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Come to think of it, Samus was doing pretty good until Other M when she turned into submissive zero suit waifu after the Prime series ended. I guess that's somewhat arguable since she was depicted realistically in the first prime game and got progressively animated looking as the series went on. Even the 16-bit Final Fantasy games engaged in some cheesecake, though maybe some of the more recent games I didn't play were better, baring magic girl dress up in the FF10 sequel. Bleh, I feel like there's an example somewhere but blanking on anything right now. Edit: Fire Emblem? Path of radiance seemed ok from what I recall. Titania I recall as good and, despite the boobplate, men and women were wearing similarly covering armor. Edit2: looks like path of radiance didn't have much actual boobplate, but other games in the series did along with short skirts plate armor. Eh. yook has a new favorite as of 06:26 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Chrono Trigger is great about it, but then, that's Chrono Trigger.
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RyokoTK posted:I guess I'm not used to it then because I don't play many anime-inspired games, but conversations that just casually fold in how women are duplicitous liars and men are simple idiots is startling to me, in 2017. Whats great is that the outfit description says something like "She picked her outfit with ease of movement in mind" Look at her legs. There is a chain that connects both legs. I can't imagine that is exactly helping with movement in any way.
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Sep 18, 2017 10:36
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In Chrono Trigger everyone all had rather normal outfits, given the genre. A question a character-designer should ask themselves is "How does character put this outfit on in the morning" and "How does this character go the bathroom without making a mess?".
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The day JRPG outfits become practical and realistic will be the darkest day in video game history. E: To expand a bit, if your setting isn't otherwise going for a realistic and down to earth vibe then I say go nuts with the outfit designs. Whether the designs in question are good or bad is a different matter, and not really linked to how practical or realistic they would be to wear in reality. Plus even the real bad designs are at least funny. Kanfy has a new favorite as of 11:44 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Glagha posted:So my favorite thing from Kane and Lynch was something I still haven't seen much of in multiplayer games is the bit where Lynch goes off his meds. In the game, Lynch is on medication to handle some unspecified mental issues. Later in the game he starts having a psychotic break and starts gunning down hostages. This happens during gameplay and not during a cutscene though, where the Lynch player starts seeing enemies that Kane can't so the player starts shooting the hostages in self defense while the Kane player is just confused. Works really well for a plot/gameplay crossover. Sometimes, I wonder where all the depressing shooters went. Also, to post my favourite thing: the Max Payne theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u116HbMOF_Y
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If your villain doesn't look like he just grabbed everything in his closet and put it all on at once, don't even bother.
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Wasn't there a post in this thread about how Nier:A made the main villain looking like his closet threw up on him a plot point?
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Western RPG bad guy (boring): Let me put on this helmet and black armor. Ah, I am ready to start my day. JRPG bad guy (completely insane): Let me wear 200 rags in clashing patterns, a thong, and long beautiful hair. Ah, I am ready to defeat my own mortality by conquering fate.
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Jukebox Hero posted:Wasn't there a post in this thread about how Nier:A made the main villain looking like his closet threw up on him a plot point?
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The useless belt is the arch nemesis of the Belt Dress from final fantasy x
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Booting up Prey and I found it quite neat you can be a dude or lady dude. Doesn't seem to influence anything beyond pain grunts either, which is even neater.
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As much as people joke about Final Fantasy costume design, who remembers third edition Dungeons and Dragons?  Half a shirt, half a pair of pants, and one shoe. And heels.
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poptart_fairy posted:Booting up Prey and I found it quite neat you can be a dude or lady dude. Doesn't seem to influence anything beyond pain grunts either, which is even neater.
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Sep 18, 2017 14:16
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FactsAreUseless posted:As much as people joke about Final Fantasy costume design, who remembers third edition Dungeons and Dragons? That's Pathfinder, and yes it's stupid as well.
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Cythereal posted:That's Pathfinder, and yes it's stupid as well. Nah, Hennet is the 3.x iconic Sorcerer.
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Flashback little thing: The screams of horror from the soldiers in Prototype/Prototype 2 when you hurled them at helicopters like terrified meat missiles; They even had a unique animation for NPCs to spin like footballs when you threw them. Prototype 2 at least had a ton of details, I haven't played the first in years but the zombies in the sequel have a LOT of stuff they can do if you don't aggro them; If two are near a corpse, and one starts to eat the corpse, the other might start trying to drag it off and they'll fight until they wishbone the corpse and rip it in half and both zombies walk off with their half trailing blood behind them.
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RyokoTK posted:Also how the male antagonist raises a religious super army based around cold calculating reason and logic whereas the female protagonist wants to kill him because she's emotional and reckless and can't see the greater good, which of course is why her brother had to be sacrificed. You should be pleasantly surprised by how that whole plot point turns out, at least.
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I liked it in Oxenfree when the aliens/ghosts/whatever (not finished it yet) gently caress with you and flip the screen when you're on a time limit. No idea if its a happy coincidence that this made me feel utterly powerless in the presence of these beings or if I'm just a fat handed twat who can't get my head around a simple thing like "left is now right".
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Cythereal posted:That's Pathfinder, and yes it's stupid as well.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Pathfinder's sorcerer is the naked woman who just wears floating ribbons. Women's fashion in gaming summarized in one sentence
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All of those belt buckles should be worth at least +1 AC.
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At what point does a shirt made of belts become leather armor?
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That's a girdle not a shirt? You nerds should stop playing games and learn some vocabulary.
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FactsAreUseless posted:As much as people joke about Final Fantasy costume design, who remembers third edition Dungeons and Dragons?
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Jerry Cotton posted:That's a girdle not a shirt? You nerds should stop playing games and learn some vocabulary. It's a bunch of leather crap on his torso and leather crap on his arms; plenty of 'leather armor' on girls in games leaves most of the breasts exposed, so that may well be a fine set of reinforced leather armor in
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OutOfPrint posted:All of those belt buckles should be worth at least +1 AC. Which is why FactsAreUseless posted:Pathfinder's sorcerer is the naked woman who just wears floating ribbons.
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My Lovely Horse posted:But also impose arcane spell failure. Starting to regret never getting into Pathfinder if sorcery mechanically requires dressing like an anime stripper
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Arcane spell failure was always hilarious to me because its not like spellcasters have to worry about their AC past a certain point.
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Jukebox Hero posted:Starting to regret never getting into Pathfinder if sorcery mechanically requires dressing like an anime stripper Could be worse. Guild Wars 2 has an illusionist character comment that the reason she wears huge, fancy ballgowns everywhere she goes and they never seem to get dirty is that the dress is an illusion and she's actually naked. Because of course she is.
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I never could work out why belt overdose is so popular among character designers and now that I've started thinking about it I can't get it out of my head. What is it about the aesthetic of a belt that makes two dozen of them on a single person so tantalizing? Are people inordinately fascinated by seams and buckles?
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Oxxidation posted:I never could work out why belt overdose is so popular among character designers and now that I've started thinking about it I can't get it out of my head. What is it about the aesthetic of a belt that makes two dozen of them on a single person so tantalizing? Are people inordinately fascinated by seams and buckles?
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Oxxidation posted:I never could work out why belt overdose is so popular among character designers and now that I've started thinking about it I can't get it out of my head. What is it about the aesthetic of a belt that makes two dozen of them on a single person so tantalizing? Are people inordinately fascinated by seams and buckles? I remember making that complaint in a thread and someone told me the guy who designed Lulu's costume in FFX was just straight up loving with everyone by seeing how many buckles he could get in there.
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Push El Burrito posted:I remember making that complaint in a thread and someone told me the guy who designed Lulu's costume in FFX was just straight up loving with everyone by seeing how many buckles he could get in there. More specifically loving with the poor 3D-designers who had to turn his vision into reality.
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MiddleOne posted:More specifically loving with the poor 3D-designers who had to turn his vision into reality. And they responded by avoiding animating her from the waist down whenever they could, or just leaving her out of action scenes. For instance, there's a scene where Tidus, Kimahri, and Lulu have to jump from a dock onto a boat, and the cutscene pointedly shows Tidus and Kimahri jumping, but Lulu just magically appears on the boat. The same thing happens in the wedding crashing scene; the FMV shows everyone riding the cables except Lulu, even though she's still in your party and usable when you land.
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Push El Burrito posted:I remember making that complaint in a thread and someone told me the guy who designed Lulu's costume in FFX was just straight up loving with everyone by seeing how many buckles he could get in there. There's another interview where he says the reason he even started putting belts/zippers on things in the first place was because he did it once and someone gave him poo poo for it so he like septuple-downed on it from that point on. It's good to design out of spite apparently. At that time, people teased me about zippers and belts and whatnot and I知 the type of person if somebody eggs me on I知 gonna do it more! Nowadays, I知 not as conscious about adding them in. I知 not the type of person that would shrink down when people tease me about it. I知 gonna fight back! I知 gonna go back at it and do it more.
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It's not just Nomura, though. .hack's characters literally have whole ensembles made of belts and nothing else. As shown above, it's not even unique to Japanese artists. So weird. Imagine how they must pinch.
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FactsAreUseless posted:It's insane to me that more games, especially FPS, don't do this. Just hire another voice actor for your largely-silent invisible murder machine. This is true for many games but the prey character has quite a lot of voiced lines
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I finally finished NeiR: Automata and while the game had some pretty lame bosses the last one is pretty great if you decide to play as A2. Since 9S specializes in hacking he's loving with your system the entire fight. This can take the form of swapping your controls or forcing a retro-filter for your vision to name a few. It was a nice change of pace from most of the other bosses that had no real defining features other than beings spheres and shooting lasers.
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poptart_fairy posted:Booting up Prey and I found it quite neat you can be a dude or lady dude. Doesn't seem to influence anything beyond pain grunts either, which is even neater. Doesn't influence much of anything, however you can look around your apartment at the start of the game and there's lady/dude stuff based on what you picked. Appropriate clothing and such. For some reason I'm kind of tickled by the fact that there's an environment designer who worked on this game who had to furnish the same apartment twice.
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