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Tayter Swift posted:I lost count. Are we at fifty if McCain is a yes and Paul/Collins/Murk are no? I think three nos is 49
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Tayter Swift posted:I lost count. Are we at fifty if McCain is a yes and Paul/Collins/Murk are no? No, that is 49.
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Tayter Swift posted:I lost count. Are we at fifty if McCain is a yes and Paul/Collins/Murk are no? No, just 49. Basically like last time but swapping Paul for McCain. They need to get one of those three to flip, and two of them are pretty hostile.
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Tayter Swift posted:I lost count. Are we at fifty if McCain is a yes and Paul/Collins/Murk are no? No, that's 49. Paul/Collins/Murk means the bill is dead.
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CBO will help Republicans sell a pig in a poke https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53116 quote:CBO is aiming to provide a preliminary assessment of the Graham-Cassidy bill by early next week. That assessment, which is being prepared with the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, will include whether the legislation would reduce on-budget deficits by at least as much as was estimated for H.R. 1628, the American Health Care Act, as passed by the House on May 4, 2017; whether Titles I and II in the legislation would each save at least $1 billion; and whether the bill would increase on-budget deficits in the long term. CBO will provide as much qualitative information as possible about the effects of the legislation, however CBO will not be able to provide point estimates of the effects on the deficit, health insurance coverage, or premiums for at least several weeks.
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Whew, thanks fam.
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This goes to show why no dems should vote to kick Menendez out if he gets convicted until Murphy is sworn in as Governor.
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Nocturtle posted:Honestly it's been surprising that a bill hasn't been passed yet. Or more accurately it's evidence that the modern Republican party is fractious and intellectually bankrupt, as if they'd been serious about repealing Obamacare they might have worked out a replacement any time over the last 7 years. However the Republicans control Congress and the Presidency and it's still up in the air whether they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Like many other things, the Republicans don't actually want to pass it. They want to talk about passing it because it riles up their base and gets them to the polls. The Republican platform is full of aspirational things they claim they want to do, but somehow never quite manage to accomplish once they're in power.
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Deteriorata posted:Like many other things, the Republicans don't actually want to pass it. They want to talk about passing it because it riles up their base and gets them to the polls. The Republican platform is full of aspirational things they claim they want to do, but somehow never quite manage to accomplish once they're in power. Well, they want to HAVE PASSED it, but they don't want any of it's effects to actually hit because their constituents have been mad. Their ideal bill does literally nothing but is called "repeal Obamacare" and they don't get called out on it.
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TheScott2K posted:
Ryan's house bill included a bizarre trial balloon for this. Let insurance companies kick off expensive people and keep sucking in the premiums from everyone else, and establish effective single payer but only for the chronically ill. And then fund it at like 10% of the necessary because Republicans
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Ryan's house bill included a bizarre trial balloon for this. This... this might be the dumbest loving thing I've seen in this whole healthcare debacle.
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Republicans want any government run program to suck, it's central to their thesis, which is that government run programs suck. So they will go out of their way to make any working government program suck, and any government run programs they introduce will be designed from day one to suck.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I have to say, as generally bad as McCain was, is, and always shall be, I did enjoy him murdering Mitch McConnell live on CSPAN.  my wife and I were on the thread as well and when he got up to the podium to cry I was flipping off my phone laughing so hard.Dear lord give us another moment of failure as tasty as that
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I have to say, as generally bad as McCain was, is, and always shall be, I did enjoy him murdering Mitch McConnell live on CSPAN. I wanted to be but I fell asleep because I am an old.
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i could almost believe conservatives know that repealing obamacare would be a colossal gently caress-up so they hide behind "i will vote no on anything but full repeal" as a way to make sure they dont have to make that bad decision to appease their broke brain base.
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CBO isn't gonna score it in time https://twitter.com/topherspiro/status/909861361039155200
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Tayter Swift posted:CBO isn't gonna score it in time Welp, don't expect as much public outrage and that gives them momentum.
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Tayter Swift posted:CBO isn't gonna score it in time McConnell just cares on if it adds to the deficit for voting purposes right? Not releasing actual effects on insured is a win/win for him
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Tayter Swift posted:CBO isn't gonna score it in time This is starting to look extremely ominous.
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Oxxidation posted:This is starting to look extremely ominous. Yeah, last time they barely missed loving us over by the narrowest of margins. They may have gotten their poo poo together this time. 
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two questions: 1) Is this any less evil than the other repeal plans? 2) Is there any word on whether the Parliamentarian will rule this bill kosher through the reconciliation process?
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Ratoslov posted:Yeah, last time they barely missed loving us over by the narrowest of margins. They may have gotten their poo poo together this time. Again, I'm not saying it won't happen, but which of Paul-Murkowski-Collins have they flipped?
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 loving rear end in a top hat, I can't believe I bought that grandstanding thumbs down.
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jfc, i haven;t even gotten my renewal letter for my o-care yet. LOL at poor whites and yuppie whites burning down the system because their feefees got triggered.
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Hellblazer187 posted:two questions: 1) Is this any less evil than the other repeal plans? 2) The Planned Parenthood clause will probably get axed again, but for the most part yes
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Hellblazer187 posted:two questions: 1) Is this any less evil than the other repeal plans? Its significantly less evil than skinny repeal, which is why Paul is a no.
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Tayter Swift posted:CBO isn't gonna score it in time  I love the CBO but goddammit.
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theflyingorc posted:Again, I'm not saying it won't happen, but which of Paul-Murkowski-Collins have they flipped? Murkowski and Collins have been "I want to know more"s so far. I mean it's a pretty good assumption they're nos, but not until they're on the record. Edit: No CBO score could give top cover for Murkowski to vote yes: https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/909867091926425602
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Rigel posted:Its significantly less evil than skinny repeal, which is why Paul is a no. no it's more evil this also destroys medicare which skinny repeal did not touch
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SulphagneSocialist posted:Murkowski and Collins have been "I want to know more"s so far. I mean it's a pretty good assumption they're nos, but not until they're on the record. Sure, and I get that. But the confidence that they've pulled this off isn't warranted yet.
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Telsa Cola posted:What happened to Covok anyways? Who cares.
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theflyingorc posted:Sure, and I get that. But the confidence that they've pulled this off isn't warranted yet. Yeah, I'm not even gonna lie, I'm already freaking out a bit. This seems way too omnious. Too many things seem to be falling into place. It really feels like McConnel and Graham have spent their time wisely in secret to set this all up for a Blitzkrieg and we're about to get steamrolled. Maybe not, but, gently caress, if it doesn't feel that way now. Edit: Worth noting that, if this bill passes, we can't pay for my grandfather to stay alive so this is very real to me.
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Zoro posted:Yeah, I'm not even gonna lie, I'm already freaking out a bit. This seems way too omnious. Too many things seem to be falling into place. It really feels like McConnel and Graham have spent their time wisely in secret to set this all up for a Blitzkrieg and we're about to get steamrolled. Maybe not, but, gently caress, if it doesn't feel that way now. Bruh, when Trump got elected, healthcare was going to be hosed with. They own the president and congress, at some point they will pass something they all can vote on, they have 4 years.
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theflyingorc posted:Sure, and I get that. But the confidence that they've pulled this off isn't warranted yet. they have not yet pulled it off but people should be flipping out until october 1st basically
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SulphagneSocialist posted:Murkowski and Collins have been "I want to know more"s so far. I mean it's a pretty good assumption they're nos, but not until they're on the record. Ah, so one of our good old "no" votes is going to take her information from the office of the shithead who wrote it, who will tell her anything they need to for that Yes. Which means 50 baby.
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evilweasel posted:they have not yet pulled it off but people should be flipping out until october 1st basically "It's over, we're done for" isn't appropriate but "Oh poo poo, this could still happen" is and is a good thing to yell about and call your senator especially if you're from Maine or Alaska
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evilweasel posted:no it's more evil ...Eh? Is there something mind crushingly important buried in the ominous sounding cost control innovation bit? Because the rest of the Medicare changes I saw on a skim are basically inoffensive.
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