and affordable", which is especially vacuous, even for a non-binding amendment. One of us is certainly being "inaccurate and misleading" here. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:What is the logic of Booker voting against one reimportation amendment and for another one in the same day if he was voting against the first one to send a message? I want to double back to your points later, fetish and hellblazer, but now my battery is dying. Generally, there was enough shitflinging in the primaries that we needn't invent new slurs against each other(refer to Condiv's initial point and defense of it). Similarly, Maj, when someone specifies a group, there's no need to rush in and apply the statement to other groups that it specifically is not targeted at. These two behaviors are why these conversations turn so acrimonious.
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Xae posted:Why have more people vote against the bill than are necessary to kill it? Well, for starters, I'm sure the fact that Booker, Murray, and Casey are among the top ten recipients of money from the pharmaceutical industry, and their vote on this bill, is purely coincidental.
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Sep 11, 2017 21:13
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Even the most financially-illiterate person should probably have known that something was up when they were denied by every bank for any traditional mortgage, but offered a $425,000 mortgage with 3% down on a $30,000 a year salary. why would you assume they ever got denied? a whole lot of people were first targeted for homeownership during the bubble, they didn't get denied earlier. then there's the scores of people who were straight-up scammed, like people thinking they were getting a fixed rate mortgage only to find later that they were sitting on an adjustable-rate one. and the reason NINJA mortgages were approved is because they made everyone a shitload of money. the people who got them were expecting to flip the house in the short term, the banks who signed them passed them off to the financial industry, the financial industry figured out that AIG was offering CDS protection on them at a price that literally made them money just for sitting on the instruments, AIG figured out that they could make millions betting on MBS. the whole thing was a clusterfuck on all levels, and just about the only people who are genuinely not to blame are low-income people who got got with offers of mortgages at great rates without ever being told what was actually going on.
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That's why I go 100% on the financial industry too. Plenty of people were outright lied to and scammed on these loans, and would have understood if they got declined. It's not on the borrower to perform due diligence on the loan. It's on the lender, which is why they can charge interest, as they assume the risk. Saying "well borrowers should have known better" is pure victim blaming poo poo.
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Sep 11, 2017 21:15
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Paracaidas posted:At no point in the text is country of origin mentioned (it's not reimportation) Safety is only mentioned as "safe and affordable", which is especially vacuous, even for a non-binding amendment. One of us is certainly being "inaccurate and misleading" here. Yes, it's still you. The notion that Booker was protecting anyone but his major donors from a lack of safety provisions in a non-binding amendment is pretty absurd. The guy's bought-and-sold for.
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Sep 11, 2017 21:17
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Hellblazer187 posted:There's a strain of leftism that wants to believe "no war but the class war," and in so doing they do not give proper attention to issues of racial equality. That is a far, far cry from "calling minimum wage increases racist." Your statement being true does not preclude my statement from being true. Another way of putting it: There's a strain of center leftism that wants to believe "no war but the race war" and in doing so they do not give proper attention to issues of economic equality. This does not mean you're one of them.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Your statement being true does not preclude my statement from being true. I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who focuses on race issues but not class especially since they are very intertwined.
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7c Nickel posted:Even up in Georgia, Irma is no joke. It seems like the person taking this picture was more fixated on the missing mailbox than the huge tree that was ripped in half in front of an elementary school.
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Sep 11, 2017 21:31
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Ralepozozaxe posted:It seems like the person taking this picture was more fixated on the missing mailbox than the huge tree that was ripped in half in front of an elementary school. A tree falling over is nature. Mailbox theft is a federal crime.
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socialsecurity posted:I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who focuses on race issues but not class especially since they are very intertwined. Really? That was a defining characteristic of the Clinton '16 campaign. (which was ironically a 180 from her "white working class" focus in 2008)
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socialsecurity posted:I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who focuses on race issues but not class especially since they are very intertwined. There was a gently caress ton of "we should never bother with all these things to help poor people until we have solved racism", even on SA, during the primary. Strangely none of those people could actually come up with ways to magically fix racism, only that it had to somehow be done before we could do anything at all about "class issues".
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Majorian posted:Really? That was a defining characteristic of the Clinton '16 campaign. (which was ironically a 180 from her "white working class" focus in 2008) Are you seriously saying that the Clinton campaign had 0 plans for the economy or class issues?
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Hoo boy. Y'all are trying to get USPOL killed quickly with your leakage.
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Push El Burrito posted:A tree falling over is nature. if the hurricane is shot enough do you think it could be arrested?
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socialsecurity posted:Are you seriously saying that the Clinton campaign had 0 plans for the economy or class issues? No, but she and her campaign didn't run on these issues, either. Her default answer to questions about economic justice was, "Check my webpage." And it's one thing to back a strategy that ultimately fails; I can pretty readily forgive someone who admits that they backed the wrong horse. But the fact that so many of her big-time fans, like Joy Ann Reid, still insist that the Democrats need to jettison the working class in favor of city-dwellers in order to win elections, is pretty galling.
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7c Nickel posted:Even up in Georgia, Irma is no joke. How'd the noodles turn out
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This past week and today have had a wave of potential congressional retirements.
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Senator Mitt Romney and Senator Kid Rock will be a thing in 2018.
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It's not surprising that so many old-school Republicans are seeking to get out of Dodge. Anyone not firmly aligned with the Trump wing faces a Morton's Fork come the next general election, either angry primary voters cast them out of the party, or they face an uphill battle in the general.
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oh, hey, another thread full of Majoran and Condiv telling us why Bernie Was Right And Would Have Won Hooray
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skeleton warrior posted:oh, hey, another thread full of Majoran and Condiv telling us why Bernie Was Right And Would Have Won I wish we could lock Hillary and Bernie in a sound-proof room. Forever. And then get on with the very hard task of trying to elect Dems while shifting the overton window to the left.
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skeleton warrior posted:oh, hey, another thread full of Majoran and Condiv telling us why Bernie Was Right And Would Have Won actually i haven't mentioned bernie at all till this post at least
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Condiv posted:actually i haven't mentioned bernie at all Good point, all of your posts have been "Hillary was wrong and you should have voted for someone else but not Donald Trump or Gary Johnson or Jill Stein but I don't know who that other person would be I guess you should figure it out yourself"
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skeleton warrior posted:Good point, all of your posts have been "Hillary was wrong and you should have voted for someone else but not Donald Trump or Gary Johnson or Jill Stein but I don't know who that other person would be I guess you should figure it out yourself" sorry, none of that either you're actually the one bringing that poo poo in here congratulations?
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Pembroke Fuse posted:I wish we could lock Hillary and Bernie in a sound-proof room. Forever. And then get on with the very hard task of trying to elect Dems while shifting the overton window to the left. Locking Bernie up wouldn't solve anything. It's mostly those using him as a club to attack That Witch Hillary, Destroyer of Leftist Hope.
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Taerkar posted:Locking Bernie up wouldn't solve anything. It's mostly those using him as a club to attack That Witch Hillary, Destroyer of Leftist Hope. she's done enough to attack herself recently imo
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Taerkar posted:Locking Bernie up wouldn't solve anything. It's mostly those using him as a club to attack That Witch Hillary, Destroyer of Leftist Hope. Hillary and Bernie are at this point both seriously divisive well-poisoners who need to bow out of the lime-light and put their energy into behind-the-scenes work. I've seen enough arguments on Twitter and dKos that amount to cult of personality poo poo (Hillary/Bernie fanfiction, each side accusing the other of being corporate/Russian shills, etc, etc).
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Hillary and Bernie are at this point both seriously divisive well-poisoners who need to bow out of the lime-light and put their energy into behind-the-scenes work. I've seen enough arguments on Twitter and dKos that amount to cult of personality poo poo (Hillary/Bernie fanfiction, each side accusing the other of being corporate/Russian shills, etc, etc). According to the very reputable supermarket checkout tabloids, Hillary has admitted to being the mastermind behind the whole Russia thing!
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7c Nickel posted:Even up in Georgia, Irma is no joke. I can't unsee it. 
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At this point I hope whoever runs to the left of center in the next election makes a clean break from clinton and sanders. Theres plenty of less controversal and tribalism inducing names to signal what power bloc you are courting with out drawing the infighting out. More importantly there are a lot more younger politicians to signal with. Like Keith Ellison, who signals left and can nip some poc concerns too. Young dems, socialists, and in general not evil nazis are the future. Lets build them up.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:At this point I hope whoever runs to the left of center in the next election makes a clean break from clinton and sanders. Theres plenty of less controversal and tribalism inducing names to signal what power bloc you are courting with out drawing the infighting out. More importantly there are a lot more younger politicians to signal with. You really think this country is ready to elect a Muslim president in Ellison? I mean, I think we can do a lot, but I don't think that we're there yet.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Hillary and Bernie are at this point both seriously divisive well-poisoners who need to bow out of the lime-light and put their energy into behind-the-scenes work. "both sides! both sides!" i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into an msnbc anchor
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skeleton warrior posted:oh, hey, another thread full of Majoran and Condiv telling us why Bernie Was Right And Would Have Won I too remember when Bernie Sanders wrote a memoir after the election that blamed his loss on everyone but himself and his campaign advisors. Clearly it's the left-Dems that are the problem.
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Teddybear posted:You really think this country is ready to elect a Muslim president in Ellison? I mean, I think we can do a lot, but I don't think that we're there yet. For the people that'd care about a Muslim president there already has been one.
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