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TyrantWD posted:Bernie supporters went nuts over Tulsi Gabbard because she chose Bernie over Hillary. It was very much a personality cult. the second half does not follow from the first, I'm afraid. it turns out that there were quite a few people desperate for a voice in politics to the left of "Single Payer Will Never, Ever Happen" that they were willing to compromise to the point of accepting Sanders and Gabbard- "look Sandy Hook is just a thing that happens" and "Assad's not so bad" respectively- should probably have been a wakeup call sooner than it was. fortunately, the lesson has now been learned, and with luck the 2018 version of the Democratic Party will have a better goal in mind than convincing the electorate better things aren't possible.
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Jaxyon posted:Also I'd like to add that the idea that black folks are any more homophobic than any other group is a racist myth. Some of it is also a holdover from the days when the leadership of African American political movements was disproportionately church-related. I've seen nothing I recall as particularly credible looking at how socially conservative black churches are today, but I gather that the BLM constellation and related movements are way less church-centric than some of their earlier relatives. This is all dimly remembered second-hand casual readin' from a white goon, mind. 
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Sep 14, 2017 18:55
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Imagine worrying about Bernie's cult when there are very very bad annoying Democrats bending the knee to his cultists? People are so shortsighted and dumb. Medicare For All Help or get the gently caress outta the way.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:56
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So this guy I went to college with posted this article about the impact of the meat industry on climate change. The article isn't bad, but his accompanying post just makes me want to tell him he is a loving moron and is sniffing his vegetarian farts while patting himself on the back. https://www.economist.com/blogs/eco...rtheenvironment His post: "Don't be a hypocrite. If you claim to care about the environment and are concerned about climate change, then stop eating livestock (ie stop eating meat). If you can't fathom the concept of not eating meat, then please STFU about climate change. "A widespread switch to vegetarianism could curb emissions by nearly two thirds and veganism by 70%." My biggest issue I guess is him taking a complex topic like climate change and simplifying the solution to "everyone just needs to switch to vegetarianism" without considering economic barriers, culture, and the 6.2m jobs in the industry.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:57
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i mean, the man's not wrong, it's a good way to reduce your carbon footprint, but good ways to reduce your carbon footprint are not small in number
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Sep 14, 2017 18:58
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MrSargent posted:So this guy I went to college with posted this article about the impact of the meat industry on climate change. The article isn't bad, but his accompanying post just makes me want to tell him he is a loving moron and is sniffing his vegetarian farts while patting himself on the back. i mean this is true of anything popularly consumed by society. if this guy owns a car he's just as bad as a meat eater. as a wise old hedgehog said, turns out you can't be an ethical consumer in a capitalist society also lmao if he has kids or plans to have them
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Sep 14, 2017 19:00
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TyrantWD posted:Bernie supporters went nuts over Tulsi Gabbard because she chose Bernie over Hillary. It was very much a personality cult. We are desperate for representation. If it were a personality cult, they'd be infallible. However, diehards commonly think that Sanders and Gabbard suck on foreign policy, especially Sanders and his hippie poo poo. You saw pent up demand. I feel so strongly about this that I want to yell at you then emigrate somewhere I can have political representation.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:01
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Jaxyon posted:Also I'd like to add that the idea that black folks are any more homophobic than any other group is a racist myth. No, I'm just saying the average black voter isn't universally as liberal as, say, a leftist white voter. The difference is that white churchgoers are Republicans and black churchgoers are Democrats.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:03
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Accretionist posted:We are desperate for representation. Sanders wanted co-pays for drugs. People gotta tell 'em they're wrong when they're wrong.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:05
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Jaxyon posted:Also I'd like to add that the idea that black folks are any more homophobic than any other group is a racist myth. This actually was true as recently as 2008, but it has leveled out in recent years.  
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Sep 14, 2017 19:06
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This actually was true as recently as 2008, but it has leveled out in recent years. I think it ended up being an amplification of religiosity, as a lot of black churches were very against gay marriage and the like. After Obama came out in support of it, the numbers softened somewhat.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:08
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They also limit all franchisees to only one store, so the people who own and work in the local Chic-Fil-A all live in the area. Yea that owns btw, it does increase the risk and cost of franchising, but meh what are you going to do?
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Teddybear posted:I think it ended up being an amplification of religiosity, as a lot of black churches were very against gay marriage and the like. After Obama came out in support of it, the numbers softened somewhat. I remember some of my friends in the drag community saying that it was extra challenging for PoC compared to white drag queens/kings.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:30
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Yea that owns btw, it does increase the risk and cost of franchising, but meh what are you going to do? Make more delicious chicken?
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Teddybear posted:I think it ended up being an amplification of religiosity, as a lot of black churches were very against gay marriage and the like. After Obama came out in support of it, the numbers softened somewhat. http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/ If you look at the breakdown by religion, black Protestants now as always fall between white "mainline" and "Evangelical" Protestants, which is about what I would've naively expected based on my limited knowledge of Protestants. What I don't see, interestingly, is any apparent "Obama effect" on black Protestants.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:36
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PerniciousKnid posted:http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/ They have a chart that breaks it down by race, so you don't need to use the religious one. It seems like black support is still lagging. code:Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 19:43
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TyrantWD posted:Bernie supporters went nuts over Tulsi Gabbard because she chose Bernie over Hillary. It was very much a personality cult. That's just flat-out wrong. A handful did go nuts over Gabbard, and then the rest of us actually looked at her record as a politician and went, "oh holy gently caress, we want nothing to do with this loon." Acting like Sanders' movement is any more of a personality cult than Clinton's is ridiculous.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:47
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They have a chart that breaks it down by race, so you don't need to use the religious one. There is, but my point was to explore religiosity as an explanation and show that black and white religious had comparable support. With more time I'd look for religious/non-religious breakdowns by race, I was just making a point that minorities are not universally as liberal as the left-most wing of whites.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:50
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I personal favorite was Blaine Gabbert. Not gabbard but close enough imo.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:51
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theblackw0lf posted:http://khn.org/news/despite-kvetching-most-consumers-satisfied-with-health-plans-poll/ All true, but at this point, we're nowhere near being able to actually tell people, "We're going to eliminate the private insurance market and take away the plans that you like." We do need to figure out how to sell that aspect of a single-payer system effectively, but for now, there's a Republican majority in Congress, a particularly loony Republican sitting in the Oval Office, etc, etc. I don't think anyone's jumping the gun by pledging support for a symbolic single payer bill that's not going to pass.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:54
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PerniciousKnid posted:There is, but my point was to explore religiosity as an explanation and show that black and white religious had comparable support. Only 4% of African Americans identify as non-religious. There is not going to be any poll with a margin of error less than 50% about their views unless you commissioned one specifically for it.
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Sep 14, 2017 19:55
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https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/908402359709159426 Jesus Christ, someone better go to jail for this poo poo.
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aware of dog posted:https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/908402359709159426 The only people who might go to jail over this are security researchers, certainly no one from the company will be punished.
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aware of dog posted:https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/908402359709159426 #EndEquifax
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Majorian posted:That's just flat-out wrong. A handful did go nuts over Gabbard, and then the rest of us actually looked at her record as a politician and went, "oh holy gently caress, we want nothing to do with this loon." Acting like Sanders' movement is any more of a personality cult than Clinton's is ridiculous.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:07
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dwarf74 posted:Well, there was that whole dumb bird thing. I don't think anyone thought the bird thing was anything more than a cool coincidence that turned into a cute photo op. It was a fun meme to rub into Clinton supporters' faces, but that was kind of it.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:09
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They have a chart that breaks it down by race, so you don't need to use the religious one. You can level a lot of blame at the old Chestnut of toxic masculinity as well.
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lolquote:Equifax had patch 2 months before hack and didn’t install it, security group says
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theblackw0lf posted:http://khn.org/news/despite-kvetching-most-consumers-satisfied-with-health-plans-poll/ This is an excellent point and why we need to have an open and honest discussion now. If the Democrats just lash Congresspeople onto a Medicare-For-All for the sake of party unity or ideological conformity, then we risk that, when the time comes to pass it, we'll have a mass desertion like the Republicans had. It's better to anticipate resistance where we could see it, deal honestly with objections and come to a workable consensus.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:14
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Equifax needs to stop existing as a company. Corporate death penalty with mandatory jail time for executives is the way to solve this loving problem.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:16
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dwarf74 posted:Well, there was that whole dumb bird thing. "America's second favorite Jewish socialist carpenter," has been a joke from day 1, btw
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Sep 14, 2017 20:16
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moostaffa posted:Equifax needs to stop existing as a company. Corporate death penalty with mandatory jail time for executives is the way to solve this loving problem. Don't victim blame. Do people who refuse to lock their doors deserve it? What was Equifax wearing at the time?
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Sep 14, 2017 20:18
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Don't victim blame. This doesn't work because a rape victim is not responsible for the personal data of 150+ million people, usually you're a lot better at this gimmick. Step it up man.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:19
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Don't victim blame. The better analogy would actually be your friend who borrows your car and leaves it unlocked in the mall parking garage overnight with the keys in the ignition. Ogmius815 fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 20:20
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Don't victim blame. Woah, talk about corporations as people.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:20
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Don't victim blame. e: whatever. Corporations want to be treated as people, so let's treat them like black people.
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Democrazy posted:Woah, talk about corporations as people. Instead of teaching corporations how to protect themselves from hackers, we need to teach hackers not to hack.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:21
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Don't victim blame. Never post again.
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WampaLord posted:Never post again. Let he who has not left their machine with 144 million social security numbers on it turned on for 83 consecutive days cast the first stone.
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