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A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

jarofpiss posted:

what is to be done about all the drat anarchists?

anarchy is actually extremely cool and good, Marx just missed a step

feudalism --> Capitalism --> socialism --> Communism --> anarcho-communism

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

if homework explainer or whoever wants to say hi at the people's congress of resistance I'm there. it's cool

i wanted to go but i'm in china now. it looked really good. care to share with the thread?

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006

R. Guyovich posted:

i wanted to go but i'm in china now. it looked really good. care to share with the thread?

Yeah it's a gathering of basically communist organizers and activists, mostly as far as I can tell affiliated with PSL and its affiliate orgs like answer coalition etc. I have been in and out of it this weekend but I had a chance to catch part of the opening plenary and a couple of workshops. The workshops have been real great - hearing from people who actually do the work in working class communities is really great. I sat in on a community organization workshop and heard from undocumented women organizing - and "proletarianizing" - other undocumented women who had been trafficked into this country (they were big fans of Maoism and owned hard lol). Most of the workshops I sat in on were about immigration and gentrification/housing issues.

The crowd is mostly young, pretty diverse, I'd peg it at a couple hundred people. I'm making new friends and catching up with some old ones. If this wasn't such a crazy weekend here's in DC (juggalos, my family visiting, my car needs service etc) I'd be getting even more out of it

it's a conference that is doing a real cool job of drawing connections between all the different struggles of people in the movement - connecting anti-racism, anti-capitalism, anti-imperialism, feminism, queer activism, and more - across all the different fronts of the struggles and across the whole country

The manifesto they put out and are drafting is pretty cool. hope they do this again

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Autism Sneaks posted:

Maoism-Friendzonism

maoist third wheelism

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 214 days!

Homeless Friend posted:

maoist third wheelism

marxist-leninist-wingmanism

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Homeless Friend posted:

maoist third wheelism

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Betas of the world unite!

You have nothing to lose but your virginity!

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

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Oct 15, 2014


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Jul 4, 2012

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Make sure Jake is kept off the Central Committee

Rated PG-34
Jul 1, 2004





ratio is off

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Jul 4, 2012
penny doesnt rhyme with time

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc2Epj_Jy_I

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

A Typical Goon posted:

anarchy is actually extremely cool and good, Marx just missed a step

feudalism --> Capitalism --> socialism --> Communism --> anarcho-communism

no thanks

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Whatever, this shits boring, who cares

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Larry Parrish posted:

Whatever, this shits boring, who cares

https://twitter.com/mrcreepergamer5/status/909916730608275456

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/MaoistRebelNews/status/73936019300417536

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

A Typical Goon posted:

anarchy is actually extremely cool and good, Marx just missed a step

feudalism --> Capitalism --> socialism --> Communism --> anarcho-communism
Missed this but there's no difference between communism and anarcho-communism, the only difference is the road you take to get to that stage, read theory pls

Rated PG-34
Jul 1, 2004




A Typical Goon posted:

feudalism --> Capitalism --> socialism --> Communism --> alien-dolphin-human-singularity

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dreddout posted:

Missed this but there's no difference between communism and anarcho-communism, the only difference is the road you take to get to that stage, read theory pls

Anarcho communism is merely communism once it has achieved stability

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/sadbukharin/status/910264690407768064

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Jul 4, 2012
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Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

:chanpop:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Larry Parrish posted:

Anarcho communism is merely communism once it has achieved stability

It's semantics since communism as envisioned is inherently stateless, at least wrt what we today define as a state.

I'm sure the psychic dolphins of the future will look at Anarchists vs Communists the same way we look at Federalists vs Democrat-Republicans. It won't make any difference to them, as the goal has already been achieved.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

ideally there's never gonna be a future where we're not coming for your toothbrushes :twisted:

Ormi
Feb 7, 2005

B-E-H-A-V-E
Arrest us!
it's a common assumption that anarchists and marxists all view the state and what qualifies as its dissolution the same way and merely debate the path forward, but most historical theorists among either camp would disagree

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I like to stick with Marx and consider communism the economic system and anarchism the political system. They're related but not the same. Like the Soviet Union was definitely communist but not very anarchist in any real sense. Somalia is pretty dang anarchist but it's not exactly a Marxist dream either

Serf
May 5, 2011


Larry Parrish posted:

I like to stick with Marx and consider communism the economic system and anarchism the political system. They're related but not the same. Like the Soviet Union was definitely communist but not very anarchist in any real sense. Somalia is pretty dang anarchist but it's not exactly a Marxist dream either

iirc the soviet union had communism as their goal but up to the end still claimed that they were in the middle stages of building socialism

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

No the USSR referred to itself as communist, leading to the European tendency for non-Stalinist groups to define themselves as socialists rather than communists.

All in all, this just demonstrates that defining these things is a total loving mess and rather than getting lovely over a particular label you should abuse your opponents based on their terrible ideas.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

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Larry Parrish posted:

I like to stick with Marx and consider communism the economic system and anarchism the political system. They're related but not the same. Like the Soviet Union was definitely communist but not very anarchist in any real sense. Somalia is pretty dang anarchist but it's not exactly a Marxist dream either

Anarchy does not equal anarchism, just as while all anarchist societies are stateless not all stateless societies are anarchist

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

stalinism is communism, anything else is revisionism

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

just kidding haha

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

ideally there's never gonna be a future where we're not coming for your toothbrushes :twisted:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

namesake posted:

No the USSR referred to itself as communist, leading to the European tendency for non-Stalinist groups to define themselves as socialists rather than communists.

All in all, this just demonstrates that defining these things is a total loving mess and rather than getting lovely over a particular label you should abuse your opponents based on their terrible ideas.
Pretty sure Leninism stressed that communism and socialism were two distinct stages of development.

Communism as an ideology has almost always reffered to non reformist state socialists, like ya know, the Soviet Union as opposed to say 1930's France.

IIRC Marx didn't like the label socialist, or social Democrat because he felt like they didn't make a strong enough statement


Ormi posted:

it's a common assumption that anarchists and marxists all view the state and what qualifies as its dissolution the same way and merely debate the path forward, but most historical theorists among either camp would disagree
IDK dude I don't think mutualists have ever been a big camp among anarchists. And most ancoms seem to agree with Marxists on what communism is, but not socialism, the state, or ideal tactics.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

what's the official communist line on USSR's ethnic population .... "transfers"

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Oct 24, 2015

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Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009
It never happened and even if it did it was Beria's fault and not as many people died as right-wingers say and they all deserved it anyway

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


In my mind, I’m never gonna die in no ghetto, absolutely never. If a man turns around and punches me the fight’s on, if he cuts me, the fight’s on, if I’m shot the fight is on. I’m not losing no fight to no scumbag out there in no ghetto. Period. That’s it. No son of a bitch out there is gonna get me. The only way he gets me is to cut my head off, and I mean that. I’ll fight you till I got a breath left in me. I don’t think any of those animals in that street can beat me. I’ve gone that way for eighteen years of street service, street duty, and that’s the way I’m going to keep on going. You don’t lose the fight!

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