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Koalas March posted:Oh I'm glad someone else said it. Literally my opinion. He's already been co-opted by enough nutjobs, lets try to nip that in the bud.
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nerdman42 posted:Literally my opinion. He's already been co-opted by enough nutjobs, lets try to nip that in the bud. I can't think of any reason why this Frank would be gunning down brown or black people in particular, outside the flashbacks to Iraq. We barely see him attack the Mexican cartels in DDS2, most of his on-screen violence is against the Irish mob and totally-not-Hells-Angels.
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There's also the fact that in the comics, organized crime was directly responsible for is family's death. In this one, the culprit was a bunch of Army(Marine?) veterans. He's going to be like a guided missile at any conspiracy he uncovers related to those guys.
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Cythereal posted:I can't think of any reason why this Frank would be gunning down brown or black people in particular, outside the flashbacks to Iraq. We barely see him attack the Mexican cartels in DDS2, most of his on-screen violence is against the Irish mob and totally-not-Hells-Angels. Koala's March
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Discarding the political climate, why would Frank discriminate between organized crime? He's equally misanthropic towards them all regardless of nationality/ethnicity/skin colour, it just happened to be Irish and some random bikers running the show in DD2.
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It's important that villains/vigilante antiheros don't do anything distasteful. It matters. Did I do that right?
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GuyUpNorth posted:Discarding the political climate, why would Frank discriminate between organized crime? He's equally misanthropic towards them all regardless of nationality/ethnicity/skin colour, it just happened to be Irish and some random bikers running the show in DD2. Frank generally targets first everyone involved in his family's death. In DDS2, that was a combination of the Mexican cartels, Irish mob, a biker gang, and a PMC. That last is apparently going to be the villain of Punisher Season One.
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VictorianQueerLit posted:Koala's March Or mine was a direct response to Lud so context clues would say that we were talking about the short film. But ok whatever buddy.
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Sep 18, 2017 21:58
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Frank Castle as Jason Bourne sounds good to me. Just make a bunch of movies and call them Castle Doctrine.
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homullus posted:Frank Castle as Jason Bourne sounds good to me. Just make a bunch of movies and call them Castle Doctrine. His catchphrase can be "I'm standing my ground!"
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Proteus Jones posted:His catchphrase can be "I'm standing my ground!" "I'm standing on it, it's my ground."
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GuyUpNorth posted:Discarding the political climate, why would Frank discriminate between organized crime? He's equally misanthropic towards them all regardless of nationality/ethnicity/skin colour, it just happened to be Irish and some random bikers running the show in DD2. The character would take down any form of organized crime as well as random shitheads (like the child porn dealing pawn shop owner in DDS2), but your story takes on a different tack if he's gunning down italian mobsters, corrupt PMCs, and biker gangs, vs this:  Because of a lot of societal reasons and because he doesn't go after cops, Punisher's become a sort of idol for people like Chris Kyle and for cops who want to use lethal force on minorities but can't because of those darn pesky laws. This isn't something his creators and (most of) his writers intended, but if I was making a tv adaptation of the character, I'd try to mitigate those elements as much as possible.
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Sep 19, 2017 00:11
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Lurdiak posted:The character would take down any form of organized crime as well as random shitheads (like the child porn dealing pawn shop owner in DDS2), but your story takes on a different tack if he's gunning down italian mobsters, corrupt PMCs, and biker gangs, vs this: I'm willing to give Marvel the benefit of the doubt for the moment, they handled Frank pretty well in DDS2. Joe Bernthal himself has said that he plays Frank as Not A Good Person - you can sympathize with him, you can understand why he does the things that he does, but at the end of the day Frank isn't a good guy and knows he's not.
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https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/909904932215578625 So Frank as a slasher movie killer, okay.
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Cythereal posted:I'm willing to give Marvel the benefit of the doubt for the moment, they handled Frank pretty well in DDS2. Joe Bernthal himself has said that he plays Frank as Not A Good Person - you can sympathize with him, you can understand why he does the things that he does, but at the end of the day Frank isn't a good guy and knows he's not. Yeah, they managed to turn one of my least favorite scenes from the comics (Punisher tying Daredevil up and giving him the gun) into a really good scene by just changing a couple things. I think they've got a good handle on the character, but there's so many people involved that it's hard not to worry about one of them loving up and making an episode that's Death Wish 6. Honestly the best thing they could do to send a message that Punisher isn't supposed to be a right-wing power fantasy would be to have him shoot a dirty cop in the face, but I doubt they'll do that.
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Death Wish you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsPLw7I06eY Even the Kingpin is in that movie 
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howe_sam posted:https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/909904932215578625 This may very well own.
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Lurdiak posted:The character would take down any form of organized crime as well as random shitheads (like the child porn dealing pawn shop owner in DDS2), but your story takes on a different tack if he's gunning down italian mobsters, corrupt PMCs, and biker gangs, vs this: When does it become okay for the Punisher, who, we can all agree, is a bad person and who murders criminals, to murder black criminals? They need murdering about the same as the ones who aren't black.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:When does it become okay for the Punisher, who, we can all agree, is a bad person and who murders criminals, to murder black criminals? They need murdering about the same as the ones who aren't black. gently caress off, idiot.
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Lurdiak posted:gently caress off, idiot.
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Punisher is waging a war on crime. I hate to break it to you, but that can also involve some russians, italians, irish. gangs that are primarily made up of black people are also included. That set of issues (Punisher:MAX) where you showed a black guy getting poo poo for holding his gun the wrong way by frank is also the same one where you see the aftermath of a shotgun blast to the face. Pretty sure it was meant to ruffle some feathers AND further loving more, please don't mention the page before and that! Where it was a black gang and a group full of skinheads trying to complete a cocaine deal! If you're somehow looking for equal representation in everything (about an anti-hero that kills A LOT of criminals), maybe you should've included that too Fargin Icehole fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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howe_sam posted:https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/909904932215578625 Looking forward to Punisher: First Blood.
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SwissCM posted:They hosed it up in 2 movies. Punisher: War Zone was awesome.
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howe_sam posted:https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/909904932215578625 They already pushed that idea in DDs2 with Matt encountering Frank's handiwork in a meat packing plant and it works great.
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howe_sam posted:https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/909904932215578625 Can't wait to play Frank Castle in Dead by Daylight.
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homullus posted:Frank Castle as Jason Bourne sounds good to me. Just make a bunch of movies and call them Castle Doctrine.  (Also love the Dark Tower avvie. That and the electronic D&D labyrinth game ate up too much of my childhood.) Samizdata fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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JBP posted:This may very well own. It's actually making me interested in the Punisher series, and I really dislike the character.
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Here's hoping that he gets sidelined on hunting down government cover-up agents to shoot down a few
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i'm insanely bored of superheroes who don't kill so I'm looking forward to a vigilante who actually 100% wants to kill all the bad guys
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Zzulu posted:i'm insanely bored of superheroes who don't kill so I'm looking forward to a vigilante who actually 100% wants to kill all the bad guys Batman?
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MiddleOne posted:Batman? Or, you know, Manchester Black and the rest of The Elite.
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Lurdiak posted:gently caress off, idiot. That's not an answer, friend. Fargin Icehole posted:Punisher is waging a war on crime. I hate to break it to you, but that can also involve some russians, italians, irish. gangs that are primarily made up of black people are also included.
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Samizdata posted:Or, you know, Manchester Black and the rest of The Elite.  It's Jenny Sparks and rest of Authority, not those strawmen they turned into by the end.
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Lurdiak posted:Yeah, they managed to turn one of my least favorite scenes from the comics (Punisher tying Daredevil up and giving him the gun) into a really good scene by just changing a couple things. I think they've got a good handle on the character, but there's so many people involved that it's hard not to worry about one of them loving up and making an episode that's Death Wish 6. It would fit since most of the previous Defenders' series dealt with dirty or psycho cops. So it would make sense for Frank to encounter them and if he treats them as callously and clearly as he does criminals maybe it will do a good job cutting off the "Blue Lives Matter" appropriation that is sure to come.
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Zzulu posted:i'm insanely bored of superheroes who don't kill so I'm looking forward to a vigilante who actually 100% wants to kill all the bad guys Did you watch Arrow season 1, where Oliver tries to balance his messed up family life while spending all his free time murdering people?
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I still prefer JLU Green Arrow, just because I liked the one more down to Earth kinda leftish guy going 'Hey. Hey guys, this whole giant orbital weapon space station. This is really kinda freaky.'
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RareAcumen posted:Here's hoping that he gets sidelined on hunting down government cover-up agents to shoot down a few Or is it just me who feels a bit sorry for the guy? Every show they single him out for a beating, even if he has nothing to do with the plot!
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He's an amoral rear end in a top hat who not only sells drugs and guns in the series' but is directly responsible for a number of murders. Like, after Pop's murder while even Cottonmouth and Shades are struggling from it he's just standing there saying "Where's my money?" Turk deserves it.
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Ah yeah, that's a fair point. He used to hang out there too didn't he. Totally forgot about that, what a oval office.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Did you watch Arrow season 1, where Oliver tries to balance his messed up family life while spending all his free time murdering people? Yes, but then he stopped
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