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Neo Rasa posted:Agreed on this. I have my nitpicks about Force Awakens but I when that happened in my mind I was just like "drat these energy blast things are loving gigantic" without trying to calculate the exact distance of everything and how that would work in real life or whatever. It's not about "calculating the exact distance". It's just dumb writing for them to be able to look up and see the Republic planet getting blown away if they were that close. Just having the planets situated all willy nilly is just lazy. It breaks the internal rules of the universe. Star Wars has fantasy elements but it still generally follows like real world rules and logic. You don't see people hanging out in space without oxygen masks for example. But keep defending lazy filmmaking. These companies are gonna make the billions regardless its just some of us wanted a better movie but apparently we shouldn't even be allowed to ask for that or question JJ's decisions.
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Sep 15, 2017 06:25
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It's a new kind of thing that has the attribute of being able to see it from very great distances. What's hard about that? The film's got plenty of problems - why focus on the one thing about that plot point that isn't one?
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Sep 15, 2017 07:11
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Bongo Bill posted:It's a new kind of thing that has the attribute of being able to see it from very great distances. What's hard about that? The film's got plenty of problems - why focus on the one thing about that plot point that isn't one? Finn looks up as sees hosnia exploding and instantly shouts "its the republic!" First of all there is no way they should have been able to see Hosnia from the planet there on and second how the gently caress would Finn know that was the republic capital? Oh I know how: lazy storytelling. The story needed an excuse for Finn to suddenly go back to han and Rey after running away wanting nothing to do with them a few minutes prior
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Sep 15, 2017 10:08
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Mr President posted:Finn looks up as sees hosnia exploding and instantly shouts "its the republic!" He knew about the planet-busting super weapon the FO built and he knew about the FO's hateboner for the Republic, what else could it have been?
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Sep 15, 2017 10:24
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Mr President posted:Finn looks up as sees hosnia exploding and instantly shouts "its the republic!" Look buddy what school did you learn your superluminal physics at ? 'Cuse you got it all wrong .
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Sep 15, 2017 12:44
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Don't be ridiculous, his hair would have turned white and shot straight out of that happened. quote:First of all there is no way they should have been able to see Hosnia from the planet there on and second how the gently caress would Finn know that was the republic capital? It's a real mystery how the guy who was stationed on the laser planet base with the guy who kept shouting about how he would use the laser planet to blow up the republic capital figured out that the laser planet blew up the republic capital
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Sep 15, 2017 13:29
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The reason Leia losing political power for being related to Darth Vader was cut is that it's incredibly contrived. Who'd she tell? Did Han tell someone? Did the space-tabloids get ahold of it? Is Dexter Jettster in his space cafe reading about the Leia heritage scandal?
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Sep 15, 2017 13:45
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Snoke would have known. Probably.
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Sep 15, 2017 13:46
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josh04 posted:The reason Leia losing political power for being related to Darth Vader was cut is that it's incredibly contrived. Who'd she tell? Did Han tell someone? Did the space-tabloids get ahold of it? Is Dexter Jettster in his space cafe reading about the Leia heritage scandal? Yeah, there's maybe six people in the Galaxy that know about this. Unless there was some real, concrete proof it'd be easily dismissed as a rumour. The Organa family is dead, but there'd be other Alderraanians (?) who would vouch that she's an Organa (despite not at all looking like she's related Jimmy Smits.)
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Sep 15, 2017 13:51
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Snoke operation to discredit and weaken leia makes a lot of sense . Something different probably happened in the book.
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Sep 15, 2017 13:53
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Bail left a message for Leia revealing her true parentage, a "open in the event of my death" type thing. The message was presumed lost with Alderaan, but resurfaced during the events of the novel Bloodline, and was viewed by someone else who tried to use it to score political points against Leia. If I recall correctly, even that person was a bit shocked at the harsh reaction. The intent was to discredit leia in the context of one argument, not ostracize her so completely.
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edit: ^^^ God dammit. In the book, someone finds a hologram Bail Organa left for Leia explaining who her real father was, in the case of his death. This is in a box of things left for Leia, but instead found by a political rival. The hologram is played in the Senate shortly after Leia is nominated for Chancellor. Coming from Bail himself pushes it beyond rumor.
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Sep 15, 2017 13:59
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It's a mode of scandal specific to a stable, liberal democracy where politicians depend on the tide of popular opinion to maintain legitimacy. Revolutionary governments and new republics that have just finished shredding the vestiges of the old order hold their own authority. Leia is a decorated war hero and leader who just personally assisted in ending the empire. Why would scatty rumours about her biological descent out-weigh that? Are the new senate that wild about bloodlines?
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Sep 15, 2017 14:01
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josh04 posted:It's a mode of scandal specific to a stable, liberal democracy where politicians depend on the tide of popular opinion to maintain legitimacy. Revolutionary governments and new republics that have just finished shredding the vestiges of the old order hold their own authority. Leia is a decorated war hero and leader who just personally assisted in ending the empire. Why would scatty rumours about her biological descent out-weigh that? Are the new senate that wild about bloodlines? As stated just now, it's more than just rumors, there's video of her adopted father saying it. And Vader hosed up a lot of people. The idea that she could, in theory, be trying to claim power in order to start her own Empire seems a little more likely when you find out she's the daughter of an evil space wizard responsible countless deaths in the last Empire. That's the way it's used as a wedge, that her run for Chancellor she's kicking off is super scary considering who her father is. Of course it's not fair, but it comes at the absolute worst time, people don't always react rationally, and she never fully recovers. There's a documentary called Hitler's children that goes into the relatives of Hitler and how they tried to go on and live their lives in a world where the name Hitler became synonymous with evil. One of them chose to castrate himself so he wouldn't pass on the burden to his own children.
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Leia also decides to try to get ahead of the speculation by basically saying "yes, I'm Vader'a daughter" which people take as declaration of intent to basically turn the Republic into the Empire 2.0...despite her also saying "why are we judging people on the sins of their fathers?"
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Sep 15, 2017 14:17
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I have a feeling that will come up more in the last Jedi.
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thrawn527 posted:As stated just now, it's more than just rumors, there's video of her adopted father saying it. And Vader hosed up a lot of people. The idea that she could, in theory, be trying to claim power in order to start her own Empire seems a little more likely when you find out she's the daughter of an evil space wizard responsible countless deaths in the last Empire. That's the way it's used as a wedge, that her run for Chancellor she's kicking off is super scary considering who her father is. Of course it's not fair, but it comes at the absolute worst time, people don't always react rationally, and she never fully recovers. This might make sense if the truth had come out before the destruction of Death Star 2, but Leia has already seized power in a violent coup, with her faction, the rebel alliance. Who are these people who are influential enough to have power in the new republic, but also disconnected enough from Leia that a VHS of her father talking about adoption is enough to sway their opinion of her? Or if it's a cynical takedown of a political rival, who are these rivals and what does it say of the character of the new republic that it's already descended into petty factional infighting? It's an explanation which prompts far more questions than it answers, and in its absence the conclusion drawn works much better: Leia, a war leader, is unsuited to peacetime government and has exiled herself to knocking down tinpot dictators at the far end of the galaxy because that's what she's good at.
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euphronius posted:I have a feeling that will come up more in the last Jedi. Most likely. Rian Johnson collaborated with the Story Group and the author to make sure certain stuff ended up in Bloodline.
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Sep 15, 2017 14:24
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josh04 posted:This might make sense if the truth had come out before the destruction of Death Star 2, but Leia has already seized power in a violent coup, with her faction, the rebel alliance. People wonder if she could be heading the same route as Palpatine, who used the system of the Republic itself to seize power in a long game. And the entire point is that the Republic isn't in a very good shape at all. The book takes place about 24 years after the fall of Palpatine, and the whole "war hero" thing is starting to lose it's currency. The Senate is split between two political parties, and tensions between the two parties have risen to a dangerous level. And this all happens after a bombing in a Senate conference building, causing both sides to accuse each other, making things worse. It's a rather cynical book, actually, making it seem like they replaced the Empire with a Republic just as ripe for the taking as the last one. Granted, I have no idea how you get into all of THAT in the movie. But since Rian Johnson was involved, I imagine some of it may come up in The Last Jedi. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 14:34
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The Resistance is hiring Benocio Del Toro to slice into Snoke's social media accounts and like hardcore incest porn holonet videos.
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Sep 15, 2017 15:28
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She's Vader's daughter, but she's also Padme's and, by adoption, Organa's. Does having 3 good parents outweigh one really bad one?
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Sep 15, 2017 15:35
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Leia becoming Empress but not evil was a thing rumored for these last two movies even way before Force Awakens was released. Then the rumor (this was before she passed away) was that she was going to be incapacitated or otherwise not around for XIII but then play a huge role in IX as a behind the scenes making moves kind of character. So it would be interesting they're still going with that's a mix of both.
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Perhaps they'll bring back Jimmy Smits?????
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Episode IX will feature Leia, just in a slightly different form
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The Republic, regardless of which one, is always afflicted with the flaws and vulnerabilities of real-world democratic systems, because that's what it's there to represent.
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Sep 15, 2017 17:00
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I still refuse to believe that Snoke isn't going to end up being some form of fan service.
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Basebf555 posted:I still refuse to believe that Snoke isn't going to end up being some form of fan service. The way our information about him is limited, it seems likely there's some surprise for us in store about him. The only possible ways I can see them going are that he's either someone we already know or have already heard of in the OT, or he's a Wizard of Oz type fraud who doesn't really actually know anything about using the Dark Side beyond book knowledge. I can't see any answer to the former that makes sense, so I'm leaning toward the latter. -He's not a Sidious clone because he doesn't look anything like Sidious, and surely the story group isn't desperate enough to start grave robbing yet -He's not Darth Plagueis because who cares -He's not a Rebels character because who cares I guess the most reasonable reveal would be that he was Luke's first Jedi apprentice, in which case he probably covertly corrupted Ben Solo and several of Luke's other trainees while serving as a teacher at Luke's Jedi School. Probably got hosed up by Luke when the Knights of Ren revealed themselves. General Dog fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 17:25
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I just want him to actually be a giant like he is in that hologram.
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Sep 15, 2017 17:37
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I have a feeling we're gonna find out like 15 years from now that he actually was planned as Plagueis but then Disney changed it up once the internet correctly guessed that within 10 minutes of the movie's release.
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It's kind of depressing how everything the heroes worked and sacrificed for went up in flames as soon as the credits rolled in RotJ. The New Republic from what little we've been shown of it is some ineffectual corrupt Space UN that can't even last 30 years, the Jedi are destroyed before they're even back off the ground, and the Empire just rebranded and is still building Death Stars. I'm not saying everything should have been perfect forever and the sequels consist of the Skywalker family BBQ but at least make it seem like our heroes achieved anything in the originals. I get enough of this kind of stuff reading the news.
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Sep 15, 2017 17:53
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The New Republic is so toothless because of people like Aleexx Jonos and Sha-han Hanittee complaining about the Galaxyist agenda.
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galagazombie posted:It's kind of depressing how everything the heroes worked and sacrificed for went up in flames as soon as the credits rolled in RotJ. The New Republic from what little we've been shown of it is some ineffectual corrupt Space UN that can't even last 30 years, the Jedi are destroyed before they're even back off the ground, and the Empire just rebranded and is still building Death Stars. I'm not saying everything should have been perfect forever and the sequels consist of the Skywalker family BBQ but at least make it seem like our heroes achieved anything in the originals. I get enough of this kind of stuff reading the news. It didn't go up in flames if you look at the new series as movies created by a massive corporation created for the purpose of making money rather than telling a story.  Not saying you should look at it that way, but the cannon, to you, can always be Lucas' original vision.
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In the sequel era, it is now clearer than ever that the Emperor Sheev Palpatine was truly a phantom menace.
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galagazombie posted:It's kind of depressing how everything the heroes worked and sacrificed for went up in flames as soon as the credits rolled in RotJ. The New Republic from what little we've been shown of it is some ineffectual corrupt Space UN that can't even last 30 years, the Jedi are destroyed before they're even back off the ground, and the Empire just rebranded and is still building Death Stars. I'm not saying everything should have been perfect forever and the sequels consist of the Skywalker family BBQ but at least make it seem like our heroes achieved anything in the originals. I get enough of this kind of stuff reading the news. War....War never changes.
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Basebf555 posted:I still refuse to believe that Snoke isn't going to end up being some form of fan service. Snoke's going to have some rude titties and the cgi jiggle physics will be on point.
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well why not posted:She's Vader's daughter, but she's also Padme's and, by adoption, Organa's. Does having 3 good parents outweigh one really bad one? Now I want a Star Wars version of Maury. "Vader, you ARE the father!"
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Sep 15, 2017 19:37
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Vader is not her father . Anakin is.
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Huzanko posted:It didn't go up in flames if you look at the new series as movies created by a massive corporation created for the purpose of making money rather than telling a story. This is such a nice and oft-repeated sentiment with such an ugly solipsism behind it.
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