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So that 12nm spin is going to be OG Zen, not anything architecturally improved, other than erratas?
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 00:25 |
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Yeah, semi-accurate is 'legit' insofar as its been around and tried its best; it has set itself up as an 'industry' news site, hence the price.Malcolm XML posted:hell yeah bois up uP UP!!!! And I was just about to make this point lol. It's almost certainly that either they decided the process improvements were advanced enough for 14+++++++++ or whatever to merit a new marketing name, they decided to implement triple/quad patterning for FE and kept double for BE 1/2, or both.
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 00:56 |
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12nm isn't even on the list of technology nodes https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/WikiChip
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 01:20 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:So that 12nm spin is going to be OG Zen, not anything architecturally improved, other than erratas? It depends on whether the gate assembly is different that the current 'node'. It's no longer just shrinking the size of transistors, but changing how they are assembled and connected. For instance, a change from 14nm LPP to 12nm LPU would involve a complete redesign of the chip layout. It's also a question of if this new node/process is even going to be used by AMD, and which part of AMD (GPU vs CPU) would even choose to adopt it.
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 07:46 |
I believe that link explicitly says that AMD is using it for both ryzen and vega, and thats the entire point of the presentation the link is reporting on
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 09:25 |
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https://www.computerbase.de/2017-09/globalfoundries-12lp/ 12LP stands for "leading performance" and is a optimized version of 14nm with 15% higher density and "10% higher performance". GF still claims that they're skipping 10nm by going from 14 to 7nm because 12LP is technically 14nm. Risk production for both 7nm and 12LP starts in the 1H/2018 so the author doesn't expect products before Q4/2018. This article makes it sound like GF is having similar troubles with 7nm as Intel with their 10nm.
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 12:38 |
Well, yeah, both intel-10 and gf-7 are banking on EUV working out, which so far it isnt doing so hot
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 12:46 |
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Well, yeah, both intel-10 and gf-7 are banking on EUV working out, which so far it isnt doing so hot glofo 7nm isn't just them its part of that whole glofo/ibm/someother dudes all going yeah gently caress intel let's make 7nm happen.
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 13:28 |
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If it's Q4/18, it better be Zen 2.
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 14:44 |
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Has AMD signaled whether they plan on eventually providing current generation Ryzen-based products with support for faster than DDR4 3200 RAM via an AGESA update or motherboard chipset revision? Or is there a known limiting factor that definitely puts a ceiling on this generation at DDR4 3200, such as Infinity Fabric losing its poo poo if the CAS latency of the RAM is too high? I don't think DDR4 3200 is lacking or anything, it's just that after seeing the performance increases in benchmarks when going from DDR4 2800 to DDR4 3200, I can't help but wonder how Ryzen would do at even higher memory clocks. Going up from CAS 14 to CAS 16 you can find kits of DDR4 3600 16-16-16-36 at the same voltage. Go from CAS 14 to 18, and you find DDR4 4000 18-19-19-39. The highest clocked DDR4 I see on newegg atm is DDR4 4400 CAS 19 timings 19-19-19-39. I'm hoping the memory compatibility issues that we've seen patched in bios updates are just the result of AMD not having the time to roll out bios profiles for the variety of assorted DRAM chips on the market yet. If Ryzen can benefit from additional memory bandwidth at the expense of additional latency, well.. gently caress that would be sweet.
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 18:57 |
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eames posted:https://www.computerbase.de/2017-09/globalfoundries-12lp/ Eh, it could also mean AMD is dropping 7nm DUV because EUV is expected soon enough that it doesn't make sense to do a 7nm DUV and EUV Zen2. It could also mean there would be some degree of segmentation in what exactly is getting 12nm LP and 7nm DUV as well, so 12nm desktop products but 7nm mobile and server because GloFo simply doesn't have the capacity to do a blanket 7nm production for all AMDs products in 2018. That's very different from having process problems.
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 19:29 |
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Bloody Antlers posted:Has AMD signaled whether they plan on eventually providing current generation Ryzen-based products with support for faster than DDR4 3200 RAM via an AGESA update or motherboard chipset revision? Or is there a known limiting factor that definitely puts a ceiling on this generation at DDR4 3200, such as Infinity Fabric losing its poo poo if the CAS latency of the RAM is too high? I don't think DDR4 3200 is lacking or anything, it's just that after seeing the performance increases in benchmarks when going from DDR4 2800 to DDR4 3200, I can't help but wonder how Ryzen would do at even higher memory clocks. Recent bios updates got my non samsung b-die g.skill ram to run at 3200 w/out any issues.
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 19:29 |
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FaustianQ posted:Eh, it could also mean AMD is dropping 7nm DUV because EUV is expected soon enough that it doesn't make sense to do a 7nm DUV and EUV Zen2. It could also mean there would be some degree of segmentation in what exactly is getting 12nm LP and 7nm DUV as well, so 12nm desktop products but 7nm mobile and server because GloFo simply doesn't have the capacity to do a blanket 7nm production for all AMDs products in 2018. e: can't read, you are right though. AMD demand strong
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 19:30 |
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Well, yeah, both intel-10 and gf-7 are banking on EUV working out, which so far it isnt doing so hot p sure intel 10 is still multi patterning only
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 20:19 |
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also we're getting into nodes that need multi-patterned EUV which is gonna be hella fun
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 20:20 |
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eames posted:https://www.computerbase.de/2017-09/globalfoundries-12lp/ Also don't forget this part is versus 16nm TSMC, not 14nm LPP. I thought 14nm LPP was already denser than 16nmFF+, so uh, is this just a rebranding of a process?
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 20:44 |
wargames posted:glofo 7nm isn't just them its part of that whole glofo/ibm/someother dudes all going yeah gently caress intel let's make 7nm happen. Really? I thought that was just for '14', and they went on their separate ways (granted, with the lessons learned from 14) Malcolm XML posted:p sure intel 10 is still multi patterning only It's very really a possibility I constructed a fake memory based on samsungs and everyone else's roadmaps of 'multi patterning sub-14 then euv sub-14+'
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 04:11 |
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Really? I thought that was just for '14', and they went on their separate ways (granted, with the lessons learned from 14) https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/ibm-unveils-industrys-first-7nm-chip-moving-beyond-silicon/ from ars quote:IBM, working with GlobalFoundries, Samsung, SUNY, and various equipment suppliers, has produced the world's first 7nm chip with functional transistors
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 04:26 |
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Corsair has finally confirmed that they will implement support for the 20C offset in Corsair Link soon
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 04:47 |
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Just built my first Ryzen setup. I went with the MSI B350M "Pro Gaming" board, some Corsair RGB DDR4 (it's all Microcenter had in stock when I got there as far as 3000mhz+ 16gb kits), and the 1600x, with my first ever M2. I had purchased a 1070 a few months ago. The RAM I have running at 2966, but I think it'll hit 3200 if I play around with it some more. I'm thinking about OC'ing the 1600x... but it seems like, if I do that, then the processor runs at 100% power all the time? Is that functionality baked into the AM4 platform, or am I missing something? This is a step up from my 2500k at 4.2ghz. I decided to take the plunge even though benchmarks didn't show that much of a speed improvement... but it's definitely faster. My fps in BF1 (and everything else) are way more consistently high now than they used to be. Sneeze Party fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Sep 24, 2017 |
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What you want is P-state overclocking, which leaves all the power management and idle-throttling capabilities enabled, but lets you tweak the top-end speed and voltage. It should be under an "AMD CBS" submenu in your bios, and there are easy to find guides on various sites. BF1 is actually pretty decently multithreaded and can take advantage of Ryzen's ample cores. Enjoy your buttery smooth multitasking too! Edit; not apropos of the above: I had to RMA my 1700 for the "performance marginality" segfault problem. AMD's RMA department took a few days to start the process once I opened the support ticket. They had me test a few times with various BIOS settings and send them a picture of the inside of my case to make sure I didn't put it together incorrectly, and then issued a prepaid FedEx label. The new chip arrived about a week after I shipped out the bad one, and it's a good sample which goes to 3.8GHz at stock voltage and doesn't segfault under heavy load. Thanks AMD! Ryzen satisfies, and so did AMD support. SamDabbers fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Sep 24, 2017 |
# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:17 |
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What I've found so far is that MSI B350 motherboards don't support p-state overclocking. Bummer.
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# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:05 |
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SamDabbers posted:Edit; not apropos of the above: I had to RMA my 1700 for the "performance marginality" segfault problem. AMD's RMA department took a few days to start the process once I opened the support ticket. They had me test a few times with various BIOS settings and send them a picture of the inside of my case to make sure I didn't put it together incorrectly, and then issued a prepaid FedEx label. The new chip arrived about a week after I shipped out the bad one, and it's a good sample which goes to 3.8GHz at stock voltage and doesn't segfault under heavy load. Thanks AMD! Ryzen satisfies, and so did AMD support. Holy poo poo, that's a top ten percenter.
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# ? Sep 24, 2017 23:24 |
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Ryzen chips underclock and undervolt themselves automatically, even without p-states. Some motherboards support p-states in addition to the on-board power management features, but they're rare and the users of those boards don't report good results from using p-states. If you overclock Ryzen, it will still step down when there's no work to do. You can see it happen in something like hwinfo.
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# ? Sep 24, 2017 23:28 |
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FaustianQ posted:Holy poo poo, that's a top ten percenter. I have to use 1.375V to hit 3.8 stable.
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# ? Sep 24, 2017 23:34 |
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So I got my Threadripper build finally finished (for now) and im running at: 4.1ghz 1.385v 3200Mhz 14-13-13-28-42 2 Sli 1080tis @ 2076Mhz core measured from the Vcore pinout my Zenith board has and only hitting over 60c when I run prime95 ( cpu hits 310W ) Also getting some sick mad 3Dmark scores in Firestrike like this one : 30K https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22326827 still need to work on getting Pstate clocking to work Scarecow fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Sep 25, 2017 |
# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:06 |
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That's a hell of a build and good overclocking numbers, will probably do something similar with Threadripper 2 and Big Volta sans SLI.
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:14 |
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310W for 16 cores running @ 4.1GHhz seems...low?
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:14 |
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FaustianQ posted:310W for 16 cores running @ 4.1GHhz seems...low? I'm going off by what HWinfo says my cpu power draw is so
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:19 |
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Scarecow posted:I'm going off by what HWinfo says my cpu power draw is so It's just that Skylake-X seems to draw way, way more.
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 02:10 |
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FaustianQ posted:It's just that Skylake-X seems to draw way, way more. It could be because intel includes vrm power draw while amd does not? I'll look into it tonight after work
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 02:41 |
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I'm jealous! That thing looks like it should be in the Reanimator's lab; mine looks like a bird's nest.
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 02:56 |
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https://zippy.gfycat.com/GraciousActiveCoral.webm This is why we can't have nice things
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 04:01 |
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I'm loving dead holy poo poo.
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 05:43 |
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Hahahahaaa
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 06:28 |
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"PC building is easy" -Reddit
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 06:29 |
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lmao. it's probably mayonnaise too.
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 06:32 |
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What kills me is that the dead board is also an AMD board. Oh well, socket AM3+, no big loss at this point.
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# ? Sep 25, 2017 08:03 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:https://zippy.gfycat.com/GraciousActiveCoral.webm Is it legal for them to sell it with no warranty or return? Over here everything sold by retailers must have a minimum of 2yrs warranty, and if you order online you get a 15 days window to return it without justification (both being EU regulations), which applies to open box items too. I thought America would have something similar.
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3peat posted:I thought America would have something similar. america is garbage
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