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Trabisnikof posted:Okay but every single Democratic president did exactly what you're saying they'll be called out for, and I've certainly read far fewer posts calling out Obama's slave ownership than Hillary's. Any governor or AG or former member of law enforcement are complicit as slavers if not slaveowners themselves. look neither i or anyone in my revolutionary book club touch ourselves while fantasizing about jimmy carter being thrown in prison ok
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boner confessor posted:look neither i or anyone in my revolutionary book club touch ourselves while fantasizing about jimmy carter being thrown in prison ok i kinda doubt the members of your csa booklub don't do that tho
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Reminder that even though Sanders supporters statistically show less racial resentment than any of the other presidential candidates' supporters in 2016, nearly 1 in 4 of them still think that black people are 'more criminal and more violent' than white people. This is basically the way I feel. There are many racists on the left, and racism on the left (or anywhere, of course) should always be called out where it exists. The issue is only when leftism/socialism itself is treated as being uniquely prone to racism, rather than just as vulnerable as any other political ideology, and when these accusations are used as a repudiation of leftist policy. For example, it makes sense to say "leftists should acknowledge and denounce racist views within their ranks" but it doesn't make sense to say "leftist policy and ideology itself is racist because racist leftist individuals exist." To be honest, I think the leftists on SA are a relatively "high quality" sample compared with what you might see on reddit or something. At least in the present, people here are unlikely to tolerate stuff like talking down to PoC for not supporting Sanders (or whatever), but SA is only a small part of the internet and people like that absolutely exist elsewhere. I definitely recall a "don't PoC know what's good for them??" sentiment going around during the primary (and you see this exact same sentiment aimed at leftist PoC from white liberals, which sorta implies it's more of a "white" thing than a "leftist" thing).
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We hope Jimmy lives to see the last Guinea Worm thrown in jail before he is.
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the next time woodrow wilson goes on a booktour ill be sure to call him out for his poo poo
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Koalas March posted:Does anyone have a source to verify if it was involuntary labor or a voluntary program in the first place? Yeah, this is what I was alluding to - if there's one cause that I feel like being loud about until it goes away, it's the way America has managed to monetarize its prison system and the subsequent efficiency with which some states have turned it on the poor & minorities. It's loving awful, and it's a problem today, not 25 years ago.
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QuoProQuid posted:is there a reason that assange doesnt have a verified account and instead seems to be spoofing one with a diamond? Twitter won't verify him.
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QuoProQuid posted:is there a reason that assange doesnt have a verified account and instead seems to be spoofing one with a diamond? he's not important enough so they took his checkmark away and he's incredibly pissed about it the fear of not being important enough drives a lot of his decisions and is mostly why he squats in the closet at the ecuadorean embassy, because this self flagellation is necessary for him to convince himself that he'd end up in some CIA secret prison despite not being under US jurisdiction or in violation of US law
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Hoo boy, this is a bad, bad bad take. goddamn.
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And for the record (since it was brought up) there are (very few) voluntary programs for prisoners. There are programs for work release and certain programs that hook prisoners up with dogs as a form of therapy and rehabilitation. You sign up and have to be approved.
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Ytlaya posted:This is basically the way I feel. There are many racists on the left, and racism on the left (or anywhere, of course) should always be called out where it exists. The issue is only when leftism/socialism itself is treated as being uniquely prone to racism, rather than just as vulnerable as any other political ideology, and when these accusations are used as a repudiation of leftist policy. I don't see this happen very often at all. My major issue is white fragility when racism is brought up on the left.
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steinrokkan posted:A bird in the cage has the freedom to sit on whichever perch he wants. Hillary's real crime was not undoing all the horrors of the prison industrial complex. I joke because society is horrible and what else can I do.
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Nevvy Z posted:Hillary's real crime was not undoing all the horrors of the prison industrial complex. Actually being actively involved in making the prison system worse.
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Nevvy Z posted:Hillary's real crime was not undoing all the horrors of the prison industrial complex. she truly was america's worst president
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QuoProQuid posted:is there a reason that assange doesnt have a verified account and instead seems to be spoofing one with a diamond? Julian assange is quite literally dead or rotting somewhere and this is not him.
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Nevvy Z posted:Hillary's real crime was not undoing all the horrors of the prison industrial complex. Hillary should go on a murder rampage freeing us from lovely cops and the entire profiteering class of private prisons. Hail Satan!
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boner confessor posted:she truly was america's worst president Yeah, she would have been, on account of her decades long history of associating with all the culprits of social ills. Mustached Demon posted:Hillary should go on a murder rampage freeing us from lovely cops and the entire profiteering class of private prisons. Unlikely, seeing as it was her job to protect them.
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Again we're talking about fantasies about Hillary instead of talking about the ongoing slave ownership by Obama and now Trump or the many states that keep slaves to this day.
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Koalas March posted:The way this is used as a cudgel seems very disingenuous and uncomfortable. Why is is not genuine for people fighting for a $15 minimum wage to oppose someone who abused labor law to pay prisoners nothing, and then justified it by claiming that murders had no "emotional intelligence"? This is sheer worker exploitation, which is the entire reason that leftism exists. Hillary is the hypocrite for claiming to want to raise the minimum wage while profiting from slave labor and promoting sweatshops in Haiti.
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GoluboiOgon posted:Why is is not genuine for people fighting for a $15 minimum wage to oppose someone who abused labor law to pay prisoners nothing Do those same people oppose all politicians who did that or just Hillary? Do they refuse to support politicians that won't pledge to end slave labor in prisons or just refuse to support Hillary? Do they oppose politicians who acted as slavers, forcing people into a system of slavery? Holding all those positions are consistent with a few that prison labor is slavery in the US.
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GoluboiOgon posted:Why is is not genuine for people fighting for a $15 minimum wage to oppose someone who abused labor law to pay prisoners nothing, and then justified it by claiming that murders had no "emotional intelligence"? This is sheer worker exploitation, which is the entire reason that leftism exists. Hillary is the hypocrite for claiming to want to raise the minimum wage while profiting from slave labor and promoting sweatshops in Haiti. ah i didn't know people can't be in favor of good things if they've ever done a bad thing. this is useful information, to me
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Trabisnikof posted:Again we're talking about fantasies about Hillary instead of talking about the ongoing slave ownership by Obama and now Trump or the many states that keep slaves to this day. They're bad too. Do you have anything specific you want to discuss or do you just barge into conversations and demand people change the subject all the time?
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Trabisnikof posted:Do those same people oppose all politicians who did that or just Hillary? Yes. Why do you only pay attention when Hillary happens to be the target?
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Lets move the hillary talk to the Dem thread. We can continue to talk about the prison complex, though.
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Koalas March posted:Lets move the hillary talk to the Dem thread. The Dem thread's dead. This has been designated the new Dem thread. I'm so, so sorry to be the bearer of this news.
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QuoProQuid posted:is there a reason that assange doesnt have a verified account and instead seems to be spoofing one with a diamond? It's really hard to prove that you are who your handle says you are when you aren't allowed to leave your room. withak fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Sep 23, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:The Dem thread's dead. This has been designated the new Dem thread. I'm so, so sorry to be the bearer of this news. wait i honestly dont know if this is a joke or not
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MizPiz posted:Yes. As someone who has mostly leftists on his Facebook and identifies as one, I only see white leftists bring up slavery when it's about Hillary. I've literally never seen anyone besides me bring up Louisiana's state capital slaves. People used to talk about tomato slaves years ago but apparently that all went awayno it did not.
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Majorian posted:The Dem thread's dead. This has been designated the new Dem thread. I'm so, so sorry to be the bearer of this news. how can you be wrong in 100% of the posts you make withak posted:It's really hard to prove that you are who you say you are when you aren't allowed to leave your room. i dunno if "will be arrested for committing crimes" is the same as not being allowed to leave. he can leave as soon as he's ready to face responsibility for his actions. it's like time out
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MizPiz posted:Yes. When else has someone brought up the history of slaveownership or slaving by a politician other than Hillary? I'm constantly bringing up Obama's failure to free 17,000+ slaves, which the usual reply is "sure that's bad but let's talk about Hillary."
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Trabisnikof posted:When else has someone brought up the history of slaveownership or slaving by a politician other than Hillary? I have heard people bring up Jefferson and Washington, but that was in relation to the confederate statues. Just a reminder: Thomas Jefferson raped his young slave and kept their child in bondage.
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Koalas March posted:wait i honestly dont know if this is a joke or not It's probably a joke but one that the Dem thread posters like to pretend is true.
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boner confessor posted:you understand what dogwhistling is, maybe This is from a while back, but I want to point out that the issue here isn't with pointing out the racist elements of New Deal policies. If you were posting in good faith, you would have said something along the lines of "Yeah, it would be good to do X, Y, and Z, but the New Deal also included some racist elements like A, B, and C that we need to avoid next time." Instead you clearly framed it as completely dismissive, along with an insinuation that the poster in question also supported (or didn't care about) the racist elements of New Deal policy. If your goal was really to implement something similar to New Deal policy but in a non-racist way, you would have approached the topic from a different angle. Or if your goal is something completely/fundamentally different from New Deal policy, you could have approached things from that angle instead. As is, it just comes off as a dishonest attempt to attack and knock-down the other person.
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Koalas March posted:And for the record (since it was brought up) there are (very few) voluntary programs for prisoners. There are programs for work release and certain programs that hook prisoners up with dogs as a form of therapy and rehabilitation. You sign up and have to be approved. There is a difference between Federal and state on here, i believe, as always. I believe the federal standards require work everyone is paid, but about around .10-.30 wage for prison maintenance jobs, around .8 to 1.20 general wages in the prison work cooperation UNICOR/FPI with the best program being Prison Industry Enhancement Certification Program (PIECP) which has workers who volunteer and qualify work for the prevailing wage(usually minimum wage) minus fees (which eat up about half of it). At the state level it's down to local law which I haven't found a over all review of. I know from several examples that many Southern states have unpaid labor mandated, but I can't verify how widespread that is.
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