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Dapper_Swindler posted:why is it ok in UK? genuinely curious. Well it's not "OK" it's probably the most offensive curse we have, but I don't think it's particularly gendered, even my old granny would use it occasionally but she avoided it because it's rude not because it's gendered. Basically you would probably use it to describe people more than genitalia, and it's definitely not gendered in its use to describe people in the way that say, bitch is. There's probably some people who try to use it gendered but I'd say generally it's no more gendered than dickhead or twat. I'd feel more uncomfortable calling someone a bitch than a oval office. Just language differences I guess. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Incidentally, twat holds the same meaning here in the US, and is generally considered gendered as well. But to a lesser degree, perhaps
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Fun fact, a recent court ruling in Australia deemed it OK to use in a public place because of it's prevalence here.
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If you call someone a fanny in the UK that's also probably gendered and possibly mildly homophobic too.
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It doesn't feel like using bitch to describe a man, which derives its power from misogyny and toxic masculinity. Am I wrong? Should I stop calling men cunts? I always thought it was a way to describe hateful or evil people when used on men.
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Depends who you're talking to I guess? I've never had anyone object to it here because of it being gendered, only because it's very rude. But if someone finds it offensive for that reason, I mean, you probably shouldn't launch into a diatribe about how it totally isn't gendered and they need to deal with it.
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OwlFancier posted:Depends who you're talking to I guess? I've never had anyone object to it here because of it being gendered, only because it's very rude. A fair point.
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OwlFancier posted:If you call someone a fanny in the UK that's also probably gendered and possibly mildly homophobic too. Not spent much time in Scotland, eh? Anyway, trust Americans to ruin something as unambiguously good as swearing. What a bunch of cunts.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Not spent much time in Scotland, eh? Oh yes I forgot Scotland likes that one.
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OwlFancier posted:If you call someone a fanny in the UK that's also probably gendered and possibly mildly homophobic too. ??? ... ??!?!??!??!?
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Sep 16, 2017 05:34
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Effeminate, possibly gay (and that's bad).
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OwlFancier posted:Effeminate, possibly gay (and that's bad). Heh, I always assumed it meant rear end and pussy or something. More you know. I am ok with describing a guy as a oval office. I wouldn't use it to insult someone to their face though.
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Jonathan McIntosh is a bad games critic. At times it feels like the only video games on his radar are the ultra violent stuff that the big companies make. I never see him talking about stuff on the indy scene or even stuff that isn't violent. Like sim games like Cities Skylines or Project Highrise, The plot heavy stuff like A Night int he Woods or Gone home. All he wants to talk about is how violence is bad. What about Hearthstone? Also The New Wolfenstine looks awesome.
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I had no idea who some people were talking about with "radicalbytes" for a while there and oh welp it's just mcintosh, who already got summed up too well by "A passive aggressive prick with weird humorless puritan vibes" even if they get other things right. Just in general  at anyone really still running with arguments of "murder sim" videogames and the all but debunked idea that games make you violent or desensitize you, also as already said the continuous drop in violent crime, all while games like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto skyrocketed to mainstream popularity. It's dumb and bad, just stick to the real argument of toxic masculinity in some games instead, because when you keep trying to carry the torch of a long since beat down idea next to it, that's all people are going to zero in on instead.BigRed0427 posted:What about Hearthstone? Well you see it's reprehensible to gamify and even glorify the violence between orcs and humans and furthermore-
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Hearthstone is a lovely version of the WoW tcg and I hate it just for that
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Comrade Fakename posted:Over the past 30 years or so we've seen a huge rise in violent video games correspond with a precipitous drop in actual violent crime. Again, specifically not my argument. Arguing that lots of violence positively portrayed in the media makes us see that kind of violence as more positive is specifically not the same things as saying that violent media causes violence. It's not even close, but it requires some nuance to actually look at the media you're consuming. And core gamers specifically hate people looking critically at the games they enjoy, as witnessed by the very vocal backlash against milquetoast feminist criticism of fairly broad things that show up in games thematically.
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rkajdi posted:Again, specifically not my argument. Arguing that lots of violence positively portrayed in the media makes us see that kind of violence as more positive is specifically not the same things as saying that violent media causes violence. It's not even close, but it requires some nuance to actually look at the media you're consuming. And core gamers specifically hate people looking critically at the games they enjoy, as witnessed by the very vocal backlash against milquetoast feminist criticism of fairly broad things that show up in games thematically. You haven't actually said what behaviour violent media leads to, except to vaguely imply that maybe Gamergate-esque opinions come out of it. Though to be honest, I don't really see the link between shooting people (almost always men) in games and sexism. Because we're not talking about sexism in games, just violence. Humans are inherently violent. It's one of the reasons we've been so successful as a species. But because violence doesn't work so well in the society we've built, we've learned to sublimate those urges. Almost all sport is a form of codified violence or warfare - violent video games are just a more explicit version of that.
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for those who were gamers in the 90s its a uncomfortable topic because of the anti-violent video game crusaders, and accusations that violent video games cause school shootings, etc. That caused gamers (including myself) to close ranks. But more recent studies give credence to a link between violent media consumption and a higher occurence of violence. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/opinion/sunday/does-media-violence-lead-to-the-real-thing.html?mcubz=0 quote:Mr. Comstock and Ms. Paik also conducted a meta-analysis of studies that looked at the correlation between habitual viewing of violent media and aggressive behavior at a point in time. They found 200 studies showing a moderate, positive relationship between watching television violence and physical aggression against another person.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:But more recent studies give credence to a link between violent media consumption and a higher occurence of violence. Then why is that over the last 30 years (and the release of almost all violent video games) violent crime has dropped significantly?
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Comrade Fakename posted:Then why is that over the last 30 years (and the release of almost all violent video games) violent crime has dropped significantly? Probably overriding effect of other environmental factors. I've heard about at least two hypothesis regarding crime reduction in US: phasing out products containing lead and widespread legalization of abortion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lof6XJ8b1SU I'd play a game about ANC guys sneaking around bombing police stations. Or at least throw some money at one, because it'd piss off the alt-right, the moral puritans, and #BlueLivesMatter in equal measure.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/opinion/sunday/does-media-violence-lead-to-the-real-thing.html?mcubz=0 Few issues regarding games in particular is that the main study there goes from the late fifties and end in the early nineties. There were some violent games then, but surely a better study would be after this time period. It also admits that it is a smaller factor than both gender and socioeconomic categories, and it also splits "aggression" into three categories, of which the highest, "illegal activity" is the least affected by violent media. Also non-violent erotica appears to be worse than good old violence when determining risk factors for agression?
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Raenir Salazar posted:I feel like this perfectly summarizes alt right discourse. He isn't there to honestly just sell peanuts, but to mock the beliefs of the people he is disparaging, and isn't interested in honest discourse about the merits of socialism vs capitalism; the fact that his peanuts are absurdly expensive is just icing on the cake. Actually the lame Americans in that video are the protestors, the guy selling peanuts owns I'm also failing to see how he's alt right Whorelord fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Sep 16, 2017 10:39
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Zenithe posted:Also non-violent erotica appears to be worse than good old violence when determining risk factors for agression? There is a 100% correlation between people who call it "erotica" and who own their own swords and bring them to nazi events in public parks.
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Chrungka posted:Probably overriding effect of other environmental factors. I've heard about at least two hypothesis regarding crime reduction in US: phasing out products containing lead and widespread legalization of abortion. Those (widely discredited btw) factors must be incredibly loving strong if they're actually counteracting millions of brainwashed youths to the degree that violent crime still fell significantly. Just imagine the utopia we'd be living in without violent video games! There'd be no crime at all!
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Comrade Fakename posted:Those (widely discredited btw) factors must be loving incredibly strong if they're actually counteracting millions of brainwashed youths to the degree that violent crime still fell significantly. Just imagine the utopia we'd be living in without viol not video games! There'd be no crime at all! How has the removal of lead from gasoline been discredited as a factor in declining crime rates? There's a state-by-state drop in crime a decade later as states ban its use.
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business hammocks posted:There is a 100% correlation between people who call it "erotica" and who own their own swords and bring them to nazi events in public parks. Hey man, the people in the interspecies erotica business are just trying to make a living, they ain't got no part in this.
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erotica is porn that looks like actual sex.
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That's called amateur.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Those (widely discredited btw) factors must be incredibly loving strong if they're actually counteracting millions of brainwashed youths to the degree that violent crime still fell significantly. Just imagine the utopia we'd be living in without violent video games! There'd be no crime at all! Cut the hyperbole, mate. The original claim is positive relation between consumption of violent media and violence against person, not that there are "millions of brainwashed youths". Second, I would be quite interested how those hypothesis were discredited (especially the lead one). Would you care to provide some resources/article?
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Groovelord Neato posted:erotica is porn that looks like actual sex. Oglaf disagrees (NWS link)
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Comrade Fakename posted:Then why is that over the last 30 years (and the release of almost all violent video games) violent crime has dropped significantly? It's like every time the huge reduction in lead intake is brought up, people forget about it. Lead poisoning causes lower IQ and increased impulsive, both of which are precursors to violent crime. It's a fairly well understood phenomenon, and explains how the developed world saw reductions in violent crime starting around 15-20 years after the ending of lead as a gasoline additive. This also brought about huge reductions in lead levels in children. Violence level in your society and societal acceptance of certain kinds of violence are also completely different things. I'm arguing the latter is the endpoint of the kind of violent media we consume, and the responses are about the former.
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One further thing that might also be relevant is that "commits a violent crime" is not the only way in which a person can hurt society by having a violent predisposition. I would expect that the consumption of certain types of violent media will also contribute to the public's acceptance of military action. ^^^ what that guy said
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rkajdi posted:. "We're more accepting of violence, even as we engage in less of it." That is what you're arguing now. The reason people are arguing the former is because levels of violence going down correlates strongly with the idea that the real-world engagement in the activity is less acceptable. The real reason there's less outrage at cops shooting people for no reason is because it's constantly reported on. Every single incident is blasted at people to feed the 24/7 news cycle, and outrage fatigue sets in. It's a case of people hear about another shooting and go "gently caress, another one?" And then they shrug and go on about their day because the previous 7 that week have loving WORN THEM DOWN. Trying to blame the fatigue caused by the news on a lack of caring because of violent movies and games is juvenile and shows a complete lack of understanding of human psychology and a complete ignorance of the world around you. Again, I implore you, just go make a loving YouTube video so we can proper mock you in this thread's spirit.
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Guavanaut posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lof6XJ8b1SU Same. But he would still hate that too. What's funny is he is the only person on the left who got mad over wolfenstein. The only others were Pepe shitheads. He also got pissed when they made tracer a lesbian because she encourages male gaze and should be only attractive to lesbians or some poo poo. Everyone called him out and he got passive aggressive about other progressive not being on his level. The dude is a oval office. I am cool with arguments about gaming/media violence but not from him or his little followers.
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OwlFancier posted:Effeminate, possibly gay (and that's bad). ...? I always knew it to mean female genitalia. What you're describing would be covered by poof (A v. bad word).
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Samovar posted:...? I always knew it to mean female genitalia. What you're describing would be covered by poof (A v. bad word). And why is being compared to female genitalia such an insult?
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Samovar posted:...? I always knew it to mean female genitalia. What you're describing would be covered by poof (A v. bad word). Poof is also not something you should say but it's also not a word that Americans ever use AFAIK. Whereas fanny is, which sounds really weird to british ears.
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Whorelord posted:calling someone a nonce is an underrated insult Again in the UK that is quite possibly just accurate 
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