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Grondoth posted:If I was Hillary I would've fuckin' committed suicide. She's spent her whole life preparing to be president, and hosed it up to Trump? Boom. Dead. if she killed herself how would she be redeemed with her 2020 victory
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loquacius posted:TBF this was the Clinton strategy in '16 it's also why liberals are so enamoured with the idea that education will rid the world of racism and the like. children are a clean slate. but once someone becomes tarnished by doing a racism or voting republican, they're written off forever. and that's a whole lotta people to write off.
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fun idea im having, lets stop talking about living secret service protectees having tragic unnatural deaths
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Grondoth posted:The press wouldn't have been able to believe it. They would not have been able to believe Hillary committed suicide. How could she have done that? How could she have committed suicide? They couldn't have helped Hillary out of that one. Can you tell me the name of your medical dispensary that allows you to believe Clinton got favorably biased press coverage?
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zegermans posted:Can you tell me the name of your medical dispensary that allows you to believe Clinton got favorably biased press coverage? ______________/ 
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Squizzle posted:______________/ OMG
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zegermans posted:ayo did anyone order the piping hot take? that is certainly an interesting take on her writing a book where she blamed him for making her lose an election he wasn't in R. Mute posted:liberals don't believe that people can change or change their minds. that's why to them, republicans will only switch if the dems essentially become the republicans. that's why more militant liberals will get super upset when you suggest that maybe genociding every non-dem voter isn't the best idea - they honestly cannot fathom anything other than utter capitulation as a way of appealing to non-dem voters. I still talk to people every so often who think the only way forward for the Dems is to abolish the electoral college so rural votes count less as though you could get enough of a government majority to abolish the electoral college without winning some red states first It's a really cynical and defeatist attitude that people settle on because if good things aren't possible they're absolved of having to work for them and yeah also a lot of the hillaryman attitude in 2016 can be summed up as "if you don't already agree with me you are a Bad Person and not worth my time oh no why am I losing" zegermans posted:Can you tell me the name of your medical dispensary that allows you to believe Clinton got favorably biased press coverage? The "liberal media" was absolutely Clinton's friend during the primary but succumbed to the siren call of tabloid journalism money during the general
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Sep 15, 2017 15:00
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loquacius posted:I still talk to people every so often who think the only way forward for the Dems is to abolish the electoral college so rural votes count less They're not wrong as far the electoral college needing to go, but you can't win elections on "we need to reform the electoral college"
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Sep 15, 2017 15:09
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the electoral college is performing its correct function. but trying to win people over is hard lol
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Sep 15, 2017 15:12
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R. Mute posted:liberals don't believe that people can change or change their minds. that's why to them, republicans will only switch if the dems essentially become the republicans. that's why more militant liberals will get super upset when you suggest that maybe genociding every non-dem voter isn't the best idea - they honestly cannot fathom anything other than utter capitulation as a way of appealing to non-dem voters. everything makes a lot more sense when you understand this
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Sep 15, 2017 15:13
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gradenko_2000 posted:They're not wrong as far the electoral college needing to go, but you can't win elections on "we need to reform the electoral college" Right, it's an end, not a means We need to win over the Midwest and we can't do that by promising to make their votes count less
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comedyblissoption posted:the liberal political and pundit class dont actually believe anything like that anymore. they only believe in courting the capitalist class and only then getting votes from the rubes so that they become the favored party of capital to paraphrase matt christman, human history only makes sense when you realize capital, not humanity, is the protagonist
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Sep 15, 2017 15:15
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you dont need a constitutional amendment to base the electoral outcome on popular votes instead of the current setup. you just need states with a majority of the electoral votes to legally bind themselves to pledge for the popular vote winner. this can all be done at the state level. of course, this is still such a stupid and ridiculous endeavor and ignores the fundamental reasons why the democratic party is in the shitter. the primary reasons definitely do not include the electoral college
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comedyblissoption posted:you just need states with a majority of the electoral votes to legally bind themselves to pledge for the popular vote winner. this can all be done at the state level. Yeah well you need to win state legislatures to do that, which lmao good loving luck. If HRC were POTUS, enough states'd go red that she'd be dealing with a Constitutional Convention to enforce a balanced budget and a repeal of the 13th Amendment.
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Yeah you need state governments to get a Constitutional Convention and to make a majority of states change their laws. Either way making those states' votes worth less is not a good campaign platform.
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Sep 15, 2017 15:23
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Squizzle posted:______________/ ironically, if zegermans lurked more he would still have his zergling av
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Sep 15, 2017 15:26
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Has someone made a joke like : she was 'neera' to success
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Sep 15, 2017 15:30
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having 2 senators/state plus a minimum 1 house rep w a capped total house size gives rural voters outsize influence in the federal govt w/o also giving them such disproportionate say in the prez election thats not even factoring in things like gerrymandering or the ordering of primaries, which also serve to limit the power of the nations major cities
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Sep 15, 2017 15:31
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Let's not forget the influence of local breweries and ice creameries.
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zeal posted:ironically, if zegermans lurked more he would still have his zergling av quotasaurocock is an acceptable tradeoff for the LF tags
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Squizzle posted:having 2 senators/state plus a minimum 1 house rep w a capped total house size gives rural voters outsize influence in the federal govt w/o also giving them such disproportionate say in the prez election Wyoming's rep represents half the people that any single one of California's do.
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Sep 15, 2017 15:39
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Good to see California taking a stand for releasing your tax returns if you want to run for President, should weed out corrupt and narcissistic sabotuers like Sanders.
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Sep 15, 2017 15:59
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It never stops being impressive that media covering the news was considered "biased coverage" aimed at Clinton. The whole pundit class gushed all over her, they gave her detractors all the epithets they could muster, they condescendingly invited her non-supporters to their talk shows to talk down to them and explain why she was a good candidate... But that apparently wasn't enough!
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bennyfranks posted:Good to see California taking a stand for releasing your tax returns if you want to run for President, should weed out corrupt and narcissistic sabotuers like Sanders. im mad now 
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steinrokkan posted:It never stops being impressive that media covering the news was considered "biased coverage" aimed at Clinton. The whole pundit class gushed all over her, they gave her detractors all the epithets they could muster, they condescendingly invited her non-supporters to their talk shows to talk down to them and explain why she was a good candidate...  the media shouldnt cover a high profile criminal investigation of a presidential candidate
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Sep 15, 2017 16:02
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if you switched to natl popular vote for electing potus, and made the house scale to population (ofc keeping the 1 rep minimum), did away w gerrymandering, forced states to provide fair and convenient access to polling places, and changed the ordering of primary contests if you did all of that rural states would still have a greatly disproportionate say in the executive branch thanks to the senates authority over prez appointments, not to mention the implementation of prez agenda thru the legislative process
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Squizzle posted:if you switched to natl popular vote for electing potus, and made the house scale to population (ofc keeping the 1 rep minimum), did away w gerrymandering, forced states to provide fair and convenient access to polling places, and changed the ordering of primary contests
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Sep 15, 2017 16:14
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rn the process is bent in favor of rural voters at every stage and level
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comedyblissoption posted:simple solution just get rid of the senate and just have the house bingbong so simple nah if you corrected all that other stuff the senate would be a goodand sufficient check on the power of population centers
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Sep 15, 2017 16:16
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it's almost as if the constitution was written to give disproportionate influence to less populous states
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Sep 15, 2017 16:16
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Everyone should be forced to live in high rises in ten big cities and the rest of the country should be turned into unconstitutional national parks. - Someone's unironic proposal, probably
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comedyblissoption posted:simple solution just get rid of the senate and just have the house bingbong so simple Just one house with the same representation rule as the New Hampshire House of Representatives
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Sep 15, 2017 16:18
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why i hope warren just stays in the senate part the million https://twitter.com/b_fung/status/908710512099299328
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Sep 15, 2017 16:19
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zegermans posted:Can you tell me the name of your medical dispensary that allows you to believe Clinton got favorably biased press coverage? Who do you think got more positive coverage?
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Vox Nihili posted:Who do you think got more positive coverage? Jeb!
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docbeard posted:Everyone should be forced to live in high rises in ten big cities and the rest of the country should be turned into unconstitutional national parks. only if we ban golf courses
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Joementum posted:why i hope warren just stays in the senate part the million Can she get rid of the fees like really soon
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Vox Nihili posted:Who do you think got more positive coverage? For an unserious, selfish leech on the Democratic Party, Sanders was given extremely kind coverage. The fact that he was called a Democrat at all speaks to that.
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Joementum posted:why i hope warren just stays in the senate part the million I mean, you could say this same thing about hoping Bernie just stays in the Senate with a link to his single-payer bill. I've been done saying Warren should have a Harry-Reid-style career instead of trying for the Presidency since they gave Reid's job to Schumer. If a Warren presidency was accompanied by a left-populist wave of Sanderista legislative elections, theoretically she could set the congressional agenda to get a whole bunch of bills like this introduced all the time The President usually has sway over their party unless they're Trump-level unpopular.
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bennyfranks posted:For an unserious, selfish leech on the Democratic Party, Sanders was given extremely kind coverage. The fact that he was called a Democrat at all speaks to that. source ur quotes
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