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SwissArmyDruid posted:Gonna blow your mind here. It's another business with lousy profit margins: NV mostly abandoned the mobile SoC business, PowerVR died without Apple, and ARM's own GPU IP would have rendered (pun intended) the hypothetical AMD Adreno dead since the former was giving it away for free IINW and was already competitive in performance since 2011. Qualcomm wouldn't really cared one or another since 2/3 of their revenue comes from baseband IP licensing and they can just license GPU tech from ARM anyway.
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The Slack Lagoon posted:What is driving up the prices? Buttcoins? Buttflation.
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Twerk from Home posted:Vega is about to start winning all value comparisons as 1070 prices just keep increasing. Welllllllll https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=404,405
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Buttflation. Usually I'm in favor of buttflation, but in this instance I just can't get behind it.
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Palladium posted:It's another business with lousy profit margins: NV mostly abandoned the mobile SoC business, PowerVR died without Apple, and ARM's own GPU IP would have rendered (pun intended) the hypothetical AMD Adreno dead since the former was giving it away for free IINW and was already competitive in performance since 2011. Qualcomm wouldn't really cared one or another since 2/3 of their revenue comes from baseband IP licensing and they can just license GPU tech from ARM anyway.
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Also Nvidia is deathly afraid that intel will stop supporting pcie or equivalent so has a vested interest in keeping amd CPUs relevant, which will hopefully fund an actual GPU redesign
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Sep 18, 2017 19:15
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Paul MaudDib posted:Software encoding is still vastly better at "archival-grade" recordings. Yes, but we're not recording the family home movie collection. We're recording Rick and Morty, watching it eventually, and then deleting it. The DVR is a Haswell i3 in an ITX mobo/case so any help to speed things up seems like an improvement.
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Speaking of decoders, is AMD or nvidia better for video?
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Malcolm XML posted:Also Nvidia is deathly afraid that intel will stop supporting pcie or equivalent so has a vested interest in keeping amd CPUs relevant, which will hopefully fund an actual GPU redesign Stop supporting PCI-E? What the ... what do you mean?! Removing a connector standard that both Nvidia and AMD use would be a death knell. It would have been a very spicy connector to force everyone to go to Intel.
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Sep 18, 2017 20:10
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I mean, if Intel has its way, you'll all be using Intel Omni-Path for everything.
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Can't believe I bought my 1080ti around launch for less than most of these Vega 56 are going for right now.
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Zero VGS posted:Can't believe I bought my 1080ti around launch for less than most of these Vega 56 are going for right now. Look these are very good cards being badly treated by the mainstream tech media. They don't deserve that. What I'm saying is, there's good cards on both sides. Did anyone ask if Nvidia was at fault for this?
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The Slack Lagoon posted:What is driving up the prices? Buttcoins? it'll be hilarious if it becomes cheaper than the 1070 proper
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:yup which is part of why nvidia is going to put out a 1070ti with just one more bank of cuda cores and gddr5x memory, attempting to halve its usefulness to butt miners Why does making a cards better make it worse for buttmining?
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Why does making a cards better make it worse for buttmining? buttmining is optimized for GDDR5 but not GDDR5X
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Why does making a cards better make it worse for buttmining?
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Why does making a cards better make it worse for buttmining? GDDR5x is bad for buttcoin mining. E: beaten
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For what its worth its not bad enough to make faster cards produce less money if you use something like nicehash (which picks the fastest algorithms) however with the 1070ti we will finally see a faster/better card do worse than its slightly slower counterpart. Until somebody writes new code
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:it'll be hilarious if it becomes cheaper than the 1070 proper Wouldn't go far until the reduced efficiency would be compensated by the lower bar on ROI.
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There is no driver optimization that is going to fix this one. It's inherent to the way GDDR5X works - GDDR5 is dual-pumped, once you put in an address you get two words of output, while 5X moves to being quad-pumped, so you get four words out. That's fine for graphics where you mostly want to use sequential data. Problem is since Ethereum works in those 2-word chunks, the second half of that 4-word chunk is basically junk, so you are wasting half of it. You could change Ethereum itself to use the quad-word chunks but it would be a super contentious hardfork, where you're directly screwing over all the miners, it's never gonna happen. There are certainly altcoins that GDDR5X cards can do well at, even right now, but they don't have anywhere near the network hashrate of Ethereum and if you stuck a million GPUs on them their profitability would tank. Same as how people say "if ethereum crashes then miners will just mine something else", but even assuming they don't all tank at once there just isn't the "market depth" there (so to speak) to absorb millions of GPUs. Some of these altcoins are probably not technically sound either - I highly suspect some of them may be mineable with an ASIC relatively easily. Regardless, at some point here GDDR5 is going to cross that magical threshold into being a "legacy product" and then prices start going up significantly. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the lower-end Volta parts on GDDR5X this generation and the higher-end stuff on GDDR6, and once that happens I think it's essentially game over for plain GDDR5. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 18, 2017 22:43
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The good news is that the GPU bubble is over as far as rig-building is concerned though. Prices are slowly returning to sanity, even if there hasn't been the big pop and flood of used GPUs that we saw the first time (yet?).
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I dunno I've been mining on a 1070 for a while and it rarely if ever mines Etherium, usually ZCash is the most profitable (which works fine with GDDR5X). With AMD cards on the other hand Etherium seems to almost always be the most profitable.
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Paul MaudDib posted:There is no driver optimization that is going to fix this one. It's inherent to the way GDDR5X works - GDDR5 is dual-pumped, once you put in an address you get two words of output, while 5X moves to being quad-pumped, so you get four words out. That's fine for graphics where you mostly want to use sequential data. Problem is since Ethereum works in those 2-word chunks, the second half of that 4-word chunk is basically junk, so you are wasting half of it. You could change Ethereum itself to use the quad-word chunks but it would be a super contentious hardfork, where you're directly screwing over all the miners, it's never gonna happen. I don't know if GDDR5X is going to survive, rather a transition to GDDR5 and GDDR6 seems most likely. Only micron produces GDDR5X, and they're already moving and ramping up for GDDR6. GDDR5X will last as long as Pascal is produced, IMHO.
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Paul MaudDib posted:The good news is that the GPU bubble is over as far as rig-building is concerned though. Prices are slowly returning to sanity, even if there hasn't been the big pop and flood of used GPUs that we saw the first time (yet?). Hoping this happens sooner or later. I'd like to snag a Hawaii or polaris card for the misses's rig so she can use my old freesync monitor.
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Paul MaudDib posted:The good news is that the GPU bubble is over as far as rig-building is concerned though. Prices are slowly returning to sanity, even if there hasn't been the big pop and flood of used GPUs that we saw the first time (yet?). I thought this last little crash was going to "be the one" that floods the market but values are already on their way back up... but I am looking forward to this next wave of used GPUs because they include a very wide range of cards. You won't be stuck with your choice of 290 and 290. But it has yet to come, I have this growing feeling its really going to hit the fan when Volta releases.
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Looking at MSI's 1080 cards - what's the difference between the Armor and the Gaming X? Slightly higher clock speeds and a fancier looking cooler? Doesn't seem worth it for an extra $100 Aussie dollarydoos.
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Cheap Trick posted:Looking at MSI's 1080 cards - what's the difference between the Armor and the Gaming X? Slightly higher clock speeds and a fancier looking cooler? Doesn't seem worth it for an extra $100 Aussie dollarydoos. The Armor's cooler is actually designed for 1070s and below. On the 1080 it makes the card perform terribly. Unless you're planning on replacing it with another cooler, get the Gaming X.
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Arivia posted:The Armor's cooler is actually designed for 1070s and below. On the 1080 it makes the card perform terribly. Unless you're planning on replacing it with another cooler, get the Gaming X. Oh wow, thanks for the tip! Good thing I asked before putting in my order. Gaming X it is.
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Cheap Trick posted:Oh wow, thanks for the tip! Good thing I asked before putting in my order. Gaming X it is. I got a 1080ti armor recently with the same cooler. If you look around online you'll see it makes a few fps difference in most situations and is a straight upgrade from stock blower at a much lower price than the gaming x.
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Cheap Trick posted:Doesn't seem worth it for an extra $100 Aussie dollarydoos. Not sure how things are priced out in dollarydoos, but $100 seems like you might be getting close to the price of a G10/G12 + AIO (H55/H75 or similar), which would be an even better solution, and have the added benefit of likely being transferable to future cards.
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Surprise Giraffe posted:I got a 1080ti armor recently with the same cooler. If you look around online you'll see it makes a few fps difference in most situations and is a straight upgrade from stock blower at a much lower price than the gaming x. The 1080ti Armor runs at 80% fan speed out of the box, making it very slightly louder than the FE blower cooler, though with better thermals. If you don't care about noise and you need to save every cent you can I can see it as a good purchase, or if you just want the PCB for liquid cooling as previously mentioned. DrDork posted:Not sure how things are priced out in dollarydoos, but $100 seems like you might be getting close to the price of a G10/G12 + AIO (H55/H75 or similar), which would be an even better solution, and have the added benefit of likely being transferable to future cards. A Corsair H55 costs $72AUD and a G10 bracket about $50, so in total it would be $122 plus a tube of thermal paste, so say $130? I'd say it's worth it if they want really good thermals and don't mind doing the work to get the bracket and cooler on. But if they just want to slap it in their computer and be done with it I'd just get a card that is good out of the box.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:A Corsair H55 costs $72AUD and a G10 bracket about $50, so in total it would be $122 plus a tube of thermal paste, so say $130? I'd say it's worth it if they want really good thermals and don't mind doing the work to get the bracket and cooler on. But if they just want to slap it in their computer and be done with it I'd just get a card that is good out of the box. I'd say the extra $30 and about 15 minutes of simple work would be worth it for a whisper-quiet setup that is transferrable, and thus lets him continue to buy "cheap"-level cards in the future. But yeah, there's nothing wrong with the GamerX, either.
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quote:First up is the finest deal today: a selection of GeForce GTX 1080 cards for under $500. Newegg Business has a bunch of Nvidia's latest and next-greatest cards with a deep $50 discount when you use promo code "B2BEMCSEP3". The lowest-priced card on offer is this blower-cooled Gigabyte that comes out to $469 after the discount. You can also pick up this MSI Armor card with a twin-fan cooler for $479, and it has a $10 mail-in rebate too. The promo code should knock $50 off of any graphics card over $500, so take your pick. http://techreport.com/news/32570/tuesday-deals-graphics-cards-a-mobo-storage-and-a-big-tv In case people were still looking to grab one at this point, maybe even for hocking.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:http://techreport.com/news/32570/tuesday-deals-graphics-cards-a-mobo-storage-and-a-big-tv That article seems to have missed this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/GIGABYTE-Ge...DkAAOSwFKZZiyjV That's been that price there for a while and you don't have to sacrifice cooling for the most part. It's not the *greatest* cooler, I own one (and have owned two this gen), but its still in the premium cooler class. There is no throttling of any sort and runs at about ~55% fan speed, though that isn't very quiet its nothing like a blower or apparently the MSI Armor. edit: Forgot to mention that deal is made much sweeter with various ebay coupons and whatnot 1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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It's too bad SLI is dying/finicky, otherwise I'd be tempted to get a second 1080.
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Gyrotica posted:It's too bad SLI is dying/finicky, otherwise I'd be tempted to get a second 1080. Im a big time supporter of SLI still I just never mention it anymore because single card solutions cover most people's desires these days. Despite that I'd still caution anybody to be just as weary like youre being. We are still waiting on the DX12 holy grail of multi GPU support, but I wouldn't say SLI is dying either, it seems to be just as supported as it ever was (minus 3+ card). That is to say its very limited. But when it works, oh boy its awesome. And now memory bottlenecking would be so much less of a concern than before. I lucked out in that every game I wanted to play that didn't support SLI wouldn't have benefited from it in the first place based on GPU's I was using. That won't always be the case though. I'd only recommend it in the more traditional SLI scenarios, where the fastest card isn't as fast as you want to go (1080 SLI would qualify for that). Even if I were interested personally I'd still wait until prices drop or the buttmining bubble bursts for some cheap SLI loving
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Truga posted:AMD still has way too many compute customers waiting in line for their server APUs to be able to afford a third party doing their own poo poo with the gpus. Like I said earlier in the thread, consumer dgpu is only a small part of the whole picture, there's other big customers like apple around too. Most importantly though, their APUs been a flat out better buy than intel+nvidia compute clusters for many of applications for a few years now, and that's with lovely kaveri apus. Maybe/sorta/we can't really know this based on AMD public financial statements? AMD breaks down their financials in to "Computing and Graphics" vs "Enterprise, embedded, and semi-custom" (aka consoles), and then "Everything else". (And for AMD the two categories were about equal, with ~100m more revenue from computing and graphics group) Consumer DGPU is not at all a small market though. NV's q2 gaming only revenue (1.18 billion) was the same as AMD's revenue (1.2 billion) for *everything* Q2- And that's with AMD having a very good Q2 thanks to Ryzen and Threadripper launches. Yea, data center stuff is *growing* far faster than consumer DGPU, which, for NV at least, is a flat market, but it's not really there yet and is sorta approaching meme status as far as the number of nerds that will repeat DATACENTER!!!! as if it's the only market that matters. (Q2 NV gaming group revenue: 1.186b datacenter group revenue: 416m) Gwaihir fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Just fired up the new Forza demo. Runs okay with everything max @1440, I have a pair of 970s. But its not good enough. God drat I want that 1080ti but its just not in the cards right now. Its probably foolish to sell them off and try and get a 1080 as a stopgap isn't it?
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codo27 posted:Just fired up the new Forza demo. Runs okay with everything max @1440, I have a pair of 970s. But its not good enough. God drat I want that 1080ti but its just not in the cards right now. Its probably foolish to sell them off and try and get a 1080 as a stopgap isn't it? if you can get a cheap 1080 its not in a bad spot.
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codo27 posted:Just fired up the new Forza demo. Runs okay with everything max @1440, I have a pair of 970s. But its not good enough. God drat I want that 1080ti but its just not in the cards right now. Its probably foolish to sell them off and try and get a 1080 as a stopgap isn't it? You can just drop the eye candy to very high or so for more performance. There's a 99% chance you won't be able to see the difference in motion anyway without going pixel-hunting with a magnifying glass and told exactly where to look.
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