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Nevvy Z posted:Of course they do. The upshot is no one should use "what about the other guys" as a deflection. Nevertheless, they persist. Maybe you should work on bettering yourself?
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Cerebral Bore posted:Maybe you should work on bettering yourself? How so? Be specific please.
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Don't trust McCain. Even if he votes no. He'll be morally correct to vote no but still don't trust him.
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Shuka posted:McCain is like a real live Darth Vader and he's tired of the emperor zapping him with all that lightning. You say that, but... 
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Nevvy Z posted:How so? First you could learn what whataboutism actually means, and then you could address what I wrote in at least semi-good faith.
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Nevvy Z posted:How so? I do not anticipate a substantive response. Next part is unrelated to you Everybody is racist, it's in your DNA. Tribal thinking, in and out groups, association and identity. These things are all bias and not founded in logic. Every single person will unwittingly do stupid and racist poo poo, and has to live a self examined life to moderate it. This is not a problem that is solved, it's managed, and evident in many social constructs. Edit - Mjorian well played
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how dare you say this when you have not personally scrutinized hillary clinton's dna. you're just trying to divide the left
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Shuka posted:I do not anticipate a substantive response. Why not? And also yeah, agreed. Cerebral Bore posted:First you could learn what whataboutism actually means, and then you could address what I wrote in at least semi-good faith. What you wrote was "this other group, they are the real racists." I don't see the use in us all circle jerking about how terrible a group of people no one here identifies as, seems to me to be a deflection. Do you have a definition of whataboutism that doesn't fit? Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Sep 22, 2017 |
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I apologize!
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Shuka posted:McCain is like a real live Darth Vader and he's tired of the emperor zapping him with all that lightning. All Darth Vader wanted was regular order.
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Nevvy Z posted:What you wrote was "this other group, they are the real racists." I don't see the use in us all circle jerking about how terrible a group of people no one here identifies as, seems to me to be a deflection. Do you have a definition of whataboutism that doesn't fit? CB guess if you were just saying "yeah, but the other guys are racists too" then yeah. I agree.  Lets work on bettering ourselves AND yelling at them to better themselves.
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Condiv posted:iirc, a lot of crimes like rape are able to be committed by white people on reservations and our courts will refuse to make them subject to the laws of the tribes who govern the reservation. tackling problems like that seems like something that should be done. When I point this out to my friends, they refuse to believe me and prefer to think it’s all internal. Talking about the Canadian problem with missing and murdered First Nations women, but I think it applies here too.
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Sadly we all know that the only majority of Americans that Republicans care about is the majority of American net worth.
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Nevvy Z posted:CB guess if you were just saying "yeah, but the other guys are racists too" then yeah. I agree. Buddy, not to stick it to you or anything, but look at this here: Cerebral Bore posted:I think the big sticking point among leftists isn't the idea that racism exists on the left, because it sure as hell does exist and thus should and must be addressed, but that the liberal establishment and commentariat have a laser focus on the racism that does exist on the left while quietly sweeping the racism that does exist in the centre under the rug, and then using this purported moral superiority as a silencing and erasing tactic against the left. So maybe read stuff a bit more carefully next time?
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Democrats would absolutely not pass single-payer healthcare if they had control of Congress.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Buddy, not to stick it to you or anything, but look at this here: Let me roleplay a centrist dem for a second. "Racism exists in the center and should be addressed. Now can we talk about how racism on the left?" Round and round it goes. Maybe just focus on improving yourself and those you know instead of digging for excuses to bash your perceived enemies.
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yikes, from 85% to 74%. a stunning rejection
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boner confessor posted:yikes, from 85% to 74%. a stunning rejection Literally decimated.
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Nevvy Z posted:Let me roleplay a centrist dem for a second. Except that's not what I was addressing ya dingus. I was addressing the fact that the centrist establishment would never acknowledge its own racism in any significant way.
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The Kingfish posted:Democrats would absolutely not pass single-payer healthcare if they had control of Congress. Depends what you mean by control. If you mean a 10-seat majority in the house and maybe a 3-seat majority in the Senate plus the white house, then no, I don't think they would. They'd probably make some changes to Obamacare to make it the best and strongest system it can be, maybe put in a public option, and try to figure out a way to make states accept medicaid expansion in a way the courts would endorse. If they had a huge supermajority, then they might go for single payer.
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boner confessor posted:yikes, from 85% to 74%. a stunning rejection An 11% drop among a steady, loyal voter bloc is quite a drop and -should- send alarms ringing. If a headline of "NRA members support for the GOP drops from 90% to 80%", you can bet the GOP would poo poo its pants, and for good reason. If you want to be a relevant, effective political force, that is.
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Sephyr posted:An 11% drop among a steady, loyal voter bloc is quite a drop and -should- send alarms ringing. If a headline of "NRA members support for the GOP drops from 90% to 80%", you can bet the GOP would poo poo its pants, and for good reason. hey i hate to break it to you but if you read the article you'll find that the question was not "do you support the democratic party" i know that might be a lot to ask though Cerebral Bore posted:Let me guess, you're not going to need those votes anyway? hey maybe read the article. or don't. your choice. i would suggest you read the article though to find out what the survey results actually were before you start speaking authoritatively about how this spells doom for the centrist liberals
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boner confessor posted:yikes, from 85% to 74%. a stunning rejection Let me guess, you're not going to need those votes anyway?
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Cerebral Bore posted:Let me guess, you're not going to need those votes anyway? Look dude, for every black female voter the Democrats lose, they'll gain two white affluent suburbanite never-Trumpers, you'll see.
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boner confessor posted:hey i hate to break it to you but if you read the article you'll find that the question was not "do you support the democratic party" 
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boner confessor posted:hey i hate to break it to you but if you read the article you'll find that the question was not "do you support the democratic party" Enthusiasm matters, friend. edit: and I'd say especially so when it comes to a group that has to go through a shitload of vote suppressing tactics to cast their vote
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Oh Snapple! posted:Enthusiasm matters, friend. so does reading articles and understanding the content of them. i know it's not as fun as just making things up to fit your political perceptions but it is necessary once in a while to read a thing am i going to have another bunch of people calling me a cryptoracist class traitor for expressing critical thought, can we just skip that part please
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I'm shocked, shocked that boner confessor would discount the feelings and opinions of women of color. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cerebral Bore posted:Except that's not what I was addressing ya dingus. I was addressing the fact that the centrist establishment would never acknowledge its own racism in any significant way. To what end?
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Nevvy Z posted:To what end? I think to point out the hypocrisy in centrists claiming that the left's racism is unexamined, when their own is very underexamined.
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Majorian posted:I think to point out the hypocrisy in centrists claiming that the left's racism is unexamined, when their own is very underexamined. So... what about the centrist establishment?
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Nevvy Z posted:So... what about the centrist establishment? Are you asking genuinely? Because I don't think centrists have really, publicly tackled poo poo like the Clinton's racist policies in the 90's, or Hillary's extremely dogwhistle-y primary campaign in '08.
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Nevvy Z posted:To what end? As mentioned, to be able to use their purported not-racistness versus the left's purported super-racistness to silence criticism from the left. And don't even pretend that this hasn't happened.
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Cerebral Bore posted:As mentioned, to be able to use their purported not-racistness versus the left's purported super-racistness to silence criticism from the left. And don't even pretend that this hasn't happened. Show me people purporting this? Don't get me wrong, you are kicking the poo poo out of straw centrists up and down this thread, but I can't figure out what the point is except to yell "dems are bad" a lot? It seems like you just wanted us to stop talking about the other racism that was being talked about.
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Nevvy Z posted:I can't figure out what the point is except to yell "dems are bad" a lot? i think you've figured it out
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Nevvy Z posted:Show me people purporting this? The Symone Sanders piece cites a lot of examples in the press.
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Majorian posted:I think to point out the hypocrisy in centrists claiming that the left's racism is unexamined, when their own is very underexamined. Maybe don't use my wording and point when talking about centrists. It comes off as directed towards me when you do that, and I ain't a centrist. Like I said earlier, literally a Maoist
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