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But yeah it basically depends on which party list you like more.
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Sep 22, 2017 02:45
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Golriz is awesome and she's on the edge. I know the Green Party Staffer saying "vote Green" doesn't mean poo poo but Golriz really is something else and she's somebody you want in parliament.
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Sep 22, 2017 02:52
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Golriz is awesome and she's on the edge. I know the Green Party Staffer saying "vote Green" doesn't mean poo poo but Golriz really is something else and she's somebody you want in parliament. yeah I'm having trouble balancing the good green MPs vs the Not Good green leadership/management and I think I've come down on the side of just voting labour. I think I'd rather have competent, okay policies than incompetent people with better policies. I'll be happy to vote green again if you can convince me that the people responsible for running a candidate in ohairu and for literally everything to do with the turei debacle won't be involved in...well, any sort of decision making.
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Sep 22, 2017 03:11
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Minor parties are forced into running electorate candidates because it gives them more funding, however the Greens are at fault for never requesting Green voters vote for the Labour candidate in Ohariu. That said it's not exactly the Greens fault that Dunne would compromise all his principles in return for being part of the government. Green party leadership is actually pretty good, it's the grassroots of the party that is hosed.
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Sep 22, 2017 03:24
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In a left wing victory, the Labour party will be doing the lion's share of the leadership and management anyway as the majority party that fills the cabinet. I'd argue that the main thing that comes out of a strong Greens turnout is the amount of their policies that get enacted as part of the deal making that follows MMP elections. So in essence, wouldn't it be exactly the opposite of what you said, awesomoe?
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Sep 22, 2017 03:29
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The parties are a lot more alike than they were pre-MMP. Let's have a Labour-Green-National coalition.
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Sep 22, 2017 03:34
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Yeah, and the folks making internal party decisions aren't gonna be the folks in parliament/doing public policy stuff anyway. Who to run where etc is still in their hands but they're not actually going to make decisions that affect your life. Although tbh I am not against the Ohariu thing. I like Labour in principle, but jesus Greg O' Connor really? The guy who thinks NZ police should be more like American police, and wants officers to carry guns? If they were that interested in beating National, they shouldn't have picked somebody who Greens loving hate.
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Sep 22, 2017 03:35
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Nition posted:The parties are a lot more alike than they were pre-MMP. Let's have a Labour-Green-National coalition. A Lab/Nat grand coalition would be entirely workable if the far-right wing of the Nats weren't completely insane. I don't think Labour has a comparable far-left collection of MPs?
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Sep 22, 2017 03:42
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https://thespinoff.co.nz/tv/22-09-2017/the-spinoffs-bumper-guide-to-watching-the-election-results-tomorrow/ Probably going to be switching between RNZ and Maori TV tomorrow
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Sep 22, 2017 03:42
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El Pollo Blanco posted:
What do you mean?
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Sep 22, 2017 03:44
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awesmoe posted:yeah I'm having trouble balancing the good green MPs vs the Not Good green leadership/management and I think I've come down on the side of just voting labour. I think I'd rather have competent, okay policies than incompetent people with better policies. I'll be happy to vote green again if you can convince me that the people responsible for running a candidate in ohairu and for literally everything to do with the turei debacle won't be involved in...well, any sort of decision making. I prefer to vote for people who actually believe in something, and will stand for their values even when it's unpopular. Labour caves the second a policy only has 49% support from the electorate.
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Sep 22, 2017 03:52
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Wandle Cax posted:What do you mean? Heavily underfunded, obviously, and prone to potentially damaging gently caress ups.
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Sep 22, 2017 04:03
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bike tory posted:https://thespinoff.co.nz/tv/22-09-2017/the-spinoffs-bumper-guide-to-watching-the-election-results-tomorrow/ I am thinking I might just binge something on Netflix instead...
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Sep 22, 2017 05:36
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I ended up voting last week, went Green. It's funny, since I voted I haven't really followed the election anymore. I only read about it anyway, I can't stand watching the news or listening to the radio but if I can read about it fine. But yeah it's almost like it doesn't matter now because I can't change it and they can't change my vote. As for the result, like always I hope for the best (Labour/Green) but expect and am prepared for the worst.
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Sep 22, 2017 05:41
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El Pollo Blanco posted:I don't think Labour has a comparable far-left collection of MPs? Sure they do, they've got their own party though.
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Sep 22, 2017 05:54
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Golriz owns In labour you've got like... Michael Wood? Jenny Salesa? Maybe a couple of other good ones.
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Sep 22, 2017 06:08
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^Michael Wood will get in through his electorate seat. That said, I don't recognise a single name on Labour's list past Tamati Coffey, whereas the Green list had a bunch of awesome people who are probably going to miss out on their current numbers 
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Sep 22, 2017 06:26
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Oh, I was just naming the only good labour mps I could think of lol. They iirc have an ex-head of Shakti on their list, she seemed good Read this to see Gareth Morgan's policy programme get dismantled for the incoherent neolib trash it is: http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/gareth-morgan-in-his-own-words/
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Sep 22, 2017 06:33
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Just had a chat to a workmate who wasn't aware this weekend's the election and hasn't enrolled argh
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Sep 22, 2017 06:44
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awesmoe posted:yeah I'm having trouble balancing the good green MPs vs the Not Good green leadership/management and I think I've come down on the side of just voting labour. I think I'd rather have competent, okay policies than incompetent people with better policies. I'll be happy to vote green again if you can convince me that the people responsible for running a candidate in ohairu and for literally everything to do with the turei debacle won't be involved in...well, any sort of decision making. I don't think O'Connor is under any threat by Woodley tbh
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Sep 22, 2017 06:54
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xiw posted:Just had a chat to a workmate who wasn't aware this weekend's the election and hasn't enrolled https://twitter.com/izzyelle/status/911087421961363456
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Sep 22, 2017 07:12
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awesmoe posted:yeah I'm having trouble balancing the good green MPs vs the Not Good green leadership/management and I think I've come down on the side of just voting labour. I think I'd rather have competent, okay policies than incompetent people with better policies. I'll be happy to vote green again if you can convince me that the people responsible for running a candidate in ohairu and for literally everything to do with the turei debacle won't be involved in...well, any sort of decision making. Dunne's bonus vote is gone. Why shouldn't the Greens run there?
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Sep 22, 2017 07:14
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xiw posted:Just had a chat to a workmate who wasn't aware this weekend's the election and hasn't enrolled I've been personally responsible for 3 people actually going to vote. I live overseas and they didn't even know where the polling station (NZ Embassy) was.
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Sep 22, 2017 07:17
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bike tory posted:^Michael Wood will get in through his electorate seat. I went to school with Brooke loader. I can attest she is precisely the kind of person you want in politics.
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Sep 22, 2017 07:38
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awesmoe posted:.. and for literally everything to do with the turei debacle won't be involved in...well, any sort of decision making. If it helps, Metiria was actually totally right to come forward and talk about hardship she faced 20+ years ago, how it made her a strong voice for people in the same situation and how only electing people who have no idea of these realities is actually how we perpetuate a broken system forever.
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Sep 22, 2017 07:51
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Apparently Newshub had a story ready to run stating that it was Orivida digging for swamp kauri who nicked the pipe and just put the dirt back and moved on. The story cleared legal but is being held up for some reason. https://twitter.com/RusselNorman/status/911057792684797953 Varkk fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Sep 22, 2017 |
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Sep 22, 2017 07:58
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gently caress I don't have outside work contact details for them
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Sep 22, 2017 08:27
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Dunne's bonus vote is gone. Why shouldn't the Greens run there? I'm for the Greens running there because their presence there means they'll be on people's minds Much as I'm not a fan of O'Connor, that's why I'd rather him in the seat than Hudson, particularly if he keeps the approval of the electorate - a guy they like (or are even okay with) on a red background is better than a guy on a blue background. It says something about Ohariu that even the Green candidate is ex-military~
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Sep 22, 2017 08:50
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Midget Fist posted:Prepared for the worst. Congratulations Prime Minister David Seymour.
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Sep 22, 2017 08:55
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bike tory posted:
Duncan Webb's a good guy
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Sep 22, 2017 09:14
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Nition posted:Congratulations Prime Minister
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Sep 22, 2017 09:42
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lmao absolutely everyone is brutally ripping the poo poo out of Seymour on 7 days.
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Sep 22, 2017 10:30
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Sep 22, 2017 10:31
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Have you stopped beating your wife?
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Sep 22, 2017 10:52
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Heavily underfunded, obviously, and prone to potentially damaging gently caress ups. "Hey guys, we are treading water at 10% and labour has been resurrected so we might actually get to be in government. Let's stop talking about polluted rivers and climate change and focus on social policy for a bit eh? The press never look for skeletons because we are the greens so we'll be sweet, and secure at least a 5% bump!" Green Party leadership.
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Sep 22, 2017 11:20
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Pretty sure it was before Little stepped down that Metiria started that whole benefit fraud thing, herself not the press, and it did initially seem to be working. Then the electorate fraud thing came out and it kind of spiralled from there
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Sep 22, 2017 11:26
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:"Hey guys, we are treading water at 10% and labour has been resurrected so we might actually get to be in government. Let's stop talking about polluted rivers and climate change and focus on social policy for a bit eh? The press never look for skeletons because we are the greens so we'll be sweet, and secure at least a 5% bump!" The Labour leadership change occurred 15 days after Turei's admission, as far as the Greens were concerned Labour were hosed at 23% in the polls and there'd be another National government.
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Sep 22, 2017 11:35
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So might as well go down with them, right? Roll the dice. One transgression sure, fine. But two after the expected media and middle sensationalism over something so minor, what did they expect would happen. And we've lost an excellent leader from the house. Slim chance we may lose the greens from the house entirely. That's smart political leadership. I know of people who almost threw in their card when they found out the leadership did what they did. Those centre greens who were so vital in pushing past that 7% core were very nervous. Some were called repeatedly asking if they were still going to vote green, and subsequently they don't really want to be seen as rats leaving a sinking ship. And that's how I see the greens this election. A sinking ship. The grass roots are just fine. A bit ragged around the edges, the leadership have a lot to answer for in making that decision to go public on social policy. They were doing just fine. A shame, really.
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Sep 22, 2017 11:45
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Is this thread going to be locked from midnight to 7pm tomorrow?
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Orange Guy noooooo I had to explain Orange Guy to my Irish boyfriend, because orange is the Protestant colour here and strongly associated with like, paramilitary loyalists  E: I've heard a lot of stuff lately from previously self-identified Green voters talking about 'what the Greens did', like they've disappointed them
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