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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:uh are you *sure* about that? That sounds exactly like every crazy conspiracy about a dead/missing girl ever. Oh far be it from me to throw cold water on a great story, but this sounds like the thrashing about of a grief-crazed family. And last I heard, all the security cameras have her just...wandering off. It's a horrible tragedy and it makes sense to create a huge story to give the death meaning, but so far this just seems like death from misadventure. I agree with not getting into weird conspiracies but eeeh she probably didn't just wander off into a refrigerator.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:New topic:. Staunton Virginia, about 45 min West of Charlottesville is a nice town. Picturesque downtown and the birthplace of Woodrow Wilson. Back in 1910, several massive sinkholes rapidly destroyed several buildings. That's hardly the spookiest thing about Staunton. quote:Joseph Spencer DeJarnette (September 29, 1866 – September 3, 1957) was the director of Western State Hospital (located in Staunton, Virginia) from 1905 to November 15, 1943. He was a vocal proponent of eugenics, specifically, the compulsory sterilization of the mentally ill.[1][2]
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:uh are you *sure* about that? That sounds exactly like every crazy conspiracy about a dead/missing girl ever. Oh far be it from me to throw cold water on a great story, but this sounds like the thrashing about of a grief-crazed family. And last I heard, all the security cameras have her just...wandering off. It's a horrible tragedy and it makes sense to create a huge story to give the death meaning, but so far this just seems like death from misadventure. Eh, pretty sure. I'd be surprised if this guy was bullshitting me. He's connected to the whole thing a couple of ways.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Eh, pretty sure. I'd be surprised if this guy was bullshitting me. He's connected to the whole thing a couple of ways. Uh... I hope they're not the ways I'm worrying about...
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Solice Kirsk posted:He's a cop. That doesn't actually resolve my concern.
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:uh are you *sure* about that? That sounds exactly like every crazy conspiracy about a dead/missing girl ever. Oh far be it from me to throw cold water on a great story, but this sounds like the thrashing about of a grief-crazed family. And last I heard, all the security cameras have her just...wandering off. It's a horrible tragedy and it makes sense to create a huge story to give the death meaning, but so far this just seems like death from misadventure. just wandering off...into a refrigerator, and dying. yes.
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Solice Kirsk posted:He's a cop. So tell us the rest.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:just wandering off...into a refrigerator, and dying. yes. Weirder things have happened than a drunk / high person walking into a walk in freezer, passing out and freezing to death. Neither story in implausible, shouldn't they release autopsy reports eventually?
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chernobyl kinsman posted:just wandering off...into a refrigerator, and dying. yes. Pretty much the plot of every situation comedy during a writer's strike. Minus the dying, but boy how we hoped.
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TheGreasyStrangler posted:That's hardly the spookiest thing about Staunton. ...my father was born in Staunton in the early 50s. 
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chernobyl kinsman posted:just wandering off...into a refrigerator, and dying. yes. I don't know all the details of this story- but if you've ever worked in a restaurant with a large, walk-in refrigerator you know that the doors are very heavy, often only open from the inside by pushing, and the floors can become very slippery over time from accumulated spills. It's not completely insane that someone not operating at 100% could get trapped in one.
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The drunker I got last night the more I started to disbelieve what the guy told me. It would still be weird of him to go into as much detail as he did, and I only found out because he got a call during our meeting that went over some stuff and I asked him where the hell that happened. Still, Chicago cop. These are the guys that had a secret torture site after all.
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letthereberock posted:I don't know all the details of this story- but if you've ever worked in a restaurant with a large, walk-in refrigerator you know that the doors are very heavy, often only open from the inside by pushing, and the floors can become very slippery over time from accumulated spills. It's not completely insane that someone not operating at 100% could get trapped in one. Yeah, but saying a velociraptor can get stuck in one is ridiculous.
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That is certainly a similar story to the rumors I saw around Twitter about that case, and I gathered that it is, at least, a local rumor, not something dreamed up by amateur internet sleuths. The rumors I saw also said that she didn't drink that much, but she's visibly stumbling around in the security videos, which would be consistent with someone drugging her.
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Dunno if anyone's been following it this past week but the Holly Bobo case finally went to trial and it's been a doozy. The state's case is entirely circumstantial witness testimony from a cadre of idiot meth heads, the star witness whose case forms the narrative being given total immunity for involvement. The defense has been weirdly incompetent, failing to follow up on some low hanging fruit from the prosecution and instead poking holes in seemingly random places. The judge has a very obvious bias against the defense, very early on allowing the major witness as a surprise, then chastising the defense for being unprepared. Just all over the place. Some testimony has resolved some mysteries though, such as why some were offered immunity. It's also sprang some pretty wild theories that weren't even considered before: Holly's cousin was the motivation for the kidnapping, offering Holly up for a threesome; her brother was the motivation, they were going to teach him how to make meth and Holly caught them; that it was actually a totally different guy who had a rap for stalking girls. Dark poo poo.
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Danger posted:Dunno if anyone's been following it this past week but the Holly Bobo case finally went to trial and it's been a doozy. The state's case is entirely circumstantial witness testimony from a cadre of idiot meth heads, the star witness whose case forms the narrative being given total immunity for involvement. The defense has been weirdly incompetent, failing to follow up on some low hanging fruit from the prosecution and instead poking holes in seemingly random places. The judge has a very obvious bias against the defense, very early on allowing the major witness as a surprise, then chastising the defense for being unprepared. Just all over the place. Some testimony has resolved some mysteries though, such as why some were offered immunity. It's also sprang some pretty wild theories that weren't even considered before: Holly's cousin was the motivation for the kidnapping, offering Holly up for a threesome; her brother was the motivation, they were going to teach him how to make meth and Holly caught them; that it was actually a totally different guy who had a rap for stalking girls. Dark poo poo. The mother of two of the defendants, per Wikipedia: quote:Cindy told reporters that her two sons are "thieves and drug addicts" whose lives revolve around their addictions, but insists that pulling off a murder plot and covering it up is above their abilities. "Look at his rap sheet. I mean Zachary cannot even go out and steal a deer stand without getting caught," she said.
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I'm torn because I find parts of Autry's testimony believable, but some is just way too convenient. Like he orchestrated a scenario where he witnessed the murder with next to no involvement beyond happenstance. I think, if Adams was involved, he was way more than he lets on. Also the prosecution did a ton of work preparing him, making sure he focused on only parts that could be corroborated by other witnesses and he clearly struggled when cross examined to expand on others. Everyone involved is just shady as poo poo, except the victim. Also lots of focus on self-phone pings that is just next to useless. The whole thing is just tragic. The details are just now leaking out via this trial and it's still just as hard to put together.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:New topic:. Staunton Virginia, about 45 min West of Charlottesville is a nice town. Picturesque downtown and the birthplace of Woodrow Wilson. Back in 1910, several massive sinkholes rapidly destroyed several buildings. Holy poo poo. I live in Staunton. I had never heard of this story. TheGreasyStrangler posted:That's hardly the spookiest thing about Staunton. Ok I did know about that. He was a truly reprehensible man. Who knows how many people were outright murdered by this man in the name of eugenic science. Fun fact: developers recently converted the building that housed his office into luxury apartments. They charge in excess of $2,000 for apartments in a town where a standard two bedroom apartment goes for about $750/month. Besesoth posted:...my father was born in Staunton in the early 50s. Maybe I'm your brother Real talk though, I had a uncle (or great uncle or something?) be committed to Western State. When he died nobody in my family wanted to claim the body since he was (allegedly) such a bastard. Western State boxed it up and threatened to mail it to the relative's home, so they finally went and claimed it.Another thing to add about Staunton... Western State, like most mental institutions, maintained a cemetery for any patients who died without any relatives. It's a bizarre and spooky cemetery since all the tombstones are simply numbered, no names at all. The aforementioned developers now own the land and refuse to allow anyone - including descendants - onto the property. I've always found it bizarre that people walk their dogs past private cemeteries filled with numbered graves of the mentally ill (or just poor people who were unlucky enough to be experimented on by DeJarnette). joshtothemaxx has a new favorite as of 23:43 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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chernobyl kinsman posted:what was in the bucket tho Nothing. It was turned upside down. The thing that upset him was the skull, which apparently wasn't in the bucket. He just misspoke.
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EmmyOk posted:This thread is causing too much reports right now so please drop this argument and move on. It's pretty clearly long past anything that will be productive for you guys or more importantly anyone else in the thread. This is horrifying and just... I don't even know. gently caress. I want to shower and cry after reading this.
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Finagle posted:This is horrifying and just... I don't even know. gently caress. yeah. poor guy.
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"black disabled people are the most in danger people in our society from negative forces and people who think they know better" proceeds to rape a mentally disabled person "he's actually a woke white middle-aged person who likes red wine and everything I do" e: The court ruling about facilitated communication is so loving bad. Here's a great article about how easily it was disproven after failing the most simple tests and why it's so harmful. The story about the facilitator who kept getting called fat rosie by the disabled girl when it turned out the facilitator was the one writing all the messages is funny and hosed up. http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...sabilities.html EmmyOk has a new favorite as of 14:31 on Sep 20, 2017 |
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EmmyOk posted:e: The court ruling about facilitated communication is so loving bad. Here's a great article about how easily it was disproven after failing the most simple tests and why it's so harmful. The story about the facilitator who kept getting called fat rosie by the disabled girl when it turned out the facilitator was the one writing all the messages is funny and hosed up. ETA: I had no idea FC had made inroads in the autism community. I thought it was used for physical disabilities like cerebral palsy. I can see how it would be plausible to parents of autistic kids, though, since it's not unusual for non-speaking autistic people to be able to communicate through typing. The key difference, of course, is that those people do their OWN typing. (One quibble I have with the above article is his dismissing of advanced vocabulary/phrasing as uncharacteristic of a child. It is very, very common for autistic kids to talk like that - "little professors' as Asperger called them.) pookel has a new favorite as of 15:09 on Sep 20, 2017 |
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The whole thing is really hosed up. Like if you think it's weird that people go to psychics to talk to dead family members, then this is even more crazy.
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Yeah I know but they are still writing all the messages, the other person is doing nothing. I don't think the very vast majority of them realise they're doing this but they are still responsible for those messages. The fact that the tests didn't make them think "oh wow this is totally in my head and this is wrong" is unforgivable.
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I was surprised to see that ASAN (which I generally agree with uncritically) expressed some degree of support for FC. Is it possible that some of what's called FC is not actually this method? Example: I have a Facebook friend whose daughter was brain-damaged as a baby and has symptoms similar to cerebral palsy. She is severely disabled physically, but doesn't have an intellectual disability. She has an iPad set up with custom messages and can navigate through it with small finger movements. She also communicates with blinks and eye movements. What she does with her iPad isn't FC at all - no one is holding her arm. But I wonder if some defenders of FC think that it's just another type of assistive technology, like this.
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The problem with all these pseudo and fake sciences is the people behind them are extremely good at presenting them as legitimate science. A good tactic is like what you mentioned, where they compare it to things that seem similar that have actually passed scientific rigour. I'm harping on about this to no one in particular it's just really frustrating. It's not like the evidence proving its falseness is even vastly complex or difficult to understand or even remotely vague, it's about as black and white as things can be.
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I'm pretty sure King Leopold's Ghost was mentioned in this thread before, but it just got recommended to me by a Congolese refugee client of mine. I only just started reading it, but it's pretty heavy. I knew a little bit of what happened, but holy poo poo was it worse than I could have imagined.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:what was in the bucket tho Nothing. Solice Kirsk posted:Jesus, what a poo poo show. The defense finally has a credible witness today with their cell phone expert. Making a pretty convincing case that Adams could not have been with Holly that day, or it makes Autry's version of events impossible at least. We're just never going to know what the gently caress happened here and it's pretty horrific.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm pretty sure King Leopold's Ghost was mentioned in this thread before, but it just got recommended to me by a Congolese refugee client of mine. I only just started reading it, but it's pretty heavy. I knew a little bit of what happened, but holy poo poo was it worse than I could have imagined. Sounds like it should also be required reading for anyone who thinks that Africans are "naturally" uncivilized or violent.
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Netflix produced a documentary series ("The Keepers") about the death of a nun in 1969 who was a teacher at a Catholic girls' school in Baltimore. There's no question its murder but some of her old students are desperate to get to the bottom of her death because they fear they know why she was killed. They think a coworker of her's, a priest, killed her because she knew too much about the sexual abuse that occurred at the school and was going to blow the whistle. I thought it was a really good mini-series, if a bit slow at times. The further I got, the less certain I was about who the killer could be because they're just so drat many reasonable scenarios. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but this time all signs point to a coverup by both the government and the church. If you feel like spending several hours getting madder and madder at the Catholic church and the local government for doing coverup for the Catholic church it's a good watch.
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My boss literally renounced the Catholic Church after watching The Keepers. She's almost 70 years old. Had me witness the letter and everything.
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There was a god-damned Law & Order episode about FC in the 90s, saying that it was fake. It blows my mind that something pop culture said was fake 20 years ago still has proponents like that.
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JibbaJabberwocky posted:Netflix produced a documentary series ("The Keepers") about the death of a nun in 1969 who was a teacher at a Catholic girls' school in Baltimore. There's no question its murder but some of her old students are desperate to get to the bottom of her death because they fear they know why she was killed. They think a coworker of her's, a priest, killed her because she knew too much about the sexual abuse that occurred at the school and was going to blow the whistle. i have a family member who was abused by the priest and he had threatened her and her family, so like. yeah. afaik they're refusing to release documents related to it still! how nice of them
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Pick posted:A man in the Belgian Congo is forced to consider the severed hand and foot of one of his children. He didn't make his quota. 1st: thanks for the picture with no warning and embedded you sick gently caress. This isn't the dumping the ground for your torture porn. 2nd: where's the loving article?
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