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Crowsbeak posted:Frankly, he's right. We should go for guaranteed jobs. Not GMI. I've heard stories about how in Mao's China they had people whose job was to go out into the streets in the winter pouring water on the pavement so that the people whose job it was to break up all the ice on the pavement would have ice to break up every night now that's productivity
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If working made you proud and happy we wouldn't have rising suicide rates
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loquacius posted:I've heard stories about how in Mao's China they had people whose job was to go out into the streets in the winter pouring water on the pavement so that the people whose job it was to break up all the ice on the pavement would have ice to break up every night Well there's solutions like that but we could also push for a real 40 hour work week or for guaranteed vacation or for actual infrastructure work like the CCC but I guess because someone proposes a solution it means any implementation is okay.
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Why I am friends with people who share things from this hive of the brokenbrained on Facebook" Wise Women for Clinton posted:Women who come after her will certainly face sexism. Women before her certainly did. But no one will ever again REPRESENT the changing status of women in our culture the way she has, and so no one will ever inspire the passion she has. 
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loquacius posted:I've heard stories about how in Mao's China they had people whose job was to go out into the streets in the winter pouring water on the pavement so that the people whose job it was to break up all the ice on the pavement would have ice to break up every night There was a story by Asimov (IIRC) that I read in an anthology one time where this dude had to swallow his pride and sign up for government assistance, but then he was given a super secret job that he couldn't tell anyone about, not even his wife; the giant arcology they were all living in needed maintenance, and it was his job to go around tightening bolts all night, and if people knew the bolts were coming undone they'd all freak out. So he had this super important job that gave him pride and helped him overcome the shame of being on government assistance. His best friend, who got him on assistance in the first place, was amazed at the change in his friend and how he seemed happy again; his only regret was that he couldn't tell his buddy about his top-secret work on the bolt-loosening crew.
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Shear Modulus posted:i was about to ask if they make zybourne clock jokes because that'd probably make me want to finally listen to this show that apparently everyone else does https://twitter.com/ByYourLogic/status/908115444216815616
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instead of more jobs, how about fully automated luxury gay space communism
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lmao Bernie is god tier at throwing shade at Crooked Hillary http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/17/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-242819 quote:Bernie Sanders scoffed at Hillary Clinton's claim that he didn't do as much to mobilize his supporters on her behalf as she did for Barack Obama in 2008.
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Everyone able-bodied or minded participating in labor but as a result everyone working less hours in the workweek is generally a fairer solution than UBI until we live in a Star Trek universe. Having people laboring and people not laboring will breed resentment between the two.
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The Muppets On PCP posted:i wonder if any of the hillary cultists seeing bolsheviks in every washroom realize they all sound exactly like glenn beck lol if you can go into any washroom and not see a bolshevik staring back at you
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comedyblissoption posted:Everyone able-bodied or minded participating in labor but as a result everyone working less hours in the workweek is generally a fairer solution than UBI until we live in a Star Trek universe. Having people laboring and people not laboring will breed resentment between the two. lol way to completely miss the point of ubi
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im a little afraid of what zuckerberg's notion of UBI is
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comedyblissoption posted:im a little afraid of what zuckerberg's notion of UBI is the lowest safety net possible while ensuring there's no cap on wealth, in other words, maintaining or even growing the massive wealth disparity while the capital holders don't have to feel bad about it
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comedyblissoption posted:im a little afraid of what zuckerberg's notion of UBI is someone else pays everyone to be on facebook for 12 hours a day and make him richer
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In a perfect world "job guarantee" would probably be better than UBI but the latter is so much easier to implement than the former I'm just gonna go ahead and side with UBI.
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As  as that 24% number for Clinton/McCain voters is, I do wish it would get mentioned more that like ~9% of Obama primary voters went to McCain. People do weird poo poo when it comes to primaries and GEs.
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how about a job guarantee and UBI also a complete restructuring the economy involving civil forfeitures, seizure of offshore assets, no mercy for tax cheats, a universal standard of living to get people out of bug infested shitholes hardly maintained by lovely landlords looking to make a quick buck off the vulnerable, kicking the foreign money out of housing, a national infrastructure redevelopment and mass transit program, socializing finance, etc etc it's not that there isn't a shitton of work to be done, it's simply a matter of private capital not seeing a return on getting it done.
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I'm for guaranteed (to the extent possible) employment opportunities (with an expansion of what it means to be employed to include things like pursuing education or a craft) and for the guarantee of a life of reasonable comfort for everyone regardless of their employment status or pursuit of same. And if this means that the shittiest jobs don't have people gravitating toward them, then we can forcibly fill them, but we start with the wealthiest people and going down from there. Mr. Koch, if you've got time to lean on the American people, you've got time to clean up after the American people.
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Big fan of the War on Drugs Joe Biden is human scum? Shocking.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzsDQa104Z4 our boy Jimmy did the full Joy Reid takedown and boy is it good
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Horseshoe theory posted:Big fan of the War on Drugs Joe Biden is human scum? Shocking. Lmao he used to brag about creating the "drug Czar" position
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Taintrunner posted:it's not that there isn't a shitton of work to be done, it's simply a matter of private capital not seeing a return on getting it done. This is the key to... lots of things. People who advocate that there needs to be an even greater wealth disparity in the future do so out of observations at how little interest there is within governments to do wild, ambitious things. They think a world where trillionaire silicon valley tech gods can pursue their whims is the only world where humanity is able to do... anything, whether it be cure uncurable diseases or mine asteroids or eventually get offa this rock. Their problem is they are seeing the symptoms of all-powerful capital influencing world government and thinking that it's a problem of an equal world. It isn't. Capital only does things that make it profit, and it doesn't LIKE risk. Governments that govern on the behalf of it are anemic and predatory, the solution isn't to give power to the class that's more interested in doing basically nothing and getting rich AF, it's to strip power from that class and use it to improve society.
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Explain to me how this is wrong. If you're just a consumer, Which you would be if you're in a mass unemployment, gmi situation, you no longer have power over the economy. Even if a job is make work, it will almost assurdily have some part in a economy, and if say enough people got pissed off, and decided to not do their work they could harm the economy. What pwoer do you have if you cannot work, and therefore take part in the economy and are at the mercy of the legislators, especially if you still have people like Zuckerberg and Thiel to worry about? comedyblissoption posted:Everyone able-bodied or minded participating in labor but as a result everyone working less hours in the workweek is generally a fairer solution than UBI until we live in a Star Trek universe. Having people laboring and people not laboring will breed resentment between the two. This I can get behind. Cut the hours you have to work to be considered full time. Imagine, a four or even three day work week. Taintrunner posted:the lowest safety net possible while ensuring there's no cap on wealth, Silicon Valley really is making me start to think that perhaps that society in Dune isn't a bad idea. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 03:37 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Oh Snapple! posted:As I think people forget you had things like limbaughs "operation chaos" to get Rs to vote in the dem primary. As well people like to vote in competitive primaries so you may have seen a lot of republicans vote in dem primaries that year, just like you may have seen crossover in 2016s primaries.
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Horseshoe theory posted:Big fan of the War on Drugs Joe Biden is human scum? Shocking. He would have won pretty hard tho, disappointingly enough.
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i love that dumb dems have fully embraced sean spicer and forget that he has always been a republican troglodyte
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MaxxBot posted:In a perfect world "job guarantee" would probably be better than UBI but the latter is so much easier to implement than the former I'm just gonna go ahead and side with UBI.
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i love the REAL billionaires who are my FRIENDS and not FAKE billionaires LIKE donald TRUMP
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wait why the gently caress do dems like sean spicer now did he win them over with the holocaust denial
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Normalization.
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If people don't want to work they shouldn't have too. UBI is good
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If you don't listen to Chapo you don't have praxis unless you have praxis
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ubi and a good job for anyone who wants one
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