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alpha_destroy posted:https://twitter.com/SarahSpain/status/908845565424873473 gently caress this guy too.
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Chilichimp posted:KM... got... the receipts? Yeah, I'll admit I went overboard on that one but gently caress that guy. Anyone who still has a soul and wants to know how loving hosed our society is from top to bottom: volunteer as a peer counselor for low/no income people. If you have or had any delusions that we lived in a just meritocracy it will be shattered within hours.
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Jaxyon posted:Jesus Christ do you have a poo poo opinion on literally everything? I tried to warn people
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Dead Reckoning posted:What the gently caress. I work in EMS and I probably have more regular contact with the chronically homeless than 90% of the posters here, but if I say, "'beep boop, give homeless people a home, so simple' isn't a a panacea and fails to address their underlying issues in many cases" it is apparently some Randian prescription for mulching the poor into soylent. Nobody said giving people the homeless was a panacea they said it was a starting point and given your other poo poo opinions you making a strawman isn't really a surprise so don't act all shocked.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 03:47 |
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I worked in EMS as well so let me tell you my expert opinion... We should in fact give homeless people homes
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Dead Reckoning posted:What the gently caress. I work in EMS and I probably have more regular contact with the chronically homeless than 90% of the posters here, but if I say, "'beep boop, give homeless people a home, so simple' isn't a a panacea and fails to address their underlying issues in many cases" it is apparently some Randian prescription for mulching the poor into soylent. The problem is that multiple posters have pointed out that giving people an actual address, a safe place to sleep, and a place to clean up is a really great starting point for solving those other issues, and is a good fix in and of itself for people who don't have those issues. That not physically having a home compounds all the other problems they may have and makes treatment much more difficult. There are studies on this and everything, even posted in this very thread! And yet you insist on going "but that doesn't fix everything therefore," when that's not even what people are arguing. Since you seem to not be getting it, this is why people are treating your opinions (and you) like poo poo, because you are ignoring the posts that address your counterpoints and instead using the people getting frustrated with your line of non-argument as an excuse for you to become even more uselessly combative. Your argument basically seems to be "because there are all these other problems that need fixing, and this solution doesn't solve all of them at once, we cannot use this solution," which is bad and dumb. If you could make even the first step of "okay that's a start and would help some people but we also need to do X Y and Z and make sure policymakers don't treat this as a cure-all" then people would maybe stop acting like you are an empathy-less robot.
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Not only did I work in EMS I worked in EMS after Katrina and I volunteer and worked at a homeless shelter for several years ( and in fact will be starting back again now that I am out of school). So like I got like DOUBLE the points you have in knowing how to deal with people who are homeless.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 04:14 |
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Kill the rich and let hobos take up in their tacky mansions.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 04:45 |
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My economic development plan and plan to end homelessness are one and the same in my tower of perpetual socialism.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 04:48 |
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i work in the finance business sales industry so you could say i'm somewhat of an expert on homelessness and i say grind their bones and offal into gruel to feed to the other peons and write it off as charity to reduce our tax burden even further
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Calibanibal posted:Kill the rich and let hobos take up in their tacky mansions. Only if the mcmansion blogger takes off houses that homeless take possession of.
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Are we talking about Housing First experience in here? I was a street based outreach worker and therapist for people with mental illness who were rough sleeping, using drugs in chaotic and harmful ways, and then a therapist for people in that population who got into supportive housing. We employed a Housing First model in the various agencies I've worked. It's definitely possible to recover from homelessness and mental Illnesses and trauma and addiction. It takes a lot of hard work, and not everyone gets there, but it's possible. Edit: I have a lot of Housing First stories (like how often do you think newly housed folks lose their keys? Answer: so often!) but I'm on mobile and sleepy and will have to type with a proper keyboard later. E2: read back further. How much pride do you think newly housed folks have in their homes? So. Much. Pride. Being invited into the homes of clients who were formerly homeless has been a tremendous honor and privilege in my life. WrenP-Complete fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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WrenP-Complete posted:Are we talking about Housing First experience in here? I was a street based outreach worker and therapist for people with mental illness who were rough sleeping, using drugs in chaotic and harmful ways, and then a therapist for people in that population who got into supportive housing. Rather than free-standing homes, would something like a managed care apartments with varying degrees of independence as they show the ability to handle it work? Each tenant would have a room, and weekly maid service with linens as necessary. Community dining with an option for in-room cooking as independence increases. As they begin to work, 25% of income goes to "rent", however much they make to help them develop the habit of paying it (also builds the credit score). Medical and mental health staff available to meet those needs. Social workers to oversee cases and keep them all moving forward. Everyone moving toward getting out and completely independent, to free up space for new tenants - maybe a soft 2-year time limit, which could be extended indefinitely in individual cases as needed. Further developed group homes for people still learning to cope with independence, but maybe 4 or 6 to a house with a social worker/house mother to keep it going, again as the continue to gain the skills needed to keep a home of their own. Eventual complete graduation and independence. That's been my vision for a program I would like to see. Would be any good? Any critiques? It seems to me like a workable plan that I would like to try getting into motion eventually around here. Please shoot it full of holes whereever you can! I want it to get to a stage where I'm confident it would work.
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Wait.. what if we built houses out of the homeless !!! I know it's crazy but it might just work.
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Deteriorata posted:Rather than free-standing homes, would something like a managed care apartments with varying degrees of independence as they show the ability to handle it work? First off, thank you for working on these ideas. We need a lot of good people to make this world a better place and good on you for inviting criticism. Second, have you talked to any people who have experienced homelessness about your ideas? Spent time in managed care facilities and shelters? That could be some important perspective. Last, I have a ton of literature about this sort of thing, what's been tested and what works. It sounds like your idea is a mixture of two or more provision models, I would need to take a closer look to answer in more detail. Happy to work with you on it to tomorrow/Sunday.
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my fiancé was telling me of a program where they just give rooms with a lock to homeless people and even that makes a big difference. just having somewhere to safely secure your things, sleep, be safe, be away from drug use, and get off the streets when you need to can make a huge difference in these peoples' lives.
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Is it just me or is Saint Louis on fire, and rightly so?
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Deteriorata posted:Rather than free-standing homes, would something like a managed care apartments with varying degrees of independence as they show the ability to handle it work? This sounds a lot like Haven for the Homeless in Houston, theres an A/T thread about it from a former resident. Though from what it sounded like it was very much not a proactive program*, you had to work to be accepted into it and work hard to transition out. *Possibly just due to lack of space and funds
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Office Pig posted:Is it just me or is Saint Louis on fire, and rightly so? gently caress the cards.
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Mustached Demon posted:gently caress the cards. https://twitter.com/kodacohen/status/908831426694479874
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Koalas March posted:Anyone who still has a soul and wants to know how loving hosed our society is from top to bottom: volunteer as a peer counselor for low/no income people. Pardon my ignorance, but what is this and should I actually do it? Mustached Demon posted:gently caress the cards. Excuse me, the Cardinals officially ended racism in St. Louis in 1964.
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KiteAuraan posted:So like, did they choose today on purpose to be white supremacist shits or something? Because September 15th is some pretty bad loving timing to accidentally tell black people that their lives don't matter in the USA. A few pages back but possibly yes. Supposedly they delayed the verdict a day or two to give police time to prepare for protests.
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skylined! posted:interestingly, as already noted, a fixed address for a homeless person seems to solve the problem of homelessness. I never have had a substance abuse problem, but I have dealt with every other problem in that list. I would like to assure the poster that started this homeless derail that it is simply not realistic to expect a person to do something as intensely painful as the kind of therapy it takes to cope with severe PTSD while also being homeless. I was homeless because of a combination of mental illness, being raised in a cult, and my own hubris. When I was living in a homeless shelter I started therapy, and five years later I am still in therapy. Except for a few 1-2 month long breaks here and there I have remained in therapy that entire time. During that time I have progressed through living through several stages of better shelters before eventually getting my own apartment with medical supervision, and then now presently living fully on my own. The therapy that allowed me to live fully independently did not begin to occur until I was living in a regular apartment under supervision. I needed my own apartment (I needed the supervision too) as a prerequisite to do the kind of intense therapy that has allowed me to get to my present level of functioning. If I had remained homeless I would never have been able to do that therapy, and it would honestly have been unsafe for me to do so. Things I have explored in therapy have left me literally bedridden with either depression or almost nonstop flashbacks for days (weeks once or twice) at a time. While that sounds extreme, its just what I do to do in order to make progress in my recovery. There is simply no way I could have ever done that while homeless, nor would I have had the inclination to.
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I'm the white guy nervously peeking out from behind a door clutching my vape
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PerniciousKnid posted:Pardon my ignorance, but what is this and should I actually do it? It's just a normal person who gives advice or other assistance to someone. The whole point is that the people you're counseling see someone who's like them (or like what they want to be) giving advice. Whether you should do it or not is up to you. You'll be helping people for sure, but it can definitely take a toll on you.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 06:43 |
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Hooray this thread is back! Are there any candidates for Maine Governor that are closely linked with Bernie?
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RaySmuckles posted:my fiancé was telling me of a program where they just give rooms with a lock to homeless people and even that makes a big difference. Having an actual residence also makes it shitloads easier to get a job. Grouchio posted:Hooray this thread is back! Susan Collins and Bernie have known each other for years and hang out all the time. Gyges fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Communist Zombie posted:This sounds a lot like Haven For Hope in San Antonio, theres an A/T thread about it from a former resident. Though from what it sounded like it was very much not a proactive program*, you had to work to be accepted into it and work hard to transition out. Fixed that for you, also I am said goon. Haven for Hope is a complicated place, proactivness is definitely singled out and rewarded, but probably not in the ways you are thinking though. What proactivness and effort looks like in an individual with mental illness/addiction is kind of a complicated topic unless you have spent a bunch of time around said individuals. On Members Side an individual clients case/circumstances is heavily factored into every decision. I knew some people who were so mentally ill that they were literally children for whom a great deal of effort was extended in helping them because they really did not have culpability for their actions. (One of these individuals was in particular a gigantic pain who brought chaos into every program he touched.) I saw another individual who only made it 3 days on Members Side before being kicked out. That gentlemen was 21 years old, able bodied, of sound mind, had no discernible personality disorder, but just refused to either work or abide by anyone's rules. He should have listened when they warned him that they expected him to show up to his mandatory meetings with his newly assigned job coach. In general Members Side tries to fill their beds with either people who have the most desperate need or people who will work the hardest to get out of homelessness. They are willing to work with people at pretty much any point they are at, but Members Side has a waiting list and is more than happy to open a bed up for someone who wants to take advantage of things. I lived on Members Side for nearly two years and I can think of at least 10 or so I saw get kicked out for simply being lazy and refusing to make progress in their case.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Pardon my ignorance, but what is this and should I actually do it? Hash tag best fans St Louis.
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logosanatic posted:my instincts say hes grabbing a gun to plant. but just looking at the video from a evidence perspective i dont know what he has in his hand treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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RuanGacho posted:My economic development plan and plan to end homelessness are one and the same in my tower of perpetual socialism.
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Yes only with the eye of Sauron on top.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/...WT.nav=top-newsquote:C.I.A. Wants Authority to Conduct Drone Strikes in Afghanistan for the First Time you know, i often find myself hoping, whenever the US makes a decision, that the Eternal gently caress Up Division of the government has more of a hand in it. what could go wrong.
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Hollismason posted:Wait.. what if we built houses out of the homeless !!! I know it's crazy but it might just work.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 11:47 |
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PJ, you may have posted this before but I'm going to ask anyway: how exactly did you come to find the SA forums?
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Xae posted:Bernie turned down joining the party for 30+ years. He then joined the party, ran for leadership on a platform of making GBS threads on the party, lost then left the party. lmbo imagine believing this. "What do we want?" "A ruling elite that stifles debate and awards leadership positions for seniority and personal loyalty over ability and vision!" "When do we want it?" "Don't question us, questions sound like criticism which must be banned from our insulted bubble where our warmed-over 90s corporatism maintains its illusion of sensibility and wonkishness!" *Loses every level of government to a tangerine pussy grabbing rapist*
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PerniciousKnid posted:Pardon my ignorance, but what is this and should I actually do it? Please, please do it. Peer to peer counseling is basically what it sounds like. It varies from place to place (I used to do it at Team Mental Health, if you're a Michigoon I'd start there) but they'll give you some training and you talk to people about their anxiety/depression/etc as a counselor. TMH in Michigan serves the very poor. Many people there live in group homes, have substance abuse issues etc but they used to offer great services (like their social workers would offer transportation) group therapy, there's a doc on-site at almost all times etc. I haven't been there in a few years though so idk how much has changed but they have a high employee turnover because the work is so loving depressing, I'm sure they always need volunteers.
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VitalSigns posted:lmbo imagine believing this. It's almost like his allegiance lies with something other than the ~~party~~.... But what could it be??
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Lol @ Democrats saying Bernie isn't a real Democrat like that's a bad thing
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Inescapable Duck posted:Lol @ Democrats saying Bernie isn't a real Democrat like that's a bad thing Shut the gently caress up there's like 3 threads for that dumb poo poo
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