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Ze Pollack posted:we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us Her record was further left than Obama... so we should move to the right?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao, again good luck in 2018. you'll need it The beauty of being me is that I'll succeed under either party's rule so thanks!
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If only some people on the left had as much concern for stopping Graham-Cassidy as they did for preserving their own moral purity. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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We need more statists in the Dem party and socialists and people fighting for social justice, not necessarily in that order. That must be the coalition to counter the GOPs libertarian, corporate, and racists respectively. For some reason our coalition wants to fight with two of our three weapons behind our backs, and historically speaking this is what causes new parties to form and either take over and be absorbed. When the parties agree on too much, too much of the constituency goes unrepresented. We are seeing signs we can do the latter with the Dems and I think we can largely agree the country would be better for it. We need the statists to show government works, the socialists and egalitarians/social justice advocates to drive our hearts and leadership, if you only have energy enough to devote yourself to one of these that's ok, but show solidarity with your allies. Recognize who we all are and build coalitions with THEM, not republicans.
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[quote="CNN Unedited Transcript: "LIVE: America Votes! Election Results with CNN" ed. November 6th, 2018 "]Anderson Cooper: This looks like, like, a disappointing narrow miss for the Democratic Party as the Republicans expand their majority in both chambers. We are going to check in with Gloria Berger, who has the just released CNN exit polls, to try and gain some insight into these results. Gloria? Gloria Berger: Thank you Anderson. This was a squeaker to say the least. According to our exit polls, the #1 issue that seems to have dominated turnout results nationwide is the disrespect shown to SomethingAwful.com forums user "Raskolnikov38" in a September 2017 iteration of the USPOL, that's shorthand on the website for "United States Politics", discussion thread. I've talked to many DNC operatives and they are all saying that this was a self-inflicted wound by the party. Many lay blame on forums user "Submarine Sandpaper" and urge a new direction for 2020. You're going to be seeing a lot of post-mortems tonight Anderson; Victory has a thousand fathers, but failure is an orphan. Back to you in Atlanta.[/quote]
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Raskolnikov38 posted:well best of luck to y'all in 2018 since you have 0 interest in doing anything but making GBS threads on the group you want to vote for you *We* don't have any power to meet your demands. I'm a democratic socialist, so there is a good chance I want at least 90% of what you want. I'm sure this thread roughly agrees up to 80% of what a leftist agenda looks like. The issue is that you can only do that through the Dem party, and you can only do that by replacing the current Dems, starting at the local levels and working your way up. So yeah, Dems are making GBS threads on the left right now... so it's our job to get them the gently caress out when possible and start shifting the overton window to the left. The solution isn't to become disengaged, it's to become *more* engaged.
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Push El Burrito posted:Her record was further left than Obama... so we should move to the right? please don't mind the dead iraqis
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao, again good luck in 2018. you'll need it Who, exactly, are you trying too convince here? Because I suspect a majority of SA will be just fine following most political outcomes. Are you so well off that you have no skin in the game and can post stupid poo poo like this? Or are you actually impacted by day to day policies and just really stupid and unconstructive?
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Pembroke Fuse posted:The solution isn't to become disengaged, it's to become *more* engaged. Our brothers and sisters are suffering and need us, the time for action is now.
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Democrazy posted:If only some people on the left had as much concern for stopping Graham-Cassidy as they did for preserving their own moral purity. we ain't the ones discussing trading away people's healthcare without a fight, my man
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Ze Pollack posted:please don't mind the dead iraqis Obama physically trying to keep Hillary from the "bomb Iraqis" lever on his desk.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:well best of luck to y'all in 2018 since you have 0 interest in doing anything but making GBS threads on the group you want to vote for you Oh good Ggod that's coming up can we just blast the world into a nuclear hellhole because there's no way in hell that election won't be insufferable as gently caress 
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Boon posted:Are you so well off that you have no skin in the game and can post stupid poo poo like this? That's 99% of this subforum's "leftists" in a nutshell, yes.
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There too much meaningless nuance in American politics. I want out.
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Disengaging with the political process is stupid, especially now. I'm trying to work within the Dems (via DSA) but I don't think that's the only way to go. Just be doing SOMETHING more productive than complaining about centrists on the internet. I mean complain too knock yourselves out but also actually do something that matters
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Boon posted:Seriously, someone needs to come in here and set some rules because despite the Trump thread being essentially USPOL before this reopened there was never the sustained shittiness of internet 'leftists' that the last couple of days has seen. Some of these posters do not post in Trump, or if they do rarely. There is an entire thread dedicated to the idea that the Dems are bad, gently caress off to that thread I'm wary to say "do this, don't do that" but I'm open to being convinced of the need for it, I would rather people use their frustration positively and try to come up with answers rather than just whining about problems but I'll be honest I think I am unqualified to uniformly apply a standard of quality to people's posting other than recognizing when a particular post isn't probably a helpful tone. USPOL tends to be bad hardest when people post like that's all it can be for.
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Ze Pollack posted:please don't mind the dead iraqis I'm pretty sure that at this point, American foreign policy is the gift that keeps on giving. Being terrible on foreign policy is pretty much the lowest cost for a politician. There is a really good chance that if you threw a rock at a Dem, you'd hit someone who's supported some horrible foreign policy initiative. I don't think you should use this as the first litmus test for the coming crop of candidates. This is more of a step 2 issue. Step 1: Find politicians who don't want to murder their own people Step 2: Find politicians who don't want to murder the peoples of the world Pembroke Fuse fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Disengaging isn't really gonna be productive, but on the other hand, I can't really blame people for getting tired of fighting the uphill fight to save the Democratic Party from itself. If the Democrats want people to vote for them, they need to explore actually making changes that will get people to want to vote for them. If they're so insistent on resisting the left and shutting them out of US politics completely, well, it's not really the left's responsibility to rescue the Dems from electoral irrelevance. If the Dems want to succeed, they should be the ones working toward that, not struggling with all their might as the left drags them kicking and screaming toward basic concepts like "having a coherent message is good" and "maybe we should prioritize people over corporations".
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Ze Pollack posted:we ain't the ones discussing trading away people's healthcare without a fight, my man So far, the ideas that I have heard have boiled down to "magically become the majority again to vote on our own healthcare plan" and "physically block Senators from voting", both of which are dumb and would not work. Instead, I would take making an overture for compromise without a bill, which will effectively save Obamacare for the cost of a few words.
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TeenageArchipelago posted:Even if it has been posted it can't be posted enough: On the day that the Equifax breach was disclosed a Rep from Georgia introduced legislation to limit the damages that the big 3 would be able to be forced to pay in a class action law suit to $500,000, regardless of class size. That's some brazen corruption. We really need to start fighting back wrt politicians on both sides being bought and paid for
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Mr Hootington posted:"""Leftists"""
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:A core tenet of the left is empathy which you abandon with the third party vote. I'm shocked your conscious can handle it, you sociopath. we only claim medicare for all is a russian plot to destabilize the democratic party because we care
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:A core tenet of the left is empathy which you abandon with the third party vote. I'm shocked your conscious can handle it, you sociopath. 
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Boon posted:Seriously, someone needs to come in here and set some rules because despite the Trump thread being essentially USPOL before this reopened there was never the sustained shittiness of internet 'leftists' that the last couple of days has seen. Some of these posters do not post in Trump, or if they do rarely. There is an entire thread dedicated to the idea that the Dems are bad, gently caress off to that thread I seem to recall the answer to being told to gently caress off to the Dems are a waste thread (either here or in the Trumpenthread before this reopened) was basically, and with zero self awareness, "but that thread is horrible!  "
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MizPiz posted:For starters, propose legislation that show my actual convictions. It doesn't matter if it doesn't actually pass, people just want proof you'll fight for something and aren't just waiting for your invitation to the high class pedo-orgies. Literally hundreds of bills are proposed every year that get sent straight to the legislative waste basket. The media doesn't cover the Dem legislative proposals because they are not in the majority and the chairmen of the relevant committees don't schedule hearings. You may need to educate yourself on how this poo poo works. MizPiz posted:Coordinate with protestors to disrupt the meetings surrounding it and take over the floor when it comes to a vote. If the Dems actually saw Trump and the Republicans as the force of destruction everyone else does, they'd do everything they could to make the government nonfunctional.  OK, this is a whole new level of stupid. Do you think congress lacks security? Congratulations, you just got a whole lot of idealistic idiots arrested, and they are now facing horrifyingly stiff prison sentences. Meanwhile the media narrative has shifted towards the Dems being an unreasonable, unruly mob, opinion in middle America shifts from "oh my God Trump is horrible" to "geez, both sides are bad", and persuadable votes who could have helped sink this horrible, very real health care bill harden to voting yes to show they don't stand with the mob. That leads to tens of millions of Americans losing health insurance and tens of thousands needlessly dying every year. What do you say to those people who were hurt because of your stupid, self-destructive political strategy? "Sorry, but I had to use 'direct action' to show how mad I am, consequences be damned"?
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Y'all can go gently caress yourself. The leftists have been the only ones actually doing anything to oppose Trump and the Republicans through direct action. While you were trying to restart the cold war and moralize over the rights of nazis, leftists were the ones stopping literal political terrorism from both private and governmental forces. Until you're ready to put your body in harms way to protect the disenfranchised in this country, you don't have the right to say poo poo.
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MizPiz posted:Y'all can go gently caress yourself. The leftists have been the only ones actually doing anything to oppose Trump and the Republicans through direct action. While you were trying to restart the cold war and moralize over the rights of nazis, leftists were the ones stopping literal political terrorism from both private and governmental forces. Until you're ready to put your body in harms way to protect the disenfranchised in this country, you don't have the right to say poo poo. Okay cool, I'm glad. Take it to the Dems are a waste thread.
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MizPiz posted:Y'all can go gently caress yourself. The leftists have been the only ones actually doing anything to oppose Trump and the Republicans through direct action. While you were trying to restart the cold war and moralize over the rights of nazis, Lol wut? No one here is doing this stuff. Boon posted:Okay cool, take it to the Dems are a waste thread.
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MizPiz posted:Y'all can go gently caress yourself. The leftists have been the only ones actually doing anything to oppose Trump and the Republicans through direct action. While you were trying to restart the cold war and moralize over the rights of nazis, leftists were the ones stopping literal political terrorism from both private and governmental forces. Until you're ready to put your body in harms way to protect the disenfranchised in this country, you don't have the right to say poo poo. thank you for your service
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MizPiz posted:Y'all can go gently caress yourself. The leftists have been the only ones actually doing anything to oppose Trump and the Republicans through direct action. So you don't give even the slightest drat that your approach would cost tens of millions of poor people their health insurance, which would then kill tens of thousands per year. Not worth it if it means being seen trying to talk Republicans out of their madness. Do you consider them to be martyrs to the cause, or are you just a sociopath?
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RuanGacho posted:I'm wary to say "do this, don't do that" but I'm open to being convinced of the need for it, I would rather people use their frustration positively and try to come up with answers rather than just whining about problems but I'll be honest I think I am unqualified to uniformly apply a standard of quality to people's posting other than recognizing when a particular post isn't probably a helpful tone. USPOL tends to be bad hardest when people post like that's all it can be for. The thing is that primary chat turns into an all consuming leftist vs liberal slap fight. There is no debate, there is no discussion there is only screeching and screaming. Though it is with in the scope of the thread allowing it shits up the thread and prevents anything else from being discussed. Even with the semi-prohibition we have now it is still half the thread. So to me the question is: Is this thread for discussion of US politics minus primary chat or is this thread for primary chat? I don't think there will be a middle ground.
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MizPiz posted:Y'all can go gently caress yourself. The leftists have been the only ones actually doing anything to oppose Trump and the Republicans through direct action. While you were trying to restart the cold war and moralize over the rights of nazis, leftists were the ones stopping literal political terrorism from both private and governmental forces. Until you're ready to put your body in harms way to protect the disenfranchised in this country, you don't have the right to say poo poo. You aren't really great at this whole democratic part of democratic socialism, are you?
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Democrazy posted:You aren't really great at this whole democratic part of democratic socialism, are you? People can say whatever they want, but there is no obligation to take them seriously if they have no credibility. That is democracy.
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Rigel posted:Literally hundreds of bills are proposed every year that get sent straight to the legislative waste basket. The media doesn't cover the Dem legislative proposals because they are not in the majority and the chairmen of the relevant committees don't schedule hearings. You may need to educate yourself on how this poo poo works. THE OPTICS!
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