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Waffles Inc. posted:what leads me to believe otherwise? we don't see anything of the republic in tfa except for the people before they get blown away Then yeah, we're going to have to disagree. To me, the film series showing us a Republic of thousands of planets/systems being replaced by an Empire of roughly the same size, being replaced by another organization also known as the Republic implies to me that they would also have thousands of planets/systems. Or if the First Order had been splitting the galaxy, I could at least see hundreds or something. Only 5 planets would mean they were a comically small organization in the Star Wars universe.
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Waffles Inc. posted:my dude i can't stress enough how little of a drat i give about books or extended materials or whatever the hell You seriously think that that one system was the entirety of Republic space? And that every single Republic citizen lived there? Even compared to just the other films, that's dumb. Coruscant was not the entire Republic back in the prequels. What do you think all those senators and whatnot were representing? The Republic has hundreds, if not thousands, of worlds.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Don't the characters mention several times that the entire Republic fleet was blown up? so when finn gets to the not-yavin 4 base he meets up with poe and they talk to leia poe: finn's familiar with the weapon that destroyed the hosnian system; he worked on the base leia: we're desperate for anything you can tell us then some gal patronizes chewie then 3p0 talks about the luke map then bb8 rolls up to r2 and it's legit sad because bb8 and r2 rule  then han and leia have a nice scene about kylo it cuts away to rey being captive when we cut back to the base we get some info about the death star snap: they've somehow built a hyper-lightspeed weapon within the planet itself they talk some more then they get a message that tells them that the fo is charging the death star again 3p0: oh my, without the republic fleet, we're doomed then they talk about the weakness (the ~thermal oscillator~) so no, not multiple times jivjov posted:You seriously think that that one system was the entirety of Republic space? And that every single Republic citizen lived there? you're not understanding what i'm saying i don't think ok so hux literally says "today is the end of the republic" and "...will bring an end to the senate and their cherished fleet" and then shoots the thing. they don't shoot again. presumably hux and the FO think that the shot they just did is going to accomplish what was in his speech. is he wrong? surely hux knows more about the republic than we do because he's thinking that "today is the end of the republic" Waffles Inc. fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 19:52
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You can literally see the fleet getting destroyed along with the planets. That's on screen.
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Hux: Today is the end of the Republic. The end of a regime that acquiesces to disorder. At this very moment in a system far from here, the New Republic lies to the galaxy while secretly supporting the treachery of the rogues of the Resistance. This fierce machine which you have built, upon which we stand will bring an end to the Senate, to their cherished fleet. All remaining systems will bow to the First Order and will remember this as the last day of the Republic! Interpret that as not many more systems. It's vague tho.
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Waffles you replied to me in nested quotes which I can't cope with on a phone . No I don't think it is bad storytelling because the story was adequately told. I dont think it was bad movie making either especially since information is being communicated visually .
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euphronius posted:Waffles you replied to me in nested quotes which I can't cope with on a phone . sorry 'bout that, i don't like nesting quotes all that much myself but yeah, i can dig, we just disagree about the efficacy of what's being communicated i guess
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How the gently caress can a worm live in a asteroid field What is it eating ???
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euphronius posted:How the gently caress can a worm live in a asteroid field Well it tried to eat the Falcon. So maybe spaceships? It can't get much though, so, like the Sarlacc, it doesn't really make any drat sense.
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Spaceships would be stupid to go into an asteroid field !!
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In the preceding film, there was a shot of something that represents an entity also called The Republic, which consisted of thousands of glowing objects representing the worlds that constitute it. This establishes the scale of the setting: the galaxy is large. Unlike A New Hope, the conflict in The Force Awakens is trilateral. The relative powers of the belligerents aren't really established. The lack of clarity of the actions happening exacerbates it but is orthogonal to the bigger problem. Here is what summarizes it for me: If the Rebels had failed and the Death Star blew up their base, what would have happened next in the Star War? If the Resistance had failed and Starkiller blew up their base, what would have happened next in the Star War? Would the war be over? Would it just be the beginning? Would it escalate? De-escalate? Which of these answers has stronger textual support?
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I guess what I've been getting at is that if the point of Starkiller was to "even the playing field", and we're supposed to believe that- even with a large portion of the Republic fleet gone- the First Order can project enough strength to threaten a large portion of the galaxy before the Republic systems can retool for war, then that's loving stupid; it's too much of a leap.
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not that it matters all that much, but is there any interview or insight from JJ or one of the tfa writers or anything why Leia's group had to be the resistance and not just like, straight up the republic? I just don't understand that it seems to slavishly devoted to having the same power dichotomy of the OT i mean yes, i can charitably see what they might have been going for: leia being a sort of cassandra-esque figure who loses her credibility and career because of her constant warning about the empire, but i only know all of that through reading the new novels and poo poo Waffles Inc. fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Waffles Inc. posted:not that it matters all that much, but is there any interview or insight from JJ or one of the tfa writers or anything why Leia's group had to be the resistance and not just like, straight up the republic? I just don't understand that thrawn527 posted:Oh right, the novelization probably talked about Starkiller Base in more detail. No interview, but the story group is deeply entrenched in Lucasfilm now, and as I say here, Rian Johnson was involved in at least some of the plot of this book. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Waffles Inc. posted:not that it matters all that much, but is there any interview or insight from JJ or one of the tfa writers or anything why Leia's group had to be the resistance and not just like, straight up the republic? I just don't understand that From posts itt about the books, I think it's something to the effect that the member systems of the Republic are largely tired of fighting the remnants of the Empire and don't take them seriously enough to want to expend the effort to finish the job. Thus the Republic votes to make peace, but some of the higher ups (not very subtly) commission this CIA Black OPs bullshit to break Imperial control of their remaining systems.
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so based on all of that i'm wondering where that leaves us with tlj it's gotta be essentially the ESB status quo right? with the republic destroyed the resistance is all that's left, and based on the casino stuff i guess they're going after the fo's purse? Waffles Inc. fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 20:34
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It's status quo ante . And we will all find out together !!
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Waffles Inc. posted:so based on all of that i'm wondering where that leaves us with tlj Honestly I don't know. I think you're going to see a severely weakened Republic, with it's head cut off and no military, absorb the Resistance into the Republic as it's new military. Leading to friction on who is really in charge now. I'm guessing that's where Laura Dern's character will come in, as an internal antagonist to Leia. Though I guess the Vanity Fair article says she's someone high up in the Resistance, so maybe not. But no one really knows yet.
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https://twitter.com/hamillhimself/status/908421456874283008 Bigger Luke is Canon
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Milky Moor posted:Star Wars Explained is some kind of Disney guerilla marketing thing, right? They have a Patreon, so no. Lego sent them a Snowspeeder kit to giveaway once, though.
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just another posted:It'd be neat to see Luke become a de facto Sith Lord opposite Rey as a consequence of a murderous belief that the Jedi must be destroyed in order to end the cycle and bring balance to the Force. Not all Dark Jedi are Sith lords. I can't be Luke being a Sith, but I can see him going to dark side to try to keep the Jedi as an old relic that dies with him. Aside from which, the Sith are known for the "rule of two", Dark Jedi aren't, and I think the whole point, especially if you have him kill of Kylo Ren, is "no apprentices". Wishing his own family to rule at his side was Vader's mistake (this is actually what Snoke is teaching Ren and why Ren is killing off relatives), and training a psychopath was Luke's. Luke killing Ren would address the failures of two generations.
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Waffles Inc. posted:
Dude: I heard about Alderan and your family dead. Leelu: lol ain't nobody got time for that
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Craptacular! posted:Not all Dark Jedi are Sith lords. I can't be Luke being a Sith, but I can see him going to dark side to try to keep the Jedi as an old relic that dies with him. Aside from which, the Sith are known for the "rule of two", Dark Jedi aren't, and I think the whole point, especially if you have him kill of Kylo Ren, is "no apprentices". Wishing his own family to rule at his side was Vader's mistake (this is actually what Snoke is teaching Ren and why Ren is killing off relatives), and training a psychopath was Luke's. Luke killing Ren would address the failures of two generations. Yep, sorry. Was being lazy using the term Sith. I just meant it would be (potentially) interesting to see Luke's desire to break the cycle become pathological in its own right.
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The MSJ posted:https://twitter.com/cavanscott/status/908368681721266176 Aaaand my excitement for this collection just died. These are bad. And they're what they chose to reveal as good examples. Oh my.
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Had no idea that Star Wars blasters could be set to kill or not-kill.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Had no idea that Star Wars blasters could be set to kill or not-kill. Did you not watch the original film?
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I want a story about the guy who drives the space truck dragging the big yellow words at the beginning of Star Wars. Just a reminder that unless I'm grossly misremembering, the "look sir droids" stormtrooper got an EU novel where he got demoted to Combing The Desert & Not Finding poo poo duty because he told his supervisor that AT-ATs might get tripped by a wire.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Had no idea that Star Wars blasters could be set to kill or not-kill. Sounds like you need to watch the first ten minutes of A New Hope again.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Had no idea that Star Wars blasters could be set to kill or not-kill. Yeah, this is a weird thing to not know.
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And the crazy thing is, I just re-watched A New Hope (and the rest of the 6) prior to TFA!
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I hope the Stormtrooper story is about his life-and-death struggle being surrounded by Rebel soldiers after his teammates died. Then in the end he triumphantly walks out and gets choked to death by Vader for disobeying orders.
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Finally, I can hear the droid racist's side of the story
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thrawn527 posted:At the beginning of ESB, when Luke is captured by the Wampa, he sees his lightsaber just out of reach. He then closes his eyes, reaches out, and uses telekinetic powers to pull the lightsaber towards him. This broke the suspension of disbelief, because that was an entirely new power never mentioned before in a Star Wars movie. Theater goers left the theater furious, and The Empire Strikes Back went on to be known as the movie that killed Star Wars. One angry viewer was quoted as saying, "That's not how the Force works!" Not really Vader used force choke in the first one so it was already clearly established that the force gives Jedis special powers. It was described as an energy field. TFA was just lazy story telling. Like if the Hosnian system was so close to Maz's remote outpost where people who don't want to be found hang out why didn't Han just fly to Hosnia Prime and drop Finn and Rey with the Republic? Mr President fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Mr President posted:Not really Vader used force choke in the first one so it was already clearly established that the force gives Jedis special powers. It was described as an energy field. TFA was just lazy story telling. Like if the Hosnian system was so close to Maz's remote outpost where people who don't want to be found hang out why didn't Han just fly to Hosnia Prime and drop Finn and Rey with the Republic? Being able to use the dark side of the force to literally choke the life out of someone is wildly different than using telekinesis to pull an object towards you. It was a new thing the Force could do, introduced in a sequel. The whole, "How could they see the Starkiller Base blast from where they were," is a real big "Who the hell cares?" moment for me. It's like when Neil Degrasse Tyson puts out an article about the scientific inaccuracies of The Force Awakens. Pencils down, NGT, who the hell cares?
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thrawn527 posted:Being able to use the dark side of the force to literally choke the life out of someone is wildly different than using telekinesis to pull an object towards you. What do you think he's choking them with if not telekinesis?
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thrawn527 posted:The whole, "How could they see the Starkiller Base blast from where they were," is a real big "Who the hell cares?" moment for me. It's like when Neil Degrasse Tyson puts out an article about the scientific inaccuracies of The Force Awakens. Pencils down, NGT, who the hell cares? Agreed on this. I have my nitpicks about Force Awakens but I when that happened in my mind I was just like "drat these energy blast things are loving gigantic" without trying to calculate the exact distance of everything and how that would work in real life or whatever.
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Varam posted:What do you think he's choking them with if not telekinesis? Fear.
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