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I started watching gently caress Scientology after the chat in the thread. I've watched three episodes of Season 1 and whilst it's good, it's a little....repetitive. People have been separated from their families, I get it. Whilst that is sad, it's pretty one-note and loses it's effectiveness as a result. Does it get better? Additionally, why is this poo poo legal? If they outlaw things like Nazi's, Hezbollah and the IRA why can't they do the same with this?
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Sep 14, 2017 01:34
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I mean... Nazis, Hezbollah, and the IRA didn't exactly go away... They managed to become public enemies because they were the enemies of people with lots of political and economic power. Scientology has a lot of political an economic power on its side. They also aren't a terroristic threat to government, only to citizens, which means there's not a huge incentive for the government to go after them. There are plenty of countries where it is illegal.
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Sep 14, 2017 01:37
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Looten Plunder posted:I started watching gently caress Scientology after the chat in the thread. I've watched three episodes of Season 1 and whilst it's good, it's a little....repetitive. People have been separated from their families, I get it. Whilst that is sad, it's pretty one-note and loses it's effectiveness as a result. I think it gets stronger as it goes on, the cult deprogrammer who used to be a Moonie is an especially fun character. The final episode of season 1 is a Reddit AMA hosted by the people from the show and it's just a lot of good discussion about the inner workings of Scientology from higher-ups who left without the sad personal stories. Also freedom of religion is a hell of a drug. Especially when combined with America's copyright law and contracts.
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Sep 14, 2017 02:02
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Snak posted:They also aren't a terroristic threat to government, only to citizens And also mostly only citizens who actively choose to be a part of them. I only say mostly because there are kids who grew up in the cult that didn't really have a choice.
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Sep 14, 2017 06:28
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zoux posted:Never heard of the podcast, but this looks cool. I love the episodes of Lore I've caught, so this is right up my alley. Sounds perfect for October; I can't wait to watch.
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Sep 14, 2017 06:28
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bull3964 posted:TBS has renewed “People of Earth”, “Wrecked”, and “The Guest Book". People of Earth and The Guest Book are real good. I should see about Wrecked.
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Sep 14, 2017 06:34
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Wrecked is pretty drat good. Can't agree with you on The Guest Book though. I will admit it has more potential that I expected, but it's just not really that funny.
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Sep 14, 2017 08:20
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Inspector 34 posted:And also mostly only citizens who actively choose to be a part of them. I only say mostly because there are kids who grew up in the cult that didn't really have a choice. That's actually the big thing I took from the episodes I've seen and other documentaries or interviews. We tend to think of Scientology as Tom Cruise and John Travolta and a bunch of celebrities who choose this. But watching this stuff you realize how many people seem to be in the cult because their parents dragged them in when they were divorced or struggling or something. It makes the whole thing seem so much more predatory (which is no surprise since that's how bad religions/cults/movements work) and it ends up putting those Cruise and Travolta types in a much more sinister light for perpetuating this for those who don't have the power, money, and influence to speak out and get away relatively clean. I mean, I don't watch the show because after a certain number of Scientology documentaries and exposes it feels like I'm just wallowing in human misery. But until that point it definitely did a lot to open my eyes to the real victims and evil of Scientology and take it from just being a random curiosity for me.
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Sep 14, 2017 08:37
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The one thing it does over the others is get under your skin, it's less like a documentary and more like a "let's gently caress these guys a new one."
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Sep 14, 2017 08:58
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I thought gently caress Scientology was fine, but there's a lot of crossover with Lawrence Wright's book, which was fantastically researched and pretty much lays out every facet of what they do, particularly the slave labour that built Tom Cruise's new hanger.
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Sep 14, 2017 13:12
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Snak posted:I mean... Nazis, Hezbollah, and the IRA didn't exactly go away... The huge incentive should be taxing it for not even being a real religion (and then tax those too).
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Sep 14, 2017 13:49
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Guy Mann posted:The podcast is OK, I stopped listening because the host was getting really annoying about plugging his books in it and his wroting and delivery is a bit too...breathless? I get why people might like a show that plays up acting like all these myths could be real but it wasn't really for me. I like the podcast, the host has a good relaxing cadence to listen to for ~30 while I drive home. I don't mind most plugging though as it's about 2 minutes at the beginning and 2 minutes at the end, so it's not terribly intrusive.
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Sep 14, 2017 13:59
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IRQ posted:The huge incentive should be taxing it for not even being a real religion (and then tax those too). Right, which is actually not incentive for them to make Scientology illegal. Which was the original question. They tried to tax Scientology and failed. I feel like they have more incentive to try that again than to make their organization illegal. It would probably be political suicide to oersue that. And you'd have all kinds ofnpork barrels stuff trying to tack on banning Muslims also. And then people working the other way to make sure that legislation banning Scientology didn't also hit "real religion" and the idea that Scientology wouldn't be able to just loophole they way into still existing. It's. It a simple problem. Edit: I meant it's not a simple problem, but I'm bad at posting. Snak fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 14:01
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Snak posted:Right, which is actually not incentive for them to make Scientology illegal. Which was the original question. It's a start though, and once the books are open who even knows what wonky poo poo the government could find.
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Sep 14, 2017 14:06
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You're the Worst is off to a great start This is fine
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Sep 14, 2017 14:26
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https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/908088856938938370
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Sep 14, 2017 14:36
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And no matter how outlandishly lovely they are they will be completely plausible.
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Sep 14, 2017 14:44
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Welp. http://io9.gizmodo.com/cbs-wont-allow-any-reviews-of-star-trek-discovery-befo-1809073782
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Sep 14, 2017 16:24
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Gotta lock on that first month of CBS All-Access. No pro-ration or refunds!
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Sep 14, 2017 16:38
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GreenNight posted:Welp. They just want to protect the fans from spoilers!!
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Sep 14, 2017 16:45
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IRQ posted:They just want to protect the fans from spoilers!! Here's a spoiler for you: It's going to be very, very bad
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Sep 14, 2017 16:51
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So this whole ST + streaming-only thing has been such a patently obvious disaster in the making from day one, so how are the only people in the whole world who don't realize this CBS execs.
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Sep 14, 2017 16:51
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They don't care. Netflix buying the rights to the markets outside of the US already paid for the show so it's no risk for them. I still think it's dumb that they aren't putting it on Showtime. Hey CBS, Twin Peaks is now done and I have no reason to keep my Showtime sub so I cancelled. Had Discovery been on Showtime, I would have kept the sub around through the duration which is even more expensive (but much higher quality) than All-Access.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:01
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I'm setting the over/under for the Borg episode that ends with them erasing their memory banks and swearing never to speak of it again at Season 2 Episode 6
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Sep 14, 2017 17:04
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IRQ posted:It's a start though, and once the books are open who even knows what wonky poo poo the government could find. Yeah, and I totally agree and think the government should keep going after them and they need to be shut down. I was just answering the original question "why isn't Scientology illegal like Hezbollah?".
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Sep 14, 2017 17:08
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Fuller was the one, and only one, thing that made Star Trek Discovery interesting.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:14
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zoux posted:I'm setting the over/under for the Borg episode that ends with them erasing their memory banks and swearing never to speak of it again at Season 2 Episode 6 I wish they would leave the Borg alone, they worked best when they were a looming threat, and not just a monster of the week. I mean it made sense that they were in Voyager, but drat it was also Voyager.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:24
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If they keep up this trend, the next Star Trek Series will take place in 2013.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:30
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zoux posted:If they keep up this trend, the next Star Trek Series will take place in 2013. With how much time travel there was involving the Original Series, it would actually be interesting to have a Search for Not-Spock the series.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:36
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Make a new ST in the prime universe that's what everyone wants. Make it after the Dominion War, make it include all those geo-political shifts, make it about people in favor of militarizing Starfleet following a near existential military defeat vs. people who want to preserve the Federations peaceful mission. Make it about exploring the Gamma Quadrant, make it about only Klingons or whatever just stop moving backwards in time because you are afraid of confusing people who don't know the movies and TV are different. Stop making shows for the stupidest people in the world. Thank you.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:39
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Just stop making star trek. Just let it die.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:41
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Snak posted:Just stop making star trek. Yeah, probably, but then what will fill that Star Trek hole in our souls?
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Sep 14, 2017 17:42
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In a media landscape where the only thing that matters are proven IPs with a deep and extendable universe, I don't see Paramount doing that.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:42
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zoux posted:I'm setting the over/under for the Borg episode that ends with them erasing their memory banks and swearing never to speak of it again at Season 2 Episode 6 At this point I'm highly skeptical this show will get a second season.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:09
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Iron Crowned posted:Yeah, probably, but then what will fill that Star Trek hole in our souls? Stargate was doing a bangup job.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:12
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feedmyleg posted:At this point I'm highly skeptical this show will get a second season. It already had the second best debut for a scripted show since This Is Us, and after they adjusted it, it tied with This Is Us. I mean, it could crater of course but right now it's a smash.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:15
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Did I see people trashing This Is Us? Maybe in the Orville thread?
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Rhyno posted:Stargate was doing a bangup job. And I think we're ready for a reboot, but alas MGM probably can't afford it and even if they could they don't understand why SG-1 and Atlantis were good. Maybe they'll forget to breathe and be replaced by someone who does.
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zoux posted:It already had the second best debut for a scripted show since This Is Us, and after they adjusted it, it tied with This Is Us. I mean, it could crater of course but right now it's a smash. Oh. I thought you were talking about Discovery. Strike that. Borg weren't even around yet 
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