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Sae is almost certainly stressed to the breaking point by her job, but her outburst basically comes out of nowhere. They could have at least had Sae brushing Makoto off once or twice in that scene before finally snapping because Makoto won't stop talking about the Phantom Thieves.
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I kinda wonder how that scene was in Japanese. I know there were a complaints about the translation, and this feels kinda abrupt.
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Part 53: 6/20: Blackmail, Part Tres Music: Desire   I didn’t mean to drag you in like this... For real. I was stupid... I must agree. You should’ve easily imagined this happening.Yusuke: master of tact.  Hey, Yusuke... I was so caught up in trying to be useful… All right, enough of the blame game! What’s done is done.Ryuji’s awful laid-back about this, considering how boned we are. I’m going to cause trouble for Sis too... Sis? My older sister has a commendable job, and she’s a much more remarkable person than me…Oh man, is the party not gonna find out what Sae does until a pivotal moment of the story? That could be interesting. Might get a little forced, but I can deal. A lot happened after we lost our father three years ago, so it’s just us living together… But I’m still a child, so all I am is a burden to her...B …… ...And that’s why you were so reckless? I just wanted to be useful in some way to someone… Y’know, I might not get your whole situation, but ain’t it a bit off saying that you’re useless to her?Those were her exact words, Ryuji. It’s the truth though… (to Ann) In particular, I have to apologize for what happened to you. Eh? Now that I think on it, the truth about Kamoshida must’ve been covered up by the whole school. I had my suspicions, but… I couldn’t do anything about it. ...No. I didn’t do anything. Had I cared enough, I could’ve done something... …... People like me… must really be what others call scum of the earth. Real scum wouldn’t call themselves that. …Huh? I’m the same. It’s just like you said before: I was closest to Shiho, but I didn’t do anything… Besides, Kamoshida’s the one to blame. Shiho understands that… and I do too. Takamaki-san... You didn’t have a place to belong either… Isn’t that right? Me either…? We won’t let anyone fall victim again. Now, what should we do from here? I’ll do something about the money…! So can we please just drop the case with Kaneshiro.What? How on earth are you going to get over 28 thousand dollars in cash, in three weeks, by yourse--oh. Well, nuts to that. No can do. We’re all caught up in this. We can’t have you rushing things on your own anymore and making the situation worse. If only we could do something about that bank...Dude, seriously   Bank…? Oh, right, the bank…!Music: Suspicion  Hear me out, you guys! Our key in? What do you mean?I guess we’re just giving up on discretion, then.  We’ve become Kaneshiro’s targets. That means we’ve become customers of Kaneshiro’s bank! I see. The reason why we couldn’t enter before was because we weren’t considered his customers... And wouldn’t you say that she in particular is a special customer?(I have no idea what he’s getting at) Let’s take her with us. She is responsible for our current situation. Whoa, I don’t follow this at all... She risked her very right doing something so reckless. At the very least, she has the right to know. Won’t you come with us? What? ...Wait. To where?  We’re going to the Palace, you idiots.    It’s Fox... Be quiet. The Shadows are going to notice us. I’m noooooot! That’s Morgana, the cat that was in Maaku’s bag. This is what happens when we come here. That voice… Takamaki-san? Where are we…? We’re inside Kaneshiro’s… well, the “world” inside his heart. ...What? It’s another reality in which Kaneshiro’s distorted desires have materialized. ...Another reality? It’s floating in the air!? Th-This is reality!? My goodness… …… I’m sorry, it’s just… But since this really exists, I can’t doubt it… A reality that one’s heart shows… Is it like the application of optical illusions in social cognitive psychology…?You can’t trick me, I know that doesn’t mean anything! That’s something we have no idea about... That may be like overwriting their cognition… I think I kind of get the logic behind it...Finally, someone who just gets it without a million years of explanations.  W-We’re about the same! Then, does that mean there’s an ATM version of myself somewhere in this world too? Perhaps. Regardless, we can change Kaneshiro’s heart and make him confess if we steal his Treasure. ...If it all goes well, that is. We’ll make it go well. Everyone’ll notice us for sure if we take someone like Kaneshiro down! Our justice will also become resolute. Think we’d be able to give courage to those in need if it happens!? For the sake of those in need, huh… ...You sound like my father. Your father…? ...No, don’t mind me. You want to go to that bank, right? Let’s go then. If I’ve become a customer of that bank, then they’ll have to let me in. The bank lowers. For real…!? It came to us! It’s just as I calculated.  I thought that I’d be able to get in since I have the same identity as such customers. I’m Kaneshiro’s source of revenue, after all. Ah, that makes sense. But wow… This place is huge. I rarely gotta go to the bank, so… this’s makin’ me kinda nervous. Being in a bank with costumes like these is so obvious—we’re totally robbers. You got that right... It seems there will be a lot of Shadows from here on. Huh? What’s that about? Enemies attack us here. I see… I’ve trained in aikido. Don’t worry; I can defend myself.I don’t think a martial art based around protecting the opponent from harm is going to do much good when you’re fighting a giant rear end or whatever the gently caress we’ll see in here. Self-defense won’t do much good against Shadows, but then again, it’s better than nothing. We have to go in from the front, don’t we? I’m an honorary customer, so I better act like one. ...I will be useful for you guys.Music: Price (Listen to this)  All right, we’re going in!Music: Disquiet  I had a feeling this would happen. Come at us!What? No! Chill for a second. No no! Wait! She’s one of Kaneshiro’s customers. I’d like to speak with the bank president. Excuse me, but do you have an appointment? I need to talk to him. Now let me through! That voice… It’s Kaneshiro! You mean a bank has a president?What? They make good money.What? The translation lost its mind for a second there. Music: Price  Reception is further in to the right. I strongly advise that you do not attempt to go elsewhere.  Well, I guess anything goes in a Palace.  Music: Tension    That comes to three million yen in total. You’re here regarding that, correct, Miss Beautiful President? He’s just purple. No, I don’t know why. Shut up. You gonna call it off then? No—a loan. The interest rate is ten percent a day. Ten percent interest a day… Um… Uhhh… That means… One day is… It’s three hundred thousand yen. There’s no need to be alarmed. I have a more manageable option for people like you. That was your plan from the beginning, wasn’t it? Niijima-san.Facial expressions for this guy are on-point even for his Shadow. ...Or should I say, the younger sister of the beautiful prosecutor Sae Niijima? Oh. Well, uh... Guess they’re not doing that. How do you know that!? Please don’t underestimate our intelligence network. My, what wonderful goods have come falling into my lap. Don’t be ridiculous! Young women are so useful. They lack physical strength and are dumb. It’s as if they only exist to be devoured by the strong. That just might be the rule since the dawn of history. You truly are despicable… You better be ready, Kaneshiro! We’re gonna snatch your Treasure from you! My citadel has the highest security installed in it. Anyone will do anything for money. I’ll rob you of your lives as easily as I breathe air. *snicker* Music: Keeper of Lust Chivalrous Guards  This is legitimately a really tough fight. We’re up against two Onis, who have no weaknesses, resist Physical, and love spamming Rampage to get multiple hits on the whole party. A smart person would’ve brought Ann instead of Ryuji for her additional healing and magic damage, but I’m not here to make good decisions.  The target is still alive! We must deal with them at any cost! Second verse, same as the first! Did you think we were done? Nope! Two more Onis just spawned.  Don’t let them escape! We must take them down! And one more pack for good measure.  We’re in trouble at this rate! Let’s run!Can do! Music: Run, Run, Run!   Could those have been the Personas you mentioned…!? Does now really look like the time to be asking that!? We need to retreat! Makoto, make sure you don’t get separated from us!So, why did we come in through the front door again? We already knew we could get in thanks to Makoto, but it seems like we didn’t think this part through. Hurry, Joker! The exit’s just over there!Music: Desire  Well, gently caress. There’s no end to them…! Guys! How dare you sneak around, Kaneshiro…! Those would be my words. However, I do thank you for providing me with such wonderful goods. ...It’s time you disappear.  Managing a bank is tough—that’s why I make it a case to kill troublesome customers. Having one impertinent brat disappear is enough to set an example in that other world. Please stop! I’ll eliminate others besides my goods. You’ve no need to worry. Your sister is quite a beauty though. I’ll make sure to make her my personal slave. Once I get bored, I’ll just sell her off. Oh, poor Sis… She could’ve been successful, if only her younger sister wasn’t so dumb. My sister has nothing to do with this! The you better start taking customers tomorrow. All you gotta do is endure it and do as you’re told. Endure it… Do as I’m told... You’ll earn three million yen in no time. Although, your life and everything along with it will be a complete wreck by then! Gwahahahahaha! Music: Awakening   Makoto’s Awakening (Watch this)       Please… Never lose sight of it again.      Music: Will Power       No, dude… That’s a bike...  My “self”… Me…!    Wow… Nice! I’ve never seen anything like it... Love watching this tiny-faced shithead crap his pants.  I will not lose heart again, ever. I’ll go full speed, non-stop!  Johanna is based on the (apocryphal) figure of Pope Joan, a legendary Medieval woman who was the pope for a short period of time, going against the Catholic Church’s traditions, and was stricken from historical record. She was also not a motorbike, but hey, some things are just too cool to not do. As for Makoto herself, well… What can I say? She’s a great character and she’s amazing in battle, being maybe the single most all-around useful and versatile party member. Also her Persona is a loving bike, holy poo poo. Makoto is voiced by Cherami Leigh, known for roles like A2 from NieR: Automata and... Asuna from Sword Art Online. Those are the two roles I know of hers. Shut up. Arist fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 16, 2017 20:01
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gotta say, that's a new one
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Sep 16, 2017 20:17
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I suppose if you're basically advertising your next team member you've gotta do something to surprise the player somehow.
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Sep 16, 2017 20:22
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That was goddamn awesome.
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Sep 16, 2017 20:30
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Makoto's Phantom Thief codename: It's A loving Bike
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Sep 16, 2017 20:32
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There is just something so satisfying the way Makoto snaps when she awakens her persona.
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Sep 16, 2017 20:32
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The quality of the translation takes a screaming nosedive for this sequence and for the life of me I can't figure out why.quote:Young women are so useful. They lack physical strength and are dumb. Look at this poo poo. Shameful!
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Sep 16, 2017 20:35
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Straight-lace student president is a Mad Max character?  I really love that she just finally snapped from all the abuse of "you're suppose to do this, gently caress what you think or feel". I can only imagine what would of happened if she did that floor stomp in front of Sae 
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Sep 16, 2017 20:36
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Oxxidation posted:The quality of the translation takes a screaming nosedive for this sequence and for the life of me I can't figure out why. what is it supposed to say?
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Sep 16, 2017 20:46
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Arist posted:Makoto’s Awakening (Watch this) I really hope you guys are doing what Arist says and are watching these videos. I really, really do.
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Sep 16, 2017 20:47
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this Awakening scene. One of the better party members skill and character design wise has finally joined up, along with their amazingly done Persona. Johanna is great design wise, especially the whole bike thing that's never really explained at all except to fit Makoto's Phanton Thief outfit design, pure hardcore spiky biker chic. Her weapon choice is pretty drat great as well and fits her awakened side to a tee, plus a previous comment she's made here. Ryuji's "no dude, that's a bike!" line gets me every time I watch this scene too, it almost makes up for all the dumbass poo poo he says without thinking that gets the Phantom Thieves into trouble. Almost. Also, Price is like the second best dungeon BGM in this game, it's seriously great. Should really give it a listen if you haven't already, and heed the rest of Arist's recommendations. Welp, time for Makoto to smash Kaneshiro's face in, literally. Shouldn't have brought her sister into this. He just set himself up for a world of hurt. I'd try and do this dungeon in one day (or at least get up to the calling card part) if i was playing this just to give Kaneshiro his comeuppance, something this game made me felt with regard to Kamoshida, but not for Madarame. Plus, the bad end for not completing this dungeon on time hit me real bad, it was super depressing if all that it implies actually happens. Someone uploaded it on YouTube because people are bound to be curious even if they don't want it to happen, and I regretted watching it immediately when it popped up on my YouTube front page in my Recommended Videos because I had been on a P5 kick at that moment, those feels... Still, this brings me back to the whole public shame and Kaneshiro's blackmail material I posted about after the last update. We pretty much knew where he was going with it, but him laying out what he wants Makoto to do to get him the money like that, even implied, and involving her sister as well makes it seem even more strange to me that Makoto would go through with what Kaneshiro has planned for her if you don't change his heart. Then again, shame culture and wrecking her and her sister's future if the blackmail gets out, I guess. But if she does go through with it, both their futures are ruined anyway when it gets out what she was made to do, so why cooperate in the first place? Cultural differences are a helluva trip, man. I was brought up in some of the same cultural mindset, albeit not as deep in and with other cultural influences, and I still don't get it all that much... GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Sep 16, 2017 21:14
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CommaToes posted:what is it supposed to say? The translation is accurate, it's just horribly stiff. It's only this bad in this one sequence and during pretty much the entirety of the opening pre-Ryuji.
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Sep 16, 2017 21:39
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Makoto's loving pissed. 
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Sep 16, 2017 21:48
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I love how dumb this awakening could have been and how cool they managed to make it anyway. I mean, it's a bike! A talking bike!
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Sep 16, 2017 22:20
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I maintain the run-up to this sequence drags on far too long. However, watching Makoto's pent-up frustration explode her into a Fist of the North Star character almost makes the whole thing worth it.
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Sep 16, 2017 22:29
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plus you cant go wrong with any outfit that has spikes on it
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Sep 16, 2017 22:43
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The cinnamon roll snapped! And then there was blood, and there's fire everywhere... Well, not yet, but there probably will be. I think this is the second best awakening we've seen so far. RedMagus posted:Straight-lace student president is a Mad Max character? It's that stomp and how she's hunched over panting afterwards that does it for me. You can just feel all that tension bleeding off of her.
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Sep 16, 2017 22:51
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Best girl and best party member get the the best Awakening. From this point on Makoto almost never left my Party.
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Sep 16, 2017 23:35
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As for why her persona is a bike isn't it said that a persona changes to suit their perception of reality, So Makoto mush really think that rebellion or whatever the core theme here is a biker not that I'm complaining since the outfit and awakening was so great like one of the best awakening in the whole dam series let alone this game
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Sep 16, 2017 23:40
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Makoto is goddamn fantastic in almost every single way, and in my mind nearly (but not quite) makes up for the last dungeon's bullshit She's well-characterized, intelligent, proactive, coherent, helpful, and owns a literal goddamn motorbike persona, which she rides dressed in friggin armor. Everything about this sequence (besides the translation), from her immediately accepting blame to trying to reason out what's going on to taking charge to running shadows over in a motorcycle is absolutely fantastic.
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Sep 16, 2017 23:41
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Also, we eventually find out that (not really spoilers I think, since it's just a throwaway line IIRC, but tagging anyway) Makoto is licensed for an owns a motorcycle in real life, too. It's a tragedy that we never actually get to see that.
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Sep 17, 2017 00:00
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One of the best awakenings n-thed. You could say she's a Rider even, once her motivations come up.
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Sep 17, 2017 00:47
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Arist posted:This is legitimately a really tough fight. We’re up against two Onis, who have no weaknesses, resist Physical, and love spamming Rampage to get multiple hits on the whole party. A smart person would’ve brought Ann instead of Ryuji for her additional healing and magic damage, but I’m not here to make good decisions. Truly, you have the spirit of a Phantom Thief.
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Sep 17, 2017 01:05
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Kevos Setzer posted:The cinnamon roll snapped! Makoto isn't the party's Cinnamon Roll, that character comes later. And her awakening is def perfect for that character as well. Can't wait to see it in this thread too.
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Sep 17, 2017 01:08
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Oh hell yes. Now that is a character introduction. I like her already.
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Sep 17, 2017 01:16
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With that armor she's wearing, it looks like she thinks of herself as a knight, going around righting wrongs. Except that a horse is impractical in the modern age, so she swapped it out for something she already knows how to ride: a motorbike.
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Sep 17, 2017 01:51
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Makoto isn't my favorite character from this game, but she's up there.
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Sep 17, 2017 02:00
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Are we sure her persona is Pope Joan? I mean, if you bring up a rebellious female knight who wears armor and is named Joan, uh... Pope Joan would not be my first guess.
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CommaToes posted:what is it supposed to say? Seems like they could have gone with "They're weak and stupid."
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megane posted:Are we sure her persona is Pope Joan? I mean, if you bring up a rebellious female knight who wears armor and is named Joan, uh... Pope Joan would not be my first guess. There's a bunch of stuff in the game that ties her to Pope Joan instead of Joan of Arc, including the title of her related library book, an upcoming class lecture, and, uh, her in-game Persona description. So, yeah, I'd say it's kind of incontrovertible.
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With that getup, Makoto could easily slot into the role of Ghost Rider, especially with the flames and chains flying around Johanna. But yes, that was a very satisfying Awakening. Welcome to the team,
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Sep 17, 2017 02:38
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The fact she breaks SOLID CONCRETE during her stomp just only works for her. She's also one of the best party members going on in the game, it kinda makes the dragging annoyance that is the lead-up to the palace worth it in the long run. I'd go into details on how she works, but I'll wait for the next update before going into specifics on Makoto in battle.
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Sep 17, 2017 02:56
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There's a reason I went with the red text when I bought this avatar back in April and I think it should be fairly obvious by this point.
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Sep 17, 2017 03:14
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C. Everett Koop posted:gotta say, that's a new one Not quite. Some of the personas in Innocent Sin use motor vehicles in their designs too:  
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Sep 17, 2017 03:17
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it reminds me a lot of the best moment of FFXIII, a terrible game which has one good character, Sazh his stand/persona/"eidolon" manifests itself as a goddamn car on fire
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Sep 17, 2017 03:41
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Also that mask is baller. Like it's iron or something, that poo poo's heavy, and she peels it off her face? drat girl.
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Sep 17, 2017 03:57
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YggiDee posted:Also that mask is baller. Like it's iron or something, that poo poo's heavy, and she peels it off her face? drat girl. Makoto is in no mood for any more bullshit and it is awesome
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If Kaneshiro did not run away at this point I would not be surprised to see him turned into gristle after being dragged behind Makoto's persona.
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