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Avirosb posted:gently caress, and here I went and voted for SP and everything. First time voter too. 
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Alhazred posted:The problem with that line of thinking is that it fucks over anyone that isn't wealthy, white and male. Short term, yeah probably, but it's not like AP have given any signals of actually improving matters much. AP is the NATO/US warmongering bastion. The talk about humane treatment of refugees back when the crisis started is long gone. AP is in my eyes as guilty of eroding the welfare state and privatizing Norway as the right is, they're just more circuitous about it. It looks like they came down on a "no" to working with KrF this time, but AP sources said they were looking at ditching SV in favor of KrF. Seeing how things are going I don't doubt AP would do it if they could get away with it, and that would in many ways be AP loving over women, seeing as KrF has a history of prioritizing anti-woman policies when it comes time to make demands of their host party.
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Biomute posted:Short term, yeah probably, but it's not like AP have given any signals of actually improving matters much. AP is the NATO/US warmongering bastion. The talk about humane treatment of refugees back when the crisis started is long gone. AP is in my eyes as guilty of eroding the welfare state and privatizing Norway as the right is, they're just more circuitous about it. It looks like they came down on a "no" to working with KrF this time, but AP sources said they were looking at ditching SV in favor of KrF. Seeing how things are going I don't doubt AP would do it if they could get away with it, and that would in many ways be AP loving over women, seeing as KrF has a history of prioritizing anti-woman policies when it comes time to make demands of their host party. As wikipedia puts it: quote:During the first Stoltenberg government, the party's policies were inspired by Tony Blair's New Labour and saw the most widespread privatization by any Norwegian government to that date.[11] The party has frequently been described as increasingly neoliberal since the 1980s, both by political scientists and opponents on the left.[12] Tony loving Blair. AP needs a UK Labour style shakeup to put them back where they belong, or Norwegian politics are going to continue moving to the right.
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Is the OP of this thread still a reasonable overview of Norwegian politics? I'm watching the election with a friend tonight and want to have at least a vague idea of what's going on. Also I discovered today that you can't buy alcohol in shops here on election day. What the hell is wrong with this country and which party will fix it?
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big scary monsters posted:Is the OP of this thread still a reasonable overview of Norwegian politics? I'm watching the election with a friend tonight and want to have at least a vague idea of what's going on. The biggest difference is that Listhaug is now the de facto leader of FrP. quote:Also I discovered today that you can't buy alcohol in shops here on election day.
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big scary monsters posted:Is the OP of this thread still a reasonable overview of Norwegian politics? I'm watching the election with a friend tonight and want to have at least a vague idea of what's going on. I got a Grisette from a local craft beer store (Oslo) so dunno what you're talking about.
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Just go to your local pub and drink while watching dreams get crushed tbqh
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Alhazred posted:Depending on where you live that's no longer true. MacPac posted:Just go to your local pub and drink while watching dreams get crushed tbqh
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Sep 11, 2017 19:56
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First prognosis; Right side in the lead. This looks good. The insane imbeciles in MDG is under "sperregrensen". Even better, RED under "sperregrensen" Get cucked commies!
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Get cucked, commies!
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Svartvit posted:Get cucked, commies! Its okay to cry.
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Heinz Hynkel posted:First prognosis; Right side in the lead. This looks good. The insane imbeciles in MDG is under "sperregrensen". Even better, RED under "sperregrensen" Get cucked commies! A: why would you not just type Rødt B: lol nobody thought Rødt would end up over sperregrensen at all I'm a bit disappointed in SV's results so far even if I didn't vote for them though
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Things are shifting more than I thought they would. Right now _both_ Venstre and KRF are on the brink. It went from 80-89 to 83-86. If both of those parties go under thats a rather big upset, if nothing else. Rødt made some headway. Personally I had hope that they would get a surprising boost and get over the limit, but at the very least it looks like we will get Bjørnie in. SV did better than I thought they would. They're such a poo poo party. Lysbakken has been getting incredibly good press coverage though (Strategy to bleed AP and moderate voters who would otherwise vote Rødt?). e: 84-85 thotsky fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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SV should have a solid base on the sole platform of 'we're left of AP but not scary commies' regardless of how milquetoast its leader or poor its campaign might be, assuming people leave AP for its neo-liberal bullshit and general disastercampaign. Of course for all the justified discussion of failure for AP (assuming this holds) they're still the biggest party in Norway and have plenty of retention even with slight bleed-off, the ideal flood of voters to other parties hasn't thoroughly materialized.
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It will take some time before the right-wing victory is secured but it will happen. Ap has done an awful election. What where they thinking when they chose to use Gaaaar Støre instead of Tadjik? She got charm and does not invest in hedge-founds, nuclear weapons research, employ under payed east-eu workers AND she is not born with a nazi silver spoon in her arse. The labor party is not labor now, they are just the party.
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Insurrectionist posted:A: why would you not just type Rødt I don't even think Rødt were expecting to get over. Ambivalent about Miljøpartiet not getting in.
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NOW on one hand, I'm disappointed Erna & Kompani are still in for another four years of this poo poo. On the other hand, my chances of securing dual citizenship now that there's a stable borgerlig government just shot up 1000%. Whatever the shitheels in the Storting can do, it won't be as bad as what's going on in Westminster.
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Vlex posted:I don't even think Rødt were expecting to get over. They were probably expecting to get over 3.0% though  E: And I would probably consider Listhaug even more mental than Theresa May tbh
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Sorry Norway, I guess it must be kinda bad. The last time Heinz Hynke was this happy, it was because a brown person finally did a terrorist thing in Scandinavia I think. Also, don't shot wolves. Read about the Yellowstone wolf miracle instead.
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Guess AP kind of hosed this one up, huh. Results from Andøy are pretty drat crazy. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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Visited the bar that's hosting SV in Tromsø, pretty good atmosphere despite the results. Now in the Venstre bar, there were about 6 people before we arrived lol, including the local candidate. So is this a bad result for the left? Looks like although the left coalition is going to lose all parties except AP have gained, and every right party has lost votes & seats overall. I don't know enough historical context to know if this is expected or a devastating defeat.
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Sep 11, 2017 22:38
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Venstre hanging on just barely. Glad my vote was not wasted like those of who you voted for the Greens or (possibly) Red.
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big scary monsters posted:Visited the bar that's hosting SV in Tromsø, pretty good atmosphere despite the results. Now in the Venstre bar, there were about 6 people before we arrived lol, including the local candidate. In historical context, this is absolutely catastrophic for AP
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big scary monsters posted:Visited the bar that's hosting SV in Tromsø, pretty good atmosphere despite the results. Now in the Venstre bar, there were about 6 people before we arrived lol, including the local candidate. It is a devastating defeat. Høyre and Frp has done a very good election. Mostly parties like Frp should suffer from 4 years with little of their political goals meet. That did not happen. AP has got a horrid result. It does not help that the more radical left (not sure we can even call AP a leftist party anymore) leeched off their voters. The right got most of the votes and that is the end of it. What does it matter if SV did a great election when they end up with zero power? MDG did worse than last time and the party leader now has to find a real job :-D It is not over yet but the numbers seems to point in the right direction.
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Heinz Hynkel posted:MDG did worse than last time and the party leader now has to find a real job :-D By what metric? They're up 0.4% and keeping the same amount of MPs
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Sorry Norway, I guess it must be kinda bad. The last time Heinz Hynke was this happy, it was because a brown person finally did a terrorist thing in Scandinavia I think. I have never been happy about terror attacks. And while I don't support shooting wolves, we got another apex predator to take care of the elks in Norway.
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TheRat posted:By what metric? They're up 0.4% and keeping the same amount of MPs Seems you are right. 0.3 % now. It changes all the time.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Also, don't shot wolves. Read about the Yellowstone wolf miracle instead. That is absolutely not transmissible to the situation in Norway.
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Crossing my fingers that Venstre goes under the limit. It's amazing that they're not decidedly under, considering they've been guaranteeing FrP for 4 years and broken so many of their promises. I mean, I'm not surprised that their espoused values (and that of their votes) are merely skin deep, but it is depressing to see it writ large like this.
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lol I just met some young H campaigners and young Tories look like young Tories in every country apparently. There must be a breeding farm somewhere.
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Mordekai posted:That is absolutely not transmissible to the situation in Norway. I know, it's a story about how wolves are cool and good though. Don't shoot wolves. Heinz Hynkel posted:I have never been happy about terror attacks. Shut the gently caress up and gently caress off you stupid, racist, piece of poo poo.
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Baudolino posted:Venstre hanging on just barely. Glad my vote was not wasted like those of who you voted for the Greens or (possibly) Red. You voted for four more years of Sylvi, you're just as bad as HH.
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I like how the idea here is that the left lost because they were not ideologically pure enough and therefore didn't attract voters and therefore the solution must be to be even more ideologically pure. Which seems like an odd idea in contrast to concept of actually asking the voters what they want. The latter is obviously working (see the rise of nationalist parties) and it is interesting to see how the left apparently have lost the touch of appealing to the common man. On the other hand, this focus on ideological purity is a typical sign of extremist organisations, especially when it goes bad and one sees the exact same behaviour among other political extremes like nationalists. SD is as an example not seen as an ideological pure party among Swedish nationalists. This is also the cause why the edges of the political spectra are full of small organisations whose worst enemy is those that belong on the same edge. There is a reason why S in Sweden spent most of the 20th century keeping the left down and one could say the start of their fall began when they stopped doing that in the 70s.
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Yeah, it's not like the social democrats took a rightward shift and started huffing neoliberal hegemony. They became too left with Palme, Persson & Co 
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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I like how Cardiac apparently has been living under a rock for the past decades and has completely missed how every single one of these supposedly pragmatic and non-ideological Labour parties in Europe has either bled massive amounts of voters or even collapsed completely, and the places where Labour parties have been making gains lately are the UK under crusty old jam socialist Corbyn and Portugal where they tacked massively to the left and are ruling with the support of literal communists.
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Cerebral Bore posted:I like how Cardiac apparently has been living under a rock for the past decades and has completely missed how every single one of these supposedly pragmatic and non-ideological Labour parties in Europe has either bled massive amounts of voters or even collapsed completely, and the places where Labour parties have been making gains lately are the UK under crusty old jam socialist Corbyn and Portugal where they tacked massively to the left and are ruling with the support of literal communists. It's inconvenient for his ideology.
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Cardiac posted:
Yes; more immigration and more taxes to pay for it does not draw voters. How strange. And it does not help that the extreme left, in Norway's case, has split into two mini parties with zero power instead of gathering into a bigger nuthouse that may have won the election for the left. Its wonderful.
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Neeksy posted:It's inconvenient for his ideology. An Inconvenient Truth: Corbachov Ed
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