safely sodomized posted:just entirely wrong **** after super Tuesday when it was already lost **** (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 14:56 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 03:44 |
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The last time we let leftist racism go unchecked we got Hitler. Make sure to go out and punch those rear end in a top hat antifa, DSA, and Berniebros. We can stop them through means tested punching.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 14:56 |
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Regardless of when it was put on the website, I think if we learn anything from 2016 it's that check my website doesn't really work for anyone. I remember the questions Bernie flubbed about racism vs class issues. I remember when he called southern primary voters (Many who are black people) as more conservative than in the north. He did had a messaging problem at the least on the issue.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:00 |
Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Regardless of when it was put on the website, I think if we learn anything from 2016 it's that check my website doesn't really work for anyone. that's a generous recollection of "low information voters"
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:01 |
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Regardless of when it was put on the website, I think if we learn anything from 2016 it's that check my website doesn't really work for anyone. That had to be learned?
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:03 |
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:**** after super Tuesday when it was already lost **** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOuuiqo6KgE
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:03 |
safely sodomized posted:just entirely wrong This seems disingenuous. He added that later. I remember it was a big thing in the primaries, he didn't address any of that until BLM took his mic. I guess I should've reiterated that I am speaking about the primary/election. There is also this big problem: If you are trying to court black people to your movement you need to take their concerns seriously and you need to seem sincere. Often yall get so loving defensive when we call poo poo out. this intersects with white fragility in a way. So many white leftists will blow up at a black person or just stay ridiculously condescending and paternalistic. There is a huge "I know whats best for you" vibe. You're supposed to be enticing us with candles and wine, not taking us to day care. the reason no other groups have to do this is because we already are comfortable with the Dems (especially people who have inroads in our community) and anyone with half a brain has already written off the GOP.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:03 |
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Was low information another time? I seem to recall there specifically being a time when he called southern democrats more conservative as well. I could be mixing things up. All I know is it made me pretty steamed and actually got me to vote in my states mostly useless primary.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:05 |
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There was a lot of dismissal of "Southern Democrats" on these forums after Super Tuesday.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:06 |
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Koalas March posted:This seems disingenuous. He added that later. I remember it was a big thing in the primaries, he didn't address any of that until BLM took his mic. I guess I should've reiterated that I am speaking about the primary/election. wasn't the mic incident from like august of 2015? i seem to recall it was ages before any primaries
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:06 |
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Cory Booker, Mark zuckerberg, or Kamala Harris will be the nominee in 2020. Seems silly to be arguing over a section of the Democratic party that will be ignored and isn't the actual base if the party.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:09 |
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Taerkar posted:There was a lot of dismissal of "Southern Democrats" on these forums after Super Tuesday. The funny part was people saying their votes should count for less than others.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:09 |
Raskolnikov38 posted:wasn't the mic incident from like august of 2015? i seem to recall it was ages before any primaries Honestly its hard for me to remember which is why I have been trying to use qualifiers. But truly the reaction to those jumping to defend Bernie and belittle me for my mistakes (not here, necessarily) is another turn off. If you are trying to court people, (and yes, unfortunately us leftists need to court more people into the movement) you have to use a bit of sincerity, grace and finesse. Not the usual "lmao you are wrong rear end in a top hat" internet approach. This is why I used the used the wine vs daycare analogy. Hoots, are you advocating for throwing black people under the bus there? The Dems can't win without us. Unless they flip to straight racism there is a percentage of the white electorate that they will never capture and Dems need to accept it and move on. Here's another thing you need to do to get more poc votes: Stop trying to court racists. They have no place in civilized discourse and want nothing more than to support policies that cause human suffering. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Sep 22, 2017 |
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:12 |
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One of the Not-Gawker-Anymore-But-Still-Basically-The-Same-Thing sites did a write-up on Beto O'Rourke. It's pretty good! I had no clue the dude had ties to At The Drive-In / Mars Volta of all things. Makes me like him even more. http://splinternews.com/if-this-punk-rock-democrat-can-win-in-texas-maybe-we-r-1818632384 Splinter posted:
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:16 |
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I cannot honestly tell the level of sincerity in posts like Hootingtons anymore.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:17 |
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Every single leftist I know that exists in the actually existing world (as opposed to twitter) perfectly recognizes the shortcomings of the Bernie campaign. A very quick look at the DSA stances on race, the justice system, reparations, immigration, Israel v Palestine or any of those topics should make that absolutely clear to anyone. What makes "leftists" online defensive with regards to accusations of racism isn't a denial of racism, but that 9 times out of 10 those accusations come from someone who supports a centrist democrat. So you end up with a TFA shill like Brittany Packnett talking about how her encounter with Sanders was so deeply problematic even as she continues to shill fo TFA and the charter movement, which is one of the main drivers of residential and school segregation in the country. And then the cherry on top is that after months of Packnett talking about her opposition to Sanders because of her meeting with him, Hillary's book comes out where she essentially openly admits that she has no clue what BLM is about.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:19 |
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Playstation 4 posted:I cannot honestly tell the level of sincerity in posts like Hootingtons anymore. Same here.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:20 |
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El Pollo Blanco posted:There should be no feminists who are anti-sex workers, maybe some who are anti-sex work, though. that's what i meant. like, i don't think sexworkers should be being put in jail and such, but i'm not sure about promoting sex-work i've heard good arguments both for and against
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:20 |
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Koalas March posted:Honestly its hard for me to remember which is why I have been trying to use qualifiers. But truly the reaction to those jumping to defend Bernie and belittle me for my mistakes (not here, necessarily) is another turn off. If you are trying to court people, (and yes, unfortunately us leftists need to court more people into the movement) you have to use a bit of sincerity, grace and finesse. Not the usual "lmao you are wrong rear end in a top hat" internet approach. This is why I used the used the wine vs daycare analogy. Excuse Me? My stance has been to seize the bus, take turns driving, and charge the same fare to everyone.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:22 |
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Main Paineframe posted:What's wrong with apologizing? Absolutely nothing, except when people disingenuously demand others to apologize for actions of unrelated actors as a way of remove their credibility - again and again and again, no matter how many times the accused party had already made amends. Posters who insist on the collective guilt of all leftists are just trying to shut down a segment of the population by making any discussion they are part of about their supposed atonement, not about issues.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:28 |
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https://twitter.com/CillizzaCNN/status/911224143022092289 Lmao
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:31 |
steinrokkan posted:Absolutely nothing, except when people disingenuously demand others to apologize for actions of unrelated actors as a way of remove their credibility - again and again and again, no matter how many times the accused party had already made amends. Posters who insist on the collective guilt of all leftists are just trying to shut down a segment of the population by making any discussion they are part of about their supposed atonement, not about issues. What segment of the population are they trying to shut down, and who are to shut them down in the first place? I feel like you're being really vague on purpose, in order to obscure your real opinion. What are you really trying to say? Get as specific as possible.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:35 |
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Anything I don't like is a lefty concept!
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:35 |
Mr Hootington posted:Excuse Me? My stance has been to seize the bus, take turns driving, and charge the same fare to everyone. I know! lol. I figured I misunderstood you. I am still waking up honestly. I had a long night.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:36 |
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The problem with the whole "fixing economics fixes things" is that America is profoundly racist and will burn itself to the ground if they see a black person move into their neighborhood.Koalas March posted:I know! lol. I figured I misunderstood you. I am still waking up honestly. I had a long night. The Holy Trinity
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:45 |
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Koalas March posted:What segment of the population are they trying to shut down, and who are to shut them down in the first place? I feel like you're being really vague on purpose, in order to obscure your real opinion. I'm saying that progressives are held to a much higher standard of responsibility for what "their guys" do than mainstream Dems - and that this is just a cheap debate tactic to dodge any consequential conversation, or to make the other person look back by insinuating their association with idiots. I thought that was an obvious point, since it comes up again and again in other threads.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:46 |
Koalas March posted:What segment of the population are they trying to shut down, and who are to shut them down in the first place? I feel like you're being really vague on purpose, in order to obscure your real opinion. bernie supporters & the DSA + affiliated groups are the people who they are trying to shut down, and "they" is a subgroup within establishment dems who are mostly white and simply want to cynically use the language of racial justice as a constant evasion of discussing leftism substantively, rather than out of any genuine interest in advancing the cause of racial justice.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:47 |
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joepinetree posted:So you end up with a TFA shill like Brittany Packnett talking about how her encounter with Sanders was so deeply problematic even as she continues to shill fo TFA and the charter movement, which is one of the main drivers of residential and school segregation in the country. As a non-Tweeter, what are ratio trends?
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:49 |
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Jazerus posted:bernie supporters & the DSA + affiliated groups are the people who they are trying to shut down, and "they" is a subgroup within establishment dems, who are mostly white and simply want to cynically use the language of racial justice as a constant evasion of discussing leftism substantively, rather than out of any genuine interest in advancing the cause of racial justice. Conveniently enough, you can also now spot these folks really easily via donut icon.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:50 |
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Koalas March posted:What segment of the population are they trying to shut down, and who are to shut them down in the first place? I feel like you're being really vague on purpose, in order to obscure your real opinion. The point he's making and the point I'm making is that it's fine to have people apologize for racial missteps in the past. What doesn't make sense it to make this demand specifically of the left wing of the Democratic Party, which to my knowledge (and if I'm wrong tell me) has not been more wrong on racial issues than the center wing has been. I think either you make these demands of apology from everyone who has had a nasty record on race (good) or you don't (bad). You don't single out one group (using the issue as a political tool). Going along with the rise of the Bernie Bro stereotype (I mean, remember that Hillary Clinton said that women voted for Bernie because they were pressured by men and the unthread example of the charter school lady talking about Bernie supporters' racial issues - there's a definite effort to cast leftists as privileged, racist, sexist white guys) I don't see this demand for an apology as actually being based on a desire for racial justice. It's a way to make the leftists say "sorry we're so racist" so that their political opponents can say "see they're so racist". And then those political opponents will go on to be just as racist or worse.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:54 |
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USPol: Reality is a bunch of leftists making up conspiracy theories.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:54 |
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I think it would be useful to consider that there isn't much point in trying to define what centrists and liberals believe because in the very best case its a moving target. It is especially silly to try to weponize the terms as a tool of debate and use them on other posters. We can talk about what the flaws of apparent political strategies are however between the two major parties, a good example of this I think is the upcoming CNN debate. There doesn't seem to be consensus on what this will or won't accomplish. Something that I will try to articulate what I mean as far as building consensus, I think it is fair to say that over the course of the Obama presidency there was a sense that Obama would show leadership (I think it is widely agreed he talked a good game at least) in the two things most important to Dem voters, Social and Economic justice. The problem is, while there was some minor and significant gains like gay marriage, all driven through judiciary decisions, basically all significant economic reform was punted on. Social justice itself became a thing during Obama, (though the substance of the fight is ancient and eternal) and those whom are wrong decided that it must be sucking the oxygen away from the more "left" ideas they care about. We have to treat the Leadership on our side the same way we treat Trump, through his deeds, not his words. Our people are suffering now, the world needs change years ago and their phony now is not the season is not leadership, its triangulating. The Dem party is literally older than the GOP both in history and the people who reside in it, their average age is higher than the Republicans, if they're not a Bernie they -must- be driven out, because they're no longer gate keeping, theyre standing in the way. This is getting overly long but I'll try to end with this, the people who want the status quo love to turn every political discussion into about who you are rather than what your end goal is. When Hillary shares a video of young people dancing around with her book like its some magnificent totem that's not share worthy. When a POC shares a video of the police attacking BLM, that is, that's about justice not being served, that's a policy problem. These people very much can be lacking substance, look at Trump Twitter if you have any doubt about it, we only have so much bandwidth to interact with the world, being the case, do they use their voice to try to help others, or to oppress them or to commit whataboutism or say nothing? Deeds not words.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:54 |
PerniciousKnid posted:Are black people opposed to charter schools? I thought opinion was more mixed. ratio of replies to likes & retweets there's no way to register disagreement except replying, so a high ratio means lots of people replied without liking or retweeting - and so the comments are mostly negative responses.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:56 |
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PerniciousKnid posted:As a non-Tweeter, what are ratio trends? To make a long thinkpiece short: The ratio between likes/retweets (people who approved of the tweet) and replies (people who had a bone to pick with the tweet). Way more of the latter means you probably hosed up.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:56 |
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Casey Finnigan posted:The point he's making and the point I'm making is that it's fine to have people apologize for racial missteps in the past. What doesn't make sense it to make this demand specifically of the left wing of the Democratic Party, which to my knowledge (and if I'm wrong tell me) has not been more wrong on racial issues than the center wing has been. I think either you make these demands of apology from everyone who has had a nasty record on race (good) or you don't (bad). You don't single out one group (using the issue as a political tool). Exactly.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:56 |
From what I've read on charter schools they are a weird issue in terms of support. Like when you are a parent and have a kid and you don't have time for politicians to VERY slowly fix the educational system a decent charter school in your area is the best option. By the time things are fixed it could be a decade or never. A parent can absolutely support charter schools because they need immediate results for their kids and sometimes that's the only option they have if their district is massively underfunded. For politicians however there is really no excuse for pushing them over fixing the problems with our deteriorating educational system, especially when if you look at the results they aren't statistically better than public schools. By fixing I mean actually fixing and not bullshit like allowing Republican to destroy it slower or promising changes the smart people in charge will do if we just keep waiting forever. Decoupling education from property taxes should be a huge movement within the Democratic party but instead you have liberal politicians stabbing public school in the back by acting like charter schools are some magical fix since they have also bought into the lie that private anything is better than public when they are just held to less standards and can more easily remove "problem" students.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 15:58 |
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Radish posted:For politicians however there is really no excuse for pushing them over fixing the problems with our deteriorating educational system, especially when if you look at the results they aren't statistically better than public schools. By fixing I mean actually fixing and not bullshit like allowing Republican to destroy it slower or promising changes the smart people in charge will do if we just keep waiting forever. the educational system isn't deteriorating for middle class whites who have "school choice" by way of housing choice lower middle class families (suburban/urban POC, rural whites) just take what schools they can get along with the housing they can afford
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 16:02 |
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Koalas March posted:What segment of the population are they trying to shut down, and who are to shut them down in the first place? I feel like you're being really vague on purpose, in order to obscure your real opinion. people are still grumpy over the events of the primary, wherein the Clinton campaign dusted off the old Obama Boys attack about how gee it sure it is suspicious how many young men think Hillary's bad, added "and they're racist, too," and the Bernie Bro Believers were born in the eyes of this (thankfully small) group of people, there was no commitment to minority issues that could be sufficient, because their issue never was their concern over minority representation, it was supporting a candidate other than Hillary Clinton. due to the malevolent echo chamber effect of being Extremely Online, this tiny fraction of people using minorities as a smokebomb to distract from economic justice concerns- a strategy most painfully demonstrated with "will breaking up the banks end racism"- became the most prominent voices talking about race to a similarly tiny fraction of Bernie voters, some of whom walked away with the impression that whenever democrats talk about race it is exclusively as a tool to shut up the left. both factions are not wrong to claim that the other faction exists. claiming the other faction is at all representative of the larger mass of democrats is where things get hazy.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 16:04 |
Even if they have a way around it, the fact that upper middle class people have to consider the massive discrepancies in terms of school quality when they buy homes is evidence that the system is crumbling.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 16:05 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 03:44 |
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Charter schools are just Union Busting by any other name. When you look at the studies that adjust for income, learning disabilities and parental involvement they under performing public schools whole costing more. They are also becoming a huge target for fraud and embezzlement.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 16:05 |