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Haifisch posted:Reminder that one of the writers said that it's impossible for men and women to be platonic friends. It wasn't one of the writers, it was the director. I was a bit more hostile towards Sae in a few of the upcoming interrogation bits following that scene. Because seriously, telling your only family that she's a burden on you and that she's worthless? What the actual goddamn gently caress, Sae? 
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Haifisch posted:Reminder that one of the writers said that it's impossible for men and women to be platonic friends. But, but then why couldn't I date Junpei???
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Arist posted:
Small error here. Part of that is ATMan's dialogue. Well that was just unnecessary. GhostStalker posted:Well, while I was typing that out, an update was posted. I feel like I remember someone saying in one of these Persona threads that, ideally, you wouldn't need to call the police to report a crime in Asian culture because you wouldn't need to have interaction with the police. Doing so is seen unfavorably upon you. So, assuming I'm remembering that right, I guess that kind of association would be the same. Why would a bunch of kids who are doing nothing wrong be in a place with drugs and alcohol? Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 05:47
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Whoa, cool it. We’re not tryin’ to mug you or anything. Please, I don’t want to end up like the others…!
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ApplesandOranges posted:Yeah for many people, this is Sae's 'Yusuke blackmailing Ann' moment, the part which just sours their view of the character completely. This happened to me. I had a family member who would blow up on me like she did, so no matter what Sae would do for the rest of the game I was completely poisoned against her. Like for the rest of the game I always took the most antagonistic dialogue choices I could against her.
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Arist posted:
Oh my god, Kaneshiro is so powerful. If only we also wielded this strange rectangular sorcery that allows one to capture moments and freeze them in time. Perhaps we could then counter his wizardry with an account of the events from our perspective, with some goon holding the Student Council President hostage face-down against the floor in frame and him doing nothing to stop it. Unfortunately, we cannot compete with Kaneshiro's genius-level intellect.
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Come on, you all look so tense. I think I’ll call it… “Debauchery of Minors at a Club.” So, can I send this to your school?
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RareAcumen posted:Oh my god, Kaneshiro is so powerful. If only we also wielded this strange rectangular sorcery that allows one to capture moments and freeze them in time. Perhaps we could then counter his wizardry with an account of the events from our perspective, with some goon holding the Student Council President hostage face-down against the floor in frame and him doing nothing to stop it. But they have guns? I mean, bad idea provoking them further.
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Kaneshiro is rumored to have connections. Considering what happened to Maaku the gang is sensibly assuming that nothing short of Phantom Thief shenanigans will work. In addition, there's a gun to Makoto's head and these guys can presumably get away with murder, and that's not just a figure of speech in this case. I would not make any kind of movement in this situation. I have an hypothesis about Sae's outburst (seriously  ) but it relies on late game reveals. Remind me once we reach the little widdle problem of Maaku being in police custody.As for what Makoto was trying to do here: I think the idea was to take one for the team, allow #Millennials the access to Kaneshiro they need and trust them to solve the situation. Of course, she badly misjudged how bad it would get. Omobono fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 12:15
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Blademaster_Aio posted:But they have guns? I mean, bad idea provoking them further. Doubtful, actually. Japan has a rigorous gun control law that has been reflected in the media- it's why you typically never see any guns, or far too many in anime, but not if it's set in Japan and making pretense to realism- and while this is a fantasy story, it's set in modern Tokyo, so this is reflected in the story. It's why so much has been made of getting model guns, and honestly Maaku would probably be in enough trouble if he was caught with one of those. Yes, yes, Mafia group, and they don't obey laws and alla that... but even the Yakuza have tacit agreements with the government to stamp down of gun proliferation, so between the strict embargo at ports and the stonewalling of the still very large Yakuza groups, it's often too much of a pain to just get a gun for just anybody to use, even for Mafia groups like Kaneshiro's- and even if he did have one, a gun related incident raises way too many red flags and attention by the police. Not that any of this really matters, as they all probably had other weapons and after all, had Makoto pinned down in a way that they could hurt or kill her before any of the gang could do much at all.
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Omobono posted:I have an hypothesis about Sae's outburst (seriously There's no "hypothesis" needed to explain that freakout of Sae's. She's a woman in a male-dominated field working a hellishly stressful job, who occasionally has to eat poo poo from a (devastatingly handsome) high-schooler working alongside her, so the pressure keeps building and building until she finally vents it on the one person in her life who can't damage her professionally. It doesn't excuse her, but it definitely explains her behavior. This game has a recurring thread of society and authority constantly being eager to condemn and abuse those who can't fight back, and it's plain to see in Makoto's situation. She has no actual authority and she keeps being used, threatened, and taunted by everyone around her, until she finally snaps and starts acting recklessly just for the sake of making her own decisions for a change. Then they just wind up getting blackmailed by Kaneshiro, and while the photograph doesn't seem like much, it's a lot more potent considering Japan's culture (kids being sighted near drugs is an instant scarlet letter) and that theme of powerlessness (the protagonist and his friends are still on thin ice with their peers, who would love a chance to go "see, I knew they were no good all along," and as mentioned before Makoto's useless prestige just makes her even more vulnerable to someone damaging her reputation).
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Blademaster_Aio posted:But they have guns? I mean, bad idea provoking them further. Honestly, never noticed a gun in the picture at all. Even looking for it, I still can't find it.
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RareAcumen posted:Honestly, never noticed a gun in the picture at all. Even looking for it, I still can't find it. I was assuming they had weapons, since mafia and all. Even if they don't have guns, beating someone is entirely possible. We can't take their picture. I'm sure. Kaneshiro would go ballistic. Your post was great though. I laughed.
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Blademaster_Aio posted:I was assuming they had weapons, since mafia and all. Japan's gun laws are so incredibly strict that even the Yakuza are a little skittish around them. Being caught in possession of a firearm is almost a guaranteed multi-year sentence, and if the courts are able to come close to proving that the weapon has actually been fired then you can be put away for life. At least one Japanese police officer ran afoul of their gun laws posthumously; he committed suicide with his service weapon, and his corpse was sued and convicted of non-designated firearm use. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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RareAcumen posted:Oh my god, Kaneshiro is so powerful. If only we also wielded this strange rectangular sorcery that allows one to capture moments and freeze them in time. Perhaps we could then counter his wizardry with an account of the events from our perspective, with some goon holding the Student Council President hostage face-down against the floor in frame and him doing nothing to stop it. Of course it would be so easy to resolve. All they have to do is trust that the figures of authority would do the right thing. Every character has every reason in the world to trust the authority which has definitely not done everything possible to either screw them over or is in the active process of screwing them over.
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Oxxidation posted:There's no "hypothesis" needed to explain that freakout of Sae's. She's a woman in a male-dominated field working a hellishly stressful job, who occasionally has to eat poo poo from a (devastatingly handsome) high-schooler working alongside her, so the pressure keeps building and building until she finally vents it on the one person in her life who can't damage her professionally. It doesn't excuse her, but it definitely explains her behavior. I get the explanation, and I see what it does for Makoto's character arc. But god drat Sae just lost every point in her favor as a character. At least the blackmailing thing was somewhat dismissible as dumbass teens being dumbass teens, but unloading like that on not only a (effectively) helpless minor but also your only family before ending with "I think I'm going to avoid you in the future"? That poo poo was ice cold and unnecessarily cruel. In any other game I'd peg Sae as a major antagonist rather than part of the narration at this point.
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Tempest_56 posted:I get the explanation, and I see what it does for Makoto's character arc. But god drat Sae just lost every point in her favor as a character. At least the blackmailing thing was somewhat dismissible as dumbass teens being dumbass teens, but unloading like that on not only a (effectively) helpless minor but also your only family before ending with "I think I'm going to avoid you in the future"? That poo poo was ice cold and unnecessarily cruel. In any other game I'd peg Sae as a major antagonist rather than part of the narration at this point. That was less a parting shot and more Sae's horribly inept way of trying to be conciliatory - "I need to distance myself from you because I'm toxic to be around right now."
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Here's the promised video of Kaneshiro's English voice. It's freaky.
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His voice works a lot better for Krishna then it does for Kaneshiro.
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That voice does not match that face.Oxxidation posted:Japan's gun laws are so incredibly strict that even the Yakuza are a little skittish around them. Being caught in possession of a firearm is almost a guaranteed multi-year sentence, and if the courts are able to come close to proving that the weapon has actually been fired then you can be put away for life. At least one Japanese police officer ran afoul of their gun laws posthumously; he committed suicide with his service weapon, and his corpse was sued and convicted of non-designated firearm use. How do you sue a corpse?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:How do you sue a corpse?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:That voice does not match that face. Ask these guys! But yeah... that's Kaneshiro, the threatening criminal genius with Shibuya under his thumb. Are you threatened?
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resurgam40 posted:But yeah... that's Kaneshiro, the threatening criminal genius with Shibuya under his thumb. Are you threatened? I mean he could have the voice of Kermit the Frog and it still wouldn't change the fact he's in control of a few hundred guys (est.) that are significantly more threatening.
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When I played up to this part, my friend was watching and we both burst into laughter at seeing Kaneshiro. While I'm giggling my friend blurts "WHY IS HIS FACE SO loving TINY?!"
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Drakenel posted:When I played up to this part, my friend was watching and we both burst into laughter at seeing Kaneshiro. While I'm giggling my friend blurts "WHY IS HIS FACE SO loving TINY?!" It shrank because he's a jerk. Anime power. I think he looks okay though. Well, that's just because I've seen his shadow.
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I accidentally replaced my 5/8 save with 5/9, so now I can't not vanquish the mementos on pollen day. What am I going to miss because of this?
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That early in the game? Nothing. Enjoy having enemies that occasionally you find asleep. For the record, there is no Mementos-affecting condition that negatively impacts your party. It's always to your benefit in at least a minor way.
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Grouchio posted:I accidentally replaced my 5/8 save with 5/9, so now I can't not vanquish the mementos on pollen day. What am I going to miss because of this? There's more than one pollen day, don't worry.
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Rangpur posted:That early in the game? Nothing. Enjoy having enemies that occasionally you find asleep. For the record, there is no Mementos-affecting condition that negatively impacts your party. It's always to your benefit in at least a minor way.
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Grouchio posted:No I mean, weren't there confidant opportunities that day that Arist wanted to get done? Nothing's permanently missable. I mean obviously you have a 'last day' available to do some confidants near the end of the game, but that's very far off into the future.
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I know that we're busy feeling bad for Makoto and making fun of Garfield's Humansona right now, but uhArist posted:
I feel like this is an under-appreciated moment. I found myself saying "holy poo poo" out loud when I got to that part. Ryuji don't give a gently caress.
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Grouchio posted:No I mean, weren't there confidant opportunities that day that Arist wanted to get done? the game isn't that tight on getting all of the confidant's done in time in a single playthrough. A day or two here or there isn't really an issue.
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Kaneshiro is not even the first anime thug I have seen with that kind of bodyshape and distracting voice
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Power Bottom posted:I feel like this is an under-appreciated moment. I found myself saying "holy poo poo" out loud when I got to that part. Ryuji don't give a gently caress. I appreciate it too. I wish he gets more scenes like this, and less of being a security leak to us. And echoing the at Sae. I hope there's another option later on where we can rub on her face that Makoto is willingly helping us fool her or something.I can't help but compare them to the Suou brothers in P2. Innocent Sin was from Tatsuya's perspective, so Katsuya comes across as a dick who tells Tatsuya to stop meddling in police affairs. But in Eternal Punishment, Maya sees that Katsuya loves his brother and wants him to stay out of trouble. Of course, Katsuya never told Tatsuya he was worthless and a burden.
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I can only assume the reason Sae blew up like that is because she's incredibly frustrated with her job or something, assuming we're supposed to have any sympathy for her, otherwise she just comes off as nasty.
I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Sae, just like every other named character in this story, has been getting shat on by institutionalized disadvantages in one way or another. Persona 5 is very much a story about people who routinely gently caress up and who are kind of on the fringes of society. Sae in particular is a woman in a male-dominated field, and a sort of single surrogate mother to boot.
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Stephen9001 posted:I can only assume the reason Sae blew up like that is because she's incredibly frustrated with her job or something, assuming we're supposed to have any sympathy for her, otherwise she just comes off as nasty. I get that she's likely stressed by her job, but the scene as it happens is still basically  Hey, do you think dad would support the Phantom Thieves if they were genuinely helping people? HOLY poo poo, STOP THINKING ABOUT STUPID THINGS SO YOU CAN STOP BEING A BURDEN ON MY LIFE, YOU PARASITEAnd then she actually does go right back to eating afterwards. 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I get that she's likely stressed by her job, but the scene as it happens is still basically Yeah, I think I poorly phrased what I said originally, what I essentially meant was that we should hopefully get context that show's us Sae's life at work or whatever is hard and bad or something, if the devolopers expect us to sympathise with her, if we don't get any such context, than I hope we're not expected to sympathise with her, since that seemed just plain nasty. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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I was assuming Kaneshiro's name was a pun, because "kane" can mean "money" and "shiro" "castle"... but no, I looked up the kanji and his name is straight up Moneycastle. 
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