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[quote="“CLAM DOWN”" post="“476369242”"] Lmao looks like the people who said you’re just a lovely troll or an Amazon shill were right, gently caress off. [/quote] I think aws is dogshit to be honest, at least compared to GCP(which is stupid in other ways). Azure is a poo poo show worse then the other two. The cloud isn’t a panacea and in a lot of places makes no sense, but dismissing it out of hand and conflating that running aws with what be fundamental changes in how we janitor computers seems shortsighted. You are just a cranky bastard who has been lovely all day. If you want to make a good faith argument then Im sorry but you posting history hasn’t bore that out.
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Punkbob posted:I think aws is dogshit to be honest, at least compared to GCP(which is stupid in other ways). Azure is a poo poo show worse then the other two. The cloud isn’t a panacea and in a lot of places makes no sense, but dismissing it out of hand and conflating that running aws with what be fundamental changes in how we janitor computers seems shortsighted. anthonypants posted:I don't know why anyone else is bothering, we could all be quoting your posts and replying with "lol" and it would be just as effective. lol e: oh my god it's true, you're basically the cloud version of DAF
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Sep 13, 2017 22:03
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He's saying a lot of things that are correct, though in a very combative tone. DaF was obnoxious and also wrong, mostly.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:09
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IT thread is angry today.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:13
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I think we're not asking the right questions here such as: Is Punkbob a brony/furry yes or no? Sprechensiesexy fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Sep 13, 2017 22:20
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big money big clit posted:He's saying a lot of things that are correct, though in a very combative tone. DaF was obnoxious and also wrong, mostly. As much as I would like to make fun of DAF he wasn't mostly wrong. He was just batshit crazy viewpoints of work/life balance. (Not that he wasn't wrong from time to time)
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Sep 13, 2017 22:21
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:IT thread is angry today. drat loving straight. I even sent a snarky email to a user who was all "how can I know you did my request if I only get an email that says my request was closed?" (this person has been here for years, and literally 100 tickets created with them as the client, meaning they've gotten the closed email 100 times) Bitch you sent the request in personally, and if you didn't know what "closed" meant, why are we only hearing about it 2 weeks later?
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Sep 13, 2017 22:22
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Sickening posted:As much as I would like to make fun of DAF he wasn't mostly wrong. He was just batshit crazy viewpoints of work/life balance. (Not that he wasn't wrong from time to time) Agreed, he was technically correct but one of those toxic co-workers.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:27
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Maybe it's having a kid or getting older or what but I can't imagine giving any sort of a crap how someone chooses to post, certainly not enough to discuss it. Also can I just point out that my avatar was purchased by DAF and he went to school with a member of my own family and I still think about him less than some of you do? Might be time to move on from a guy posting about working a lot like 3 years ago.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:27
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If you guys say his name too much you're going to summon his ghost.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:28
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Maybe it's having a kid or getting older or what but I can't imagine giving any sort of a crap how someone chooses to post, certainly not enough to discuss it. Not empty quoting.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:35
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Sickening posted:As much as I would like to make fun of DAF he wasn't mostly wrong. He was just batshit crazy viewpoints of work/life balance. (Not that he wasn't wrong from time to time) He vastly overestimated his knowledge and it lead to a lot of posts where he spoke beyond his comfort level about things he didn't really know.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:37
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Punkbob posted:Can you only buy software from Canadian companies? What about peering or transit? If your argument is that you can only use Canadian stuff I hope you audit the hell out of all the software you use. Wouldn’t want someone to slip in a backdoor. The whole data stays in canada thing is limited to data-at-rest, I'm pretty sure. I remember having a conversation with some important guy at a post secondary. Universities/colleges have the requirement of 'hey don't store student info in the US', but if BGP does something wacky like route traffic from Edmonton to Toronto through Chicago, it's okay.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:39
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BGP written by the NSA confirmed.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:39
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Punkbob posted:I think aws is dogshit to be honest, at least compared to GCP(which is stupid in other ways). Azure is a poo poo show worse then the other two. This comment after all your cloud evangelizing made me bust out with a big fat lol
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Sep 13, 2017 22:41
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Look I put a NAS in my basement so now I am the cloud. Give me your bits.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:42
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The Fool posted:This comment after all your cloud evangelizing made me bust out with a big fat lol I don’t get hung up on the cloud as much as you all do. The win for me is that even dogshit azure is light years ahead of bespoke unmanaged rhel installs on site. If openshift was magical and not a nightmare I’d look at running that if cost and availability made sense. But running your own cloud and having your own people on staff requires a scale that most people don’t have or want to pay for. By going with the cloud providers I get an incredible tool set to do what I need to do. If you run VMs now and also say the cloud is stupid In general then I think you are crazy. I also would think that you are gonna be caught unawares like exchange engineers were when o365 dropped. The features that the cloud provides are 100x better then what onsite VMware provides and I don’t need to spend my time janitoring individual luns.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:56
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Punkbob posted:I don’t get hung up on the cloud as much as you all do. The win for me is that even dogshit azure is light years ahead of bespoke unmanaged rhel installs on site.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:58
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Punkbob posted:I don’t get hung up on the cloud as much as you all do. The win for me is that even dogshit azure is light years ahead of bespoke unmanaged rhel installs on site. I think you need to spend a little less time huffing your own farts and realize that there is a big ol' IT world out there. Read your posts over the past few pages and then read Vulture Culture's.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:01
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Methanar posted:The whole data stays in canada thing is limited to data-at-rest, I'm pretty sure. This is true. The College I work at is in the process of migrating email to O365 and enabling OneDrive for users because Microsoft now guarantees all the data will be stored in Canada. It also helps that Microsoft is providing their cloud services for free to schools.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:04
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Punkbob posted:The features that the cloud provides are 100x better then what onsite VMware provides and I don’t need to spend my time janitoring individual luns. The features of VMware and public cloud are somewhat orthogonal. They aren't really directly comparable. VMware is good for pets, AWS isn't.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:05
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Punkbob posted:I don’t get hung up on the cloud as much as you all do. The win for me is that even dogshit azure is light years ahead of bespoke unmanaged rhel installs on site. You don't get why I think it's funny. There are other cloud evangelists posting here, including an aws employee, and they aren't even close to being as insufferable as you.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:05
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The Iron Rose posted:Actually straight up something my partner had to deal with the other day. At least for financial companies, Canadian law on the matter is that you straight up have to store all of your data in Canada. Not sure if it's only with Canadian firms, but it might well be. Basically this. Everything has to be stored in Canada. As stated, this makes some things a massive pain. Why use computers when these clinics/lawyers can all just keep using paper like they always have 
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Sep 13, 2017 23:07
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big money big clit posted:[...] a lot of posts where he spoke beyond his comfort level about things he didn't really know. online_discusions.txt
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Sep 13, 2017 23:16
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I bet equifax used the cloud
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Sep 13, 2017 23:22
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The Verizon one, with its two-day maintenance period.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:22
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big money big clit posted:The features of VMware and public cloud are somewhat orthogonal. They aren't really directly comparable. VMware is good for pets, AWS isn't. How is one IaaS Virt. solution better for pets than the other? As far as I'm concerned a host is a host regardless of if you own the host in your datacenter or just hosted in Amazons.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:48
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Tab8715 posted:How is one IaaS Virt. solution better for pets than the other? You generally control the host in VMware. Not happening in aws. That’s how I took it.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:53
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If the hardware that your VMware VM is running on fucks itself up, your VM will boot up somewhere else. In AWS/Azure/Google Cloud you will wake up to a notification unless you've done the work yourself to handle deployment of a new VM, loading a configuration etc.
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Tab8715 posted:How is one IaaS Virt. solution better for pets than the other? Well, one example is that in AWS you used to have to jump through a bunch of hoops to extend a drive. This was due to limitations in XenServer. You had to shut down an instance, take a snapshot of the EBS volume, then re-deploy the volume with a larger size from the snapshot, then start the instance. You can do it live now, thanks to XenServer enhancements, but it was like that for quite a while. Want access to a console? Your IaaS choice may mean you don't get access. To say that one IaaS platform is the same as another is over-simplifying things, IMO. It's like saying VMware, Hyper-V, and XenServer are the same. Not to mention all the other choices out there. They're not the same and there are some fairly significant differences.
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Sep 14, 2017 00:00
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Kvm/qemu.
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Tab8715 posted:How is one IaaS Virt. solution better for pets than the other? VMware clustering is designed foremost with availability of individual VMs as the primary focus. AWS makes no guarantees about individual instance availability and will bring down hosts and their associates instances for a number of reasons. The instances must be stopped and restarted on another host. Auto-recovery may or may not be supported depending on the instance type and configuration. AWS is built to be very reliable in aggregate when applications are designed appropriately, not for a single special snowflake instance.
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On the subject of how architecture for IaaS platforms differs from just thinking like a VMware cluster but bigger, I've always viewed the Kerio (mail server software popular in Mac shops that don't like change) approach to 'cloud' as being a great example in what not to do. Take the changes made to Exchange over the last few releases in terms of the reduction in storage throughput requirements, clustering features etc etc which has led to Exchange Online being a viable product. Compare that with the Kerio approach to the cloud which from being a partner as they went through this period seemed to be based around talking down O365/Google Apps, emphasising the importance of having your mail server for your 60 person ad agency in the corner of your office, and then going into a blind panic and purchasing a company that was hosting your product, and calling it 'Cloud'. AFAIK the solution still runs on 'enterprise' servers and FC SAN and availability is provided by throwing VMware licensing into the mix (not sure whether they went as far as FT or not). They quote a 99.8% SLA with one-hour maintenance windows scheduled each week because each server is unique and there's no concept of clustering built into the application. I can't imagine the leadership that got them into that position, but they're pretty much hosed now.
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Most of my applications today are pets. As time marches on, more and more of them will be replaced by a SaaS solution, maintained by a third party. Even if most of them go away, I need an internal infrastructure. I will have special snowflake poo poo until the end of time. In 10 years, the bulk of my internal infrastructure will probably be reporting services that aggregates data back to my datacenter from ~the cloud~ so the smart reporting guys can easily create views and joins to manipulate the data and create cool visualizations. The remaining stuff will be supporting servers and a few pets that never made the jump to SaaS. I am still going to have network admins, server admins, and helpdesk. I am still going to have data analysts and business analysts. I would wager that my staff will increase even if the business doesn't grow, as we continue to to automate and take work away from other back office functions. Third party technology service providers will continue to migrate their platforms to a SaaS delivery. As long as I still get to access the data, that's ok with me. It's not the end of IT, and it will only further complicate things rather than make them simpler.
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Sep 14, 2017 01:27
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Did somebody really call Clam Down grumpy, as if this is the first time they've ever seen Clam Down post? He's lovably grumpy, and always has been. He's the quintessential IT poster.
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Sep 14, 2017 02:21
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Shhhhh let him experience The Clam
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Sep 14, 2017 03:54
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CLAM DOWN posted:Shhhhh let him experience The Clam Really. Did you just call yourself the clam.
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Sep 14, 2017 04:03
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CLAM DOWN posted:Shhhhh let him experience The Clam How many caesars do you drink in a week
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Sep 14, 2017 04:06
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Anytime somebody says "VMware" all it does is remind me how much I hate the loving console. Both in thick client and web.
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What's wrong with the VMware console? I mean it's no ConsoleOne.
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