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fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
maybe i should write it inaccurately on purpose just to piss off the fox loving experts cuz seriously gently caress those guys, am i right?

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Safety Biscuits
Oct 21, 2010

I'd say watching a couple of foxes getting it on is more of a leisure activity than research, you know what I mean?

FormerPoster
Aug 5, 2004

Hair Elf
It's your story, don't be afraid to let foxes gently caress the way you want them to.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022




Make sure that your foxes use the missionary position

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
did i mention that one of the foxes is also stuck in a trap?

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

fridge corn posted:

did i mention that one of the foxes is also stuck in a trap?

So it's Furry Torture Porn Fan Fic.

Got it.

crabrock
Aug 2, 2002

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it's not really about how the foxes gently caress, it's about the emotions that are going on while they gently caress. you don't have to describe all the details of fox loving if you explore your character's reaction to the fox loving.

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Bobby ran into the forest and was immediately treated to the site of two of his mom's coats tussling with each other. "Oh I guess those are in real life foxes," he said, watching them loving. He had never seen foxes gently caress before, and he thought back to all the times he had watched himself gently caress in a mirror, and how similar it seemed, because of all the body hair.

crabrock fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Sep 15, 2017

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep
Is this a scene from that Dafoe movie where the fox snaps its jaws at him in slow motion

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
this but instead the kids are shouting "thats not how foxes gently caress!!"

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
Then the boy fox looked at Bobby and it was all matted fur and it said in a totally creepy voice, "Chaos...reigns"

HIJK posted:

Is this a scene from that Dafoe movie where the fox snaps its jaws at him in slow motion

Lol

Exmond
May 31, 2007

Writing is fun!

fridge corn posted:

you know what? writing is weird and kinda sucks. im writing a scene where a guy comes across two foxes loving in the woods and now i guess i have to watch a bunch of videos of foxes loving so i can describe it accurately???? 😰

Please make it an essential plot point that the foxes are loving

Stuporstar
May 5, 2008

Where do fists come from?
What do ya'll do when you notice you're using a particular word too much? I keep shoving "especially" into my sentences, can't think of any word that works better. I finally checked the thesaurus, and not a single word in there has the right emphasis or works in the same context. It's driving me crazy.

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep

Stuporstar posted:

What do ya'll do when you notice you're using a particular word too much? I keep shoving "especially" into my sentences, can't think of any word that works better. I finally checked the thesaurus, and not a single word in there has the right emphasis or works in the same context. It's driving me crazy.

Flip the two halves of the sentence and come up with a different structure.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Stuporstar posted:

What do ya'll do when you notice you're using a particular word too much? I keep shoving "especially" into my sentences, can't think of any word that works better. I finally checked the thesaurus, and not a single word in there has the right emphasis or works in the same context. It's driving me crazy.

i fukken love the word quite and will quite you to the death over my overusage of it

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Stuporstar posted:

What do ya'll do when you notice you're using a particular word too much? I keep shoving "especially" into my sentences, can't think of any word that works better. I finally checked the thesaurus, and not a single word in there has the right emphasis or works in the same context. It's driving me crazy.

Especially is easy to replace with some other word.

SHRUG on the other hand. What the hell English language, how hard is it to come up with another word? (he asked, his shoulders bobbing)

flerp
Feb 25, 2014

Stuporstar posted:

What do ya'll do when you notice you're using a particular word too much? I keep shoving "especially" into my sentences, can't think of any word that works better. I finally checked the thesaurus, and not a single word in there has the right emphasis or works in the same context. It's driving me crazy.

i search for every instance of the word and then cut it out and then make the sentence work w/o the word.

FormerPoster
Aug 5, 2004

Hair Elf

Stuporstar posted:

What do ya'll do when you notice you're using a particular word too much? I keep shoving "especially" into my sentences, can't think of any word that works better. I finally checked the thesaurus, and not a single word in there has the right emphasis or works in the same context. It's driving me crazy.

I find a new favorite word and switch one addiction for another.

That's not a joke. It's a real bad habit :/

crabrock
Aug 2, 2002

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Especially and quite are garbage words. If you delete them your story will be 99.99% the same

I have to go back and delete "just" out of my stories

Al Cu Ad Solte
Nov 30, 2005
Searching for
a righteous cause
I have a note on my screen that reminds me to tell Especially, Actually, Simply, and Usually to go gently caress themselves.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022




How about particularly?

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

crabrock posted:

Especially and quite are garbage words. If you delete them your story will be 99.99% the same

I have to go back and delete "just" out of my stories

I'm agreeing with this. They sound natural and you put them in naturally but they don't add much unless you're going for a conversational style of prose. Even then, when you're going for a colloquial, naturally rambling style it's better to chose a few particularly standout sentences where their usage emphasizes the tone and voice than to shove them in everywhere.

In a lot of ways they're almost invisible as you read along, but only as the author because you're giving the words different attention than a reader. For a reader they'll come across as mealy mouthed and simply taking up space, at best. More often your story will read like the author is rambling in their storytelling and thought process, rather than just using a hesitant or rambling style of prose or voice.

Like crabrock said, "just," is another one, and others have added to the list as well as, there's also "only," and "really." Try and be more definitive in what you're saying even if you don't feel it in your thoughts as you're writing. It'll come across better to the reader.

Basically, think long and hard about a word that in some way qualifies another. If it can survive as definitive you're (probably) better off.

Stuporstar
May 5, 2008

Where do fists come from?

Mrenda posted:

I'm agreeing with this. They sound natural and you put them in naturally but they don't add much unless you're going for a conversational style of prose. Even then, when you're going for a colloquial, naturally rambling style it's better to chose a few particularly standout sentences where their usage emphasizes the tone and voice than to shove them in everywhere.

This is the problem. I'm writing in a conversational 1st person, and my own conversational habits are slipping in. Trying to rearrange sentences like these often leaves me feeling like they're not colloquial enough, but I'm convinced eliminating them will make my narrator sound like a better conversationalist than my own lazy self.

I also have problems with "only" and "just." They're definitely more frequent than "especially" but the latter stands out in a particularly annoying way. I have to purge it before it leaps off the page like J G Ballard's chronic use of "pudenda." I only wish I could get hung up on a more interesting word like that.

crabrock
Aug 2, 2002

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Just write your story leaving that poo poo in, and remove it in editing.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

crabrock posted:

Just write your story leaving that poo poo in, and remove it in editing.

I go with this.

You worry too much about your inflections invading your prose while you're writing, you'll never get anything done. You need to get the bones down before you can fuss with the meat.

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep
Finish writing a chapter or w/e and then do a ctrl + F + replace for whatever word is bothering you. Use a space. Then go back and re read it and see if there are any sentences that needed it. (You won't find any.)

CantDecideOnAName
Jan 1, 2012

And I understand if you ask
Was this life,
was this all?
As Mark Twain once said, "Substitute 'drat' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be."

My problem is the same in writing as in speech; I hedge my bets with 'probably' and its ilk. I'm trying to get better with this in both forms.

FormerPoster
Aug 5, 2004

Hair Elf

CantDecideOnAName posted:

As Mark Twain once said, "Substitute 'drat' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be."

My problem is the same in writing as in speech; I hedge my bets with 'probably' and its ilk. I'm trying to get better with this in both forms.

Seems is another big hedging word a lot of people could stand to eschew, myself included. It doesn't seem like it at first (there's that seem again! but writing and speech have a lot of differences. The way we're trained to talk to each other, we can intentionally put distance between ourselves and our actions/who we're talking to so we don't have to shoulder the responsibility of every action. Writing is different because you're supposed to make it as up close and immediate as possible (at least, in this current literary climate).

If you don't believe me, go look over work emails at whatever company you're at (or school emails if you're not working). People who don't want to be called on their bullshit will cling to passive voice and distancing phrases like they're the lone buoys in an ocean of personal responsibility. It's not a great habit for communicating, but it's safe when you care less about effective communication and more about keeping your job.

Stuporstar
May 5, 2008

Where do fists come from?

Burkion posted:

I go with this.

You worry too much about your inflections invading your prose while you're writing, you'll never get anything done. You need to get the bones down before you can fuss with the meat.

I'm doing a complete rewrite, so the bones are already there, but there's so little muscle to my draft zero it's more like writing a proper first draft rather than a second. Yeah, I'm letting myself get bogged down on the sentence level too early and spending too much pissing around. I know this well by now, yet I have to keep being reminded. Stupid brain

Exmond
May 31, 2007

Writing is fun!
I had a story for the Thunderdome where the basic structure is A character was being told a story. It kind of went


PRESENT TIME STUFF HAPPENS

CHARACTER SAYS STORY

PRESENT TIME STUFF HAPPENS

CHARACTER SAYS STORY


I had a lot of problem with tense issues. I was trying to make the present stuff be present tense and the story stuff is past tense. It really messed up with the story IMHO, was there a better way to present the story?

My entry is here if people want to give it a read through:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3803906&pagenumber=77#post476486211

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
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CantDecideOnAName
Jan 1, 2012

And I understand if you ask
Was this life,
was this all?
I just wanted to say that this weeks TD stuff had some stuff that was pretty hard to get through. Very grim, horrifying stuff. Posting this here because praise don't belong in the 'Dome.

To make it discussion-worthy, how do you write horror? Should you go for the stuff that freaks you out, or stuff that you know freaks other people out?

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I've quite enjoyed the Thunderdome this time around, but a large part of that is how much I love short horror stories. They're just about my favorite thing to read.


Speaking for myself, I try to go with something that just gets relentlessly grim and hopeless by the end, without tipping the hand of just how bad it truly is and leaving it a touch ambiguous for what is going to happen.

For true horror, I think anyways, answers only ruin things. You have to leave it open ended. You have to leave some things to the imagination.

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep

CantDecideOnAName posted:

I just wanted to say that this weeks TD stuff had some stuff that was pretty hard to get through. Very grim, horrifying stuff. Posting this here because praise don't belong in the 'Dome.

To make it discussion-worthy, how do you write horror? Should you go for the stuff that freaks you out, or stuff that you know freaks other people out?

Both. There are shared fears that you can use as foundation level scary, like a fear of the dark to set up danger. But to get to the nitty gritty crap you use what scares you.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



I've been having a weird problem where I've been reading so much horror and trying to write a fair bit myself that lately nothing feels that scary. I think my TD effort seriously suffered for it. Not sure what to do but take a break from the genre for a while.

bigperm
Jul 10, 2001
some obscure reference
I just want to say that the fox loving in The Magicians was great if you want to read how terrific fox loving can be written.

Dr. Kloctopussy
Apr 22, 2003

"It's time....to DIE!"
I've only written one horror-like thing, if that, and I thought of something gruesome and then pushed that concept as far as I could tolerate, while mostly focusing on the conflict of the main character over whether she was doing the right thing or not. It might not even be horror, but it makes me feel uncomfortable when I read it, so I guess it succeeds for an audience of one at least.

To me what's scary isn't gore, but what people will do to each other and why.

For monsters, for me, it's all about the feeling of being unable to escape. Everything you try goes wrong. When you think you're safe, you're not. The emotional pay off is usually the hero not just ~surviving~ but actually regaining control. After all their friends die though. I'm sure there are monster movies where everyone dies and the emotional payoff is being reminded that the world is a cruel and indifferent place and the thin thread of control you have over your own life could be terminally snipped at any time. Personally I hate this feeling and don't understand why people would seek it out.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
So I'm currently in the middle of chapter 2 for my revision on Lightning Brigade. 5742 words. Finally figured out a good scene break that actually translates online, so that's nice.

I think, unless you guys complain, I'll keep updating my progress on it as I go here. Might help me keep focus on it and keep my ADHD from wandering. I haven't been able to do anything with it today or the day before for no good reason, just couldn't focus.

CantDecideOnAName
Jan 1, 2012

And I understand if you ask
Was this life,
was this all?
You got me interested in your progress. Might get me going on my owahahahaha who am I kidding I'm not making progress on anything

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
you know what? writing is weird and kinda sucks. im writing a scene where a woman of size fucks a polar bear and now i guess i have to watch a bunch of videos of women of size loving polar bears so i can describe it accurately???? 😰

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Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I mean, if you need help, I'm sure some one can point you somewhere.

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