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Stymie posted:the only way you could think that vaping doesn't stink is if your sense of smell has been previously eradicated by actual smoking sweet flavours do stench yeah. menthol is nearly odourless as vapour
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Endless Mike posted:have you considered not being addicted to nicotine? unsuccessfully
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Mr. Nice! posted:no typo i deliberately typed robot dicks because that's what vapes are. you dont think echi was talking about his own gaping typo????
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Endless Mike posted:have you considered not being addicted to nicotine? mate i work directly in the smoking cessation field and believe me nicotine addiction is a mother fucker for absolute sure. even with the best drugs and support and incentives it's still small percentages that end up smoke free here in nz someone can walk in off the street and get two months of nicotine patches and gum/lozenges for $10. we give smoking mother money vouchers for quitting. varenicline course is about $600 but we fund it and charge the patient $10. despite all of this, people continue to smoke. never judge a smoker for it quitting cos everyone is different. even if someone goes from 20/day to 15/day that's a big improvement. i wish i could also sell vape stuff to help people too
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Sep 16, 2017 21:36
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someone post the addiction chart where nicotine is all the way over with heroin and cocaine
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Sep 16, 2017 21:43
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I smoke but it isn't lovely tobacco 
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echinopsis posted:mate i work directly in the smoking cessation field and believe me nicotine addiction is a mother fucker for absolute sure. even with the best drugs and support and incentives it's still small percentages that end up smoke free just ban smoking everywhere like any civilized state
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Sep 16, 2017 22:10
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The Management posted:just ban smoking everywhere like any civilized state sir you are going to buy a new avatar
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Sep 16, 2017 22:15
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The Management posted:just ban smoking everywhere like any civilized state that solves exactly poo poo, as far as every european country i've lived in goes
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Sep 16, 2017 22:34
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those policies make sense because the heath consequences from nicotine are dwarfed by the smoke itself
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hobbesmaster posted:those policies make sense because the heath consequences from nicotine are dwarfed by the smoke itself that yes, they don't help smokers quit though, which is what's discussed. extra taxation on tobacco products seems to go quite a longer way in that regard
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when will apple release its own vape already
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nicotine is fairly safe, it's just very physically dependence forming Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:someone post the addiction chart where nicotine is all the way over with heroin and cocaine there is also definitely a factor where compared to say heroin, there is significantly less stigma and ease of buying and smoking doesn't really destroy lives and families. smokers would never go to the lengths opioid addicted people go to get their drugs
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echinopsis posted:nicotine is fairly safe, it's just very physically dependence forming
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Sep 16, 2017 22:40
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cinci zoo sniper posted:that yes, they don't help smokers quit though, which is what's discussed. extra taxation on tobacco products seems to go quite a longer way in that regard increases in cigarette prices manage to make some people quit, but it's also argued it hits low socio economic communities harder because of course poor people smoke more and see the doctor less and quit less and now have to spend more of their meagre income on smokes all we can do is continue to push cessation and continue to lower the barrier of entry to cessation products and drugs and services i'd hate to see it made illegal tho
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Powaqoatse posted:you dont think echi was talking about his own gaping typo???? ah i glanced right over it. was trying to figure out what was going on.
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Sep 16, 2017 22:54
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all this apple talk convinced to get an ipad pro. it's cool.
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sudo rm -rf posted:all this apple talk convinced to get an ipad pro. it's cool. 10 inch iPad pro is extremely pro.
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Sep 16, 2017 23:20
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it stinks, it's addictive, it gives you cancer and also those around you, plus it's very expensive and useless what's not to like about smoking ?
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The Management posted:10 inch iPad pro is extremely pro. Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:it stinks, it's addictive, it gives you cancer and also those around you, plus it's very expensive and useless the state of california is getting real salty with these prop 65 notices
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Sep 16, 2017 23:33
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echinopsis posted:nicotine is fairly safe, it's just very physically dependence forming wasn't there a study that showed nicotine could be carcinogenic on its own though? something about expression of certain genes
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My Linux Rig posted:wasn't there a study that showed nicotine could be carcinogenic on its own though? something about expression of certain genes you're right, they should stick to something 1000x more likely to give them cancer
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Sep 17, 2017 00:32
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hobbesmaster posted:you're right, they should stick to something 1000x more likely to give them cancer yes cause clearly the thing I'm take exception to is vapes and not the notion that nicotine is safe
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Sep 17, 2017 01:29
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so uh gifvs dont play in ios safari anymore or what cause it doesnt work for me plz dont respond WORKSFORME,WONTFIX
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Sep 17, 2017 02:07
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The Management posted:10 inch iPad pro is extremely pro. yeah i'm honestly kind of blown away. my last ipad was the first retina mini, and at the time i was using a 5s. when i got my 6 i basically just stopped using the ipad. so this is really something else. i haven't touched my 7 all day.
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i still refuse to buy an ipad pro until the pencil gets an eraser 
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iPad Pro 10.5 supremacy
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google nexus 7 ... 2012 ... uhh ... monster race
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echinopsis posted:mate i work directly in the smoking cessation field and believe me nicotine addiction is a mother fucker for absolute sure. even with the best drugs and support and incentives it's still small percentages that end up smoke free oh have those people just stopped being babies and quit? my mom did and she's been smoke free for years after decades of smoking. sucks they lack willpower to not literally murder themselves i guess
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Sep 17, 2017 04:33
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is there an iphone case that can use the iphone battery to power a vape rig? if not, someone kickstart that asap
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Endless Mike posted:oh have those people just stopped being babies and quit? my mom did and she's been smoke free for years after decades of smoking. sucks they lack willpower to not literally murder themselves i guess lol
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the hardest part of quitting smoking is wanting to quit smoking it's not like the withdrawal is unbearable or something. people just really like smoking.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the hardest part of quitting smoking is wanting to quit smoking thats literally the definition of addiction
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yeah surprise surprise people "fail" at quitting smoking because they don't actually want to quit and then the echis of the world make up excuses for them
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or you quit smoking and everything is fine and then your mom dies and guess what, a cigarette would really help you get your mind off of that for a while. see also drinking and drugs.
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hobbesmaster posted:thats literally the definition of addiction yep addiction is hard. governing our desires is a lot harder than dealing with withdrawal symptoms or tapering or whatever. smoking is a hard addiction to tackle specifically because it is so easy to quit (or start again)
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in a very Tyler, The Creator voice "Hahahahahahahaha How The gently caress Is Addiction Real Hahahaha Just Walk Away From The Vice Like Just Stop Doing It Haha"
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echinopsis posted:all we can do is continue to push cessation and continue to lower the barrier of entry to cessation products and drugs and services i don't know how widespread it is (meaning eu-level), but at least in finland the brands and prices of tobacco are no longer visible anywhere. you need to know what you're buying and ask the cashier for it. also there are no smoking rooms, you can't smoke in bars, you have to go outside to smoke in the rain/snow. so we can definitely make the barrier of entry higher too. and hey, it's working. teenagers and young adults are smoking way less than older generations were at their age.
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Wheany posted:i don't know how widespread it is (meaning eu-level), but at least in finland the brands and prices of tobacco are no longer visible anywhere. you need to know what you're buying and ask the cashier for it. also there are no smoking rooms, you can't smoke in bars, you have to go outside to smoke in the rain/snow. european statistics tend to fudge a bit by using "daily" smokers instead of smokers overall if finland were a u.s. state it would probably rank around kentucky and w. virgina for tobacco use
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