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Rick posted:According to the piece he does give little kids balls. I mean unless they're just trying to make him look good. That's always his excuse whenever he gets caught plowing over some 8-year old for a batting practice ball. I've mentioned it before but the guy crashed into my girlfriend in the bleachers years ago going for a batting practice homer. It was him and a couple of little kids going for these balls before the game and the kids were the one's with enough common sense not to dive into other people to catch these balls. He's pathetic and I hope he leans too far over a railing one day.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:17
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Sep 11, 2017 16:22
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Is Rembert Browne one of the guys who was supposed to be great at Grantland? His new Kaepernick piece was soooooooo long and meandering that I skimmed the entire back end.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:55
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Daunte Vicknabb posted:Is Rembert Browne one of the guys who was supposed to be great at Grantland? His new Kaepernick piece was soooooooo long and meandering that I skimmed the entire back end. He was a Grantland guy but opinions on him are mixed. I generally liked him but didn't read much longform of his. At least one poster in this thread can't stand him.
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Sep 12, 2017 23:03
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Daunte Vicknabb posted:Is Rembert Browne one of the guys who was supposed to be great at Grantland? His new Kaepernick piece was soooooooo long and meandering that I skimmed the entire back end. I always liked Rembert but longform stuff is not really anything I think I'd wanna read from him.
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Sep 13, 2017 01:16
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He's a good writer but could maybe use an editor occasionally. Like his Ferguson piece was mostly very good but also at least like 20% about him trying to charge his phone
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Sep 13, 2017 01:23
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This isn't sports, but Jonathan Abrams from Grantland is writing a full length Oral History of the Wire that comes out in February.
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Sep 13, 2017 01:27
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The best Rembert piece is the one about Nicki Minaj at a bar mitzvah
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Sep 13, 2017 01:30
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I like the one where he went on a road trip but I honestly cannot remember anything else he's written
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Sep 13, 2017 01:34
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sportsgenius86 posted:This isn't sports, but Jonathan Abrams from Grantland is writing a full length Oral History of the Wire that comes out in February. Simmons is going to freak the gently caress out
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Sep 13, 2017 01:40
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sportsgenius86 posted:This isn't sports, but Jonathan Abrams from Grantland is writing a full length Oral History of the Wire that comes out in February. Abrams owns but like, do we really need an oral history for The Wire? The show isn't even 10 years old and everything surrounding it seemed candid enough to not warrant one. Hopefully I'm wrong though.
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Sep 13, 2017 02:22
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Sep 13, 2017 02:22
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euphronius posted:He's writing an oral history ? It's when someone records vocal interviews with people and then writes down the quotes. A history as told in speech, but written down.
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Sep 13, 2017 02:31
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Akileese posted:Abrams owns but like, do we really need an oral history for The Wire? The show isn't even 10 years old and everything surrounding it seemed candid enough to not warrant one. Hopefully I'm wrong though. It's 15 years old. I'm assuming you mean 10 years gone.
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Sep 13, 2017 02:37
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Pitch: an oral history of Homicide life on the street being better than the wire
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Sep 13, 2017 02:38
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hot take: oral histories are dumb and 90% of the time it would be better if the reporter just wrote an article
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Sep 13, 2017 02:39
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Henchman of Santa posted:It's 15 years old. I'm assuming you mean 10 years gone. Yeah my bad. I still don't know if it warrants an oral history though. There's enough interviews with the cast, crew, and creators where I feel like it's not really necessary.
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Sep 13, 2017 02:41
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R.D. Mangles posted:hot take: oral histories are dumb and 90% of the time it would be better if the reporter just wrote an article If the person who does them sucks at them yes. James Andrew Miller has mastered it and is extremely good at piecing them together to tell a coherent story. I have faith in Abrams on this. I also think part of this new book goes in depth about how it changed tv and the impact it has had but I don't know for sure. Oral Histories work better as longer books than as magazine articles or web content because it's hard to tell a fascinating story with nothing but quotes when you have a limited word count. They always come off as a string of random quotes rapidly trying to explain something. If you haven't read Live From New York or These Guys Have All The Fun, they're both very good. Also, Miller is taking his oral history work to podcast form and has a new podcast called Origins. The first set is 5 one hour eps on Curb Your Enthusiasm.
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Sep 13, 2017 02:46
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R.D. Mangles posted:hot take: oral histories are dumb and 90% of the time it would be better if the reporter just wrote an article Yeah this. They always read so disjointed and have no flow. Either write an article or make a little video story.
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Sep 13, 2017 02:59
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Without oral histories we would never know about the time Kevin Garnett headbutted a hole in a wall because he was so psyched up from a Making the Band episode
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Henchman of Santa posted:Without oral histories we would never know about the time Kevin Garnett headbutted a hole in a wall because he was so psyched up from a Making the Band episode Oral histories are fine for things like this, or lesser known stuff. A show as big as the loving Wire does not need an oral history.
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Sep 13, 2017 03:34
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Oral histories, as a form, have a lot to recommend them. But most of them time when I read one I get the sense that the writer is using it as a shortcut - just dumping the contents of their interview notebooks verbatim, sorting them into a rough order, and heading out early for happy hour.
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Sep 13, 2017 03:37
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DJExile posted:Oral histories are fine for things like this, or lesser known stuff.
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Sep 13, 2017 03:38
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An oral history of The Wire seems like it'd work fine, David Simon can talk for days and that gives you the spine to hang a bunch of jokes and anecdotes on. Nothing's worse than a poorly written or forced one, though
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Sep 13, 2017 04:26
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Crazy Ted posted:How about an oral history of Cop Rock http://tv.avclub.com/an-oral-history-of-cop-rock-tv-s-first-and-last-musica-1798248164 It's a pretty fun read, I feel.
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Sep 13, 2017 04:49
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Loose Balls is a goddamn masterwork
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Sep 13, 2017 05:42
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chunkles posted:Loose Balls is a goddamn masterwork Cannot stress this enough. It's a phenomenal book.
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Sep 13, 2017 06:03
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chunkles posted:Loose Balls is a goddamn masterwork Saucer Crab posted:http://tv.avclub.com/an-oral-history-of-cop-rock-tv-s-first-and-last-musica-1798248164  I didn't know one was actually done.
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Sep 13, 2017 06:07
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R.D. Mangles posted:hot take: oral histories are dumb and 90% of the time it would be better if the reporter just wrote an article Counterpoint: https://www.twinkietown.com/2013/1/4/3833034/an-oral-history-of-nick-punto-sliding-headfirst-into-first-base This, admittedly, is very well written regardless, but I don't think it would work without the oral history format.
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Sep 13, 2017 06:42
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DO you guys not remember the NBA Jam oral history? It was the best. https://www.si.com/longform/2017/nba-jam-oral-history/index.html
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Sep 13, 2017 13:59
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If we're doing this, the oral history of the Malice at the Palace is pretty much the definitive narrative: http://grantland.com/features/an-oral-history-malice-palace/
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Sep 13, 2017 14:06
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What is the loving deal with sports writers and The Wire? I get it, 10/10 show GOAT etc, but literally no other kind of journalism goes hog wild on the wires wild hog like sports journalism. Hell not even entertainment journalism brings it up except in reference to new HBO shows in the works. There are like 2 instances of sport in the whole show, some pickup ball and Cutty's boxing gym that's it. I realize it's one of the only shows to actually communicate a true feeling urban environment and that resonates with a lot of black athletes but that resonates with all POC that grew up in big cities. Or is this just Bill Simmons fuckin mealy mouthed inspiration?
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Lockback posted:If we're doing this, the oral history of the Malice at the Palace is pretty much the definitive narrative: Does it have to be a real oral history to count? Because every couple of years I read Spencer Hall's thing about when the Big 12 almost died again.
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Sep 13, 2017 14:44
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SI has a very good one about That weird rear end trip WCW took to North Korea in 1995
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Sep 13, 2017 14:47
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Captain Internet posted:What is the loving deal with sports writers and The Wire? Nah man, McNulty and Bunk go to an Orioles game with his kid and see his ex-wife sitting behind home plate with her new boyfriend. I think there's another Orioles game maybe in the season about the school district? Could be wrong about that one. Either way, I completely agree. It is one of the greatest shows of all time, but holy hell with how much more attention it gets, it is not that much better than like, the Sopranos or Breaking Bad. People talked about the Sopranos a lot when it was on, and nobody talked about the Wire when it was on. Now nobody talks about the Sopranos anymore and everybody talks about the Wire. Speaking of which, not sports related but the Wire and Sopranos related: Sean O'Neal at The A.V. Club had a great article on Monday about HBO dramas in the aftermath of 9/11
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Sep 13, 2017 15:06
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Lefty political journalists love to talk about the Sopranos
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Sep 13, 2017 15:42
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FMguru posted:Oral histories, as a form, have a lot to recommend them. But most of them time when I read one I get the sense that the writer is using it as a shortcut - just dumping the contents of their interview notebooks verbatim, sorting them into a rough order, and heading out early for happy hour. Yep, they usually strike me as either half-assed or unnecessary (e.g. "This thing doesn't actually merit a story, so let's just dump a bunch of quotes and call it a day!"). I hate oral histories and resent how much more common they've become.
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A decent read about ESPN's new sportscenter, the six. https://www.theringer.com/2017/9/13/16299136/jemele-hill-espn-michael-smith-sportscenter-the-six
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