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men: my partner must be petite, busty, skinny, big rear end, a virgin, perfect skin, perfect teeth and well mannered women: i'd prefer someone who's 6" tall men: I've started a political movement about the unfairness of the dating world and am calling for women's rights to be abolished
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Amnizu posted:at least we wouldn't have to suffer further posts from you We also wouldn't have retards who don't know how to use the ignore button. 54 40 or gently caress posted:Lol imagine carrying a baby in your body for nine months, breastfeeding, rocking him to sleep and singing softly just for him to grow up and be an incel I can't help but get the feeling that most incels were neither breastfed nor rocked to sleep. well why not posted:men: Alternatively: I'll marry someone I don't really like all that much and spend the rest of my life quietly resenting both of us lol.
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Sep 19, 2017 13:13
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Yeahhh, I feel like theirs Mothers probably weren't the cuddling type. A lack of empathy saved for the neglected  Then again I know a guy I suspect is an incel. Lives at home with his parents, spends too much time on the internet. His parents seem like nice enough people. He went on some huge "society is anti-male" screed and I was going to screenshot and share but he deleted it immediately lol
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Sep 19, 2017 13:23
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:the reason people don't talk about this is that it's unsolvable. there is always going to be some portion of people who will be considered extremely unappealing to others as a romantic or sexual partner. which portion of people may change over time or vary by society, but it never goes completely away. Sure it's unsolvable. But it doesn't mean that we can't acknowledge it. I mean, this kind of hosed up thing happens all over the place. Young people are told to buy in to the most positive possible narrative regarding career, romance, etc. They're not just told to, they're told they must do so, that not buying into it is "giving up" and a sign of deep personal weakness. Then when things don't actually turn out that positive - as statistically they were probably never going to - if they complain the same people turn around and call them "entitled"! Even worse, some will even say that the only reason things didn't turn out right for them is that they were entitled - as if they had never been told the exact opposite before. And then people are surprised when they turn out to feel betrayed and disenfranchised.
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Sep 19, 2017 14:08
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To be fair, I don't think the "standard narrative" is all that contradictory. You're supposed to aim for the stars but accept "only" reaching the moon (while still trying harder). What's hosed up about it is how it treats people who aren't particularly ambitious. People who are happy enough with a 9-5 and chilling out afterwards.
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Sep 19, 2017 14:17
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54 40 or gently caress posted:Lol imagine carrying a baby in your body for nine months, breastfeeding, rocking him to sleep and singing softly just for him to grow up and be an incel I'm sorry about future Pnurtis
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Sep 19, 2017 14:31
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hyphz posted:Ditto and very common with adults learning musical instruments. You get to the point of being able to play a couple tunes, maybe, and then hit the wall of being good enough to play things you want but not good enough to play for anyone else. You could try to get there, but that means switching from casual enjoyable play to devoted hours of practice, and really, are you going to join a band? Is anyone going to want to listen when they have 3gb of their favorite songs on their watch? Really? I know it's not necessarily your exact outlook, but this attitude of "what's the point of self improvement if it doesn't get me some kind of physical benefit?" pervades a few of your posts and it's sort of sad. Picking up new skills and learning new things is rewarding in itself. Learning music is enriching to the mind and spirit regardless of whether you're going to be in a band or get a job in a production studio. I actually think a lot of what makes incels unhappy is narcissistic obsession with empty social achievements and a total lack of interest in actually rewarding activities. Even when they pick up hobbies, they seem to see it as a means to an end, and are totally joyless in the pursuit of the hobby itself.
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Sep 19, 2017 14:36
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54 40 or gently caress posted:Yeahhh, I feel like theirs Mothers probably weren't the cuddling type. A lack of empathy saved for the neglected I'd be surprised if most of the posters there were abused From what I keep reading, it seems like the opposite situation: they come from a privileged background with parents that may have spoiled them a bit too much. Would explain the "please hand feed me everything" expectation of life.
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Android Blues posted:I know it's not necessarily your exact outlook, but this attitude of "what's the point of self improvement if it doesn't get me some kind of physical benefit?" pervades a few of your posts and it's sort of sad. Picking up new skills and learning new things is rewarding in itself. Learning music is enriching to the mind and spirit regardless of whether you're going to be in a band or get a job in a production studio. I think it might be the other way round. Do you think that incels are unable to enjoy hobbies because they are obsessed with status? I think it's an inability to take enjoyment from their lives that leads them to pursuing empty narcissistic goals.
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Elliot came from a very wealthy family and had every opportunity to excel in life but he spent his life playing World of Warcraft and making weird rear end videos of himself on youtube. Almost everyone saw him as the shy, quiet guy who avoided social interactions but from his point of view the entire world became an enemy He never once made any real efforts to become a part of the world, he basically just started rejecting it immediately since he didn't get everything he wanted without trying
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Sep 19, 2017 14:44
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Android Blues posted:I actually think a lot of what makes incels unhappy is narcissistic obsession with empty social achievements and a total lack of interest in actually rewarding activities. Even when they pick up hobbies, they seem to see it as a means to an end, and are totally joyless in the pursuit of the hobby itself. Or, you know, perhaps they've had it hammered into them that "they are the problem" and are therefore assessing all their activities in terms of success at fixing that problem. And are afraid of time passing without it being fixed.
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Zzulu posted:Elliot came from a very wealthy family and had every opportunity to excel in life but he spent his life playing World of Warcraft and making weird rear end videos of himself on youtube. Almost everyone saw him as the shy, quiet guy who avoided social interactions but from his point of view the entire world became an enemy What's your point. Also, coming from a wealthy family is not an automatic remedy for the sort of brain problems he had.
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Sep 19, 2017 15:01
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loving stop trying to serious post at Benny god drat lol
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Sep 19, 2017 15:09
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hyphz posted:Or, you know, perhaps they've had it hammered into them that "they are the problem" and are therefore assessing all their activities in terms of success at fixing that problem. And are afraid of time passing without it being fixed. Well, I mean, they are the problem. That's true. There isn't an external problem here making them bitter lonely misogynists. I don't think a lot of them want to change honestly. They're obsessed with their own perceived low status and use it as a comfort blanket to excuse their fear of actually having to engage in activities where you can succeed or fail. They also use it to satisfy the Elliott Roger-like narcissism a lot of them seem to have - all the talk about how they should LDAR and have negative canthal tilt and such is just another form of total self-obsession. They want to be stuck in permanent childhood where they're the centre of the universe and they don't have to do anything hard, but they also want to be feted and recognised for their intrinsic importance as men. This central contradiction is why incels are so terrifying and funny to read about. If they do want to change though, recognising that hobbies and interests should be enjoyable in their own right rather than simply a mechanistic means to advance you closer to a social milestone is valid advice. "Enjoy yourself, learn to love yourself, and work towards a good life that doesn't need to have a relationship in it to be full and satisfying" is the best "how do I get a date" advice I can think of, because even if it doesn't get you a date, it still works.
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hyphz posted:Or, you know, perhaps they've had it hammered into them that "they are the problem" and are therefore assessing all their activities in terms of success at fixing that problem. And are afraid of time passing without it being fixed. True. And it's especially difficult regarding sex and romance. With other activities it is so much easier to get constructive criticism. If you're genuinely trying at your job, most bosses will help you in my experience. The same is true for other people taking part in a hobby. A guy that doesn't know how to approach women is (un)hosed. Asking for advice will either get you laughed at or you get some wishy washy bullshit like "just talk to them". Which while true, is a bit like telling an unemployed person to just "apply for jobs" or someone starting to play basketball to throw the ball at the hoop. It's not exactly like you can really learn by trial and error. When you just don't know how to approach women, doing it makes you feel like such a creep.
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I would also point out that there's a big difference between "guy who can't get a date" and "poster on the incel subreddit". Those people are nearly unilaterally bitter monsters who are determined to make their situation worse than it is through a combination of self-obsession, hatred and fear.
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Sep 19, 2017 15:21
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Android Blues posted:Well, I mean, they are the problem. That's true. There isn't an external problem here making them bitter lonely misogynists. There are external factors that drive them that way, although those factors themselves are not problems. quote:I don't think a lot of them want to change honestly. They're obsessed with their own perceived low status and use it as a comfort blanket to excuse their fear of actually having to engage in activities where you can succeed or fail. To some extent. But the same mindset also creates that fear and need for comfort, in assuming that any activity that can fail will. quote:If they do want to change though, recognising that hobbies and interests should be enjoyable in their own right rather than simply a mechanistic means to advance you closer to a social milestone is valid advice. "Enjoy yourself, learn to love yourself, and work towards a good life that doesn't need to have a relationship in it to be full and satisfying" is the best "how do I get a date" advice I can think of, because even if it doesn't get you a date, it still works. It's good advice in isolation, yes. The problem is that you cannot give a person advice in isolation. In the context "you'll meet a girl when the time comes" advice that many men have heard all their lives up to that point - and some have been pushed or harangued into believing - it sounds like the advisor is giving up (ie, going from "you will meet a girl" to "plan not to") And yes, it probably wasn't the same person who said that (although sometimes it was), but there is a natural tendency for anyone who seeks advice to conflate all advice given by different people together into a single unit, on the assumption that it all stems from a central "correct answer".
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Benny Harvey posted:When you just don't know how to approach women, doing it makes you feel like such a creep. The easiest way to practice talking to women is to have male friends with girlfriends, and to hang out in casual group settings with them. Of course, incels see a woman who they can't gently caress as a waste of their time, so they never get to do this.
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Android Blues posted:Well, I mean, they are the problem. That's true. There isn't an external problem here making them bitter lonely misogynists. I'm not so sure. I think it's a case of learned helplessness while at the same time giving them a feeling of control. They feel that they have no way of improving their lives so they make the choice to LDAR because at least that way it's their choice. I agree with your advice at the end. Unfortunately so many people (not just incels) don't treat getting a date/making yourself dateable as something you work towards. It's something you just gotta do or else you're a hosed up creep and a loser. Even though not getting dates doesn't make someone a hosed up creep and a loser. Being a hosed up creep and a loser makes someone undateable.
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HazCat posted:The easiest way to practice talking to women is to have male friends with girlfriends, and to hang out in casual group settings with them. I already do that. I can talk to women platonically just fine once I get to know them.
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My Linux Rig posted:nihilistic_retard• 14h Lol, healthcare is like one of the largest, if not the largest, sector of the US economy (15%+ of the US national GDP is spent on health care), and 70%+ of American healthcare workers are women. You know, no physical labour or analytical thought involved in healthcare at all.
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Shanghaied posted:Lol, healthcare is like one of the largest, if not the largest, sector of the US economy (15%+ of the US national GDP is spent on health care), and 70%+ of American healthcare workers are women. You know, no physical labour or analytical thought involved in healthcare at all. As a feminist I oppose socialised health care.
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Benny Harvey posted:But then some people just don't like anything, even if you factor out the goal-oriented mentality. Depression is a thing. I have taken up some hobbies just for the sake of appearing normal and not letting people know that I'm a copy of a human. Because people won't accept that. If you don't have hobbies you're lazy and just need to "live, laugh, love" and all that poo poo. Otherwise, gently caress you and stop being a miserable oval office. That's the attitude. People think that depressed people of those who are otherwise empty inside need (and I say need because they're are people who get personally offended if you reveal this aspect of your true self to them) to just man the gently caress up. I'm depressed and I have hobbies besides whining in the incel mock thread
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Benny Harvey posted:As a feminist I oppose socialised health care. Truly, the worst of all Bennys (Bennies?). quote:Suicide Fuel [List of Things We Missed Out On]
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Improbable Lobster posted:I'm depressed and I have hobbies besides whining in the incel mock thread Good for you. Symptoms vary. Do you still enjoy your hobbies? E: I'm not whining either. I'm just giving an explanation on how I see certain things. I don't blame people for how I am, I just wished they would stop judging me for something I haven't done. I don't even actually feel sad. Benny Harvey fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Captain Yossarian posted:loving stop trying to serious post at Benny god drat lol
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Shanghaied posted:Truly, the worst of all Bennys (Bennies?). taking a girl's virginity is not all its cracked up to be, my dude
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Benny Harvey posted:Good for you. Symptoms vary. You're a huge bitch baby
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I'm sorry about future Pnurtis Oh he'll catch hands if I ever catch him talking like this
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Improbable Lobster posted:You're a huge bitch baby How?
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Does nothing make you happy, Mr. Benny
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quote:Wna cry, but dont have tears. Completely numb inside. Its not blackpill, its deadpill
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:taking a girl's virginity is not all its cracked up to be, my dude Is it really taking if nobody involved wants to keep it?
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:taking a girl's virginity is not all its cracked up to be, my dude It doesn't matter though. All incels care about is status. So for them it is all it's cracked up to be. Zzulu posted:Does nothing make you happy, Mr. Benny I don't think so. I can take some pleasure or interest in things but that's about it.
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Benny Harvey posted:I already do that. I can talk to women platonically just fine once I get to know them. Then why do you care about approaching (presumably unfamiliar) women? Most people don't blind date, they date friends of friends. I've literally never dated a man who I didn't know through friends, and I honestly can't imagine why I ever would.
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