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Martman posted:So you're saying, when we finally see all the kids floating around in the sewer it works as a reference to the recent Ghost in the Shell movie where they find a bunch of humans wired up to serve as some kind of brain network for Kuze? It's unlikely that it's a direct reference (given the proximity of the two releases) but it is absolutely parallel imagery, expressing roughly the same concept. (It's worth noting that Shell also features a giant spider.)
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So I finally watched It and I really enjoyed it, but I'm also watching the Twin Peaks revival right now (18 loving episodes) and I realized something... It deserves a mini series on Netflix or something. A 2 hour film for such a massive book is really irritating. SOOOOOO many cut parts, Guys like Henry and Patrick are terrifying in the novel, and in the film you barely even know who they are. Also, can David Lynch direct it? It deals with a lot of very abstract concepts and I'm grinning ear to ear thinking of what David Lynch could deliver for King's masterpiece.
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I just saw this and it had Lord of the Rings syndrome. Books and films have to tell stories very differently in order to be effective in their respective mediums. The film was clearly designed for fans of the books who could follow along, because as a standalone film, it's not good. It would be drat tough to get it right, considering the length and density of the source material. The necessary cuts would alienate true fans and open itself to accusations of being something other than the source. But here we are. Too long, too many scenes shoved in simply because they were in the book, etc. I felt it was visually outstanding and very well acted, scored poorly, and paced very poorly.
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Zeris posted:I just saw this and it had Lord of the Rings syndrome. What scenes did you think were shoved in?
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Sep 22, 2017 12:34
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From my perspective, almost every scene with the bullies was superfluous. Half of the seven main characters could probably have been cut with few negative consequences. The movie just felt really overstuffed. A lot was already cut from the source material and I feel that the writers were worried about whittling it down any further. The only other option was adding another hour to the run time. A miniseries might have been a better medium, but Stranger Things took that option off the table. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Sep 22, 2017 |
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Sep 22, 2017 14:43
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The movie really should have concluded after the confrontation in the house. They could have included stuff from the final fight, but when I realized the movie wasn't done I was all 'really'?
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Sep 22, 2017 16:46
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The whole reason they come back as adults though happens after that.
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Sep 22, 2017 17:10
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I wouldn't call just over 2 hours overlong.
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Sep 22, 2017 17:18
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MrMojok posted:No it's because HE IS LEGEND my dude. 
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Sep 22, 2017 17:40
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Harminoff posted:The whole reason they come back as adults though happens after that. Yeah, so they could have made that happen during the house confrontation. Make them find the way to his lair through the house or something. Not have two fights within the span of fifteen minutes. The movie was too long which is my biggest gripe.
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Sep 22, 2017 18:18
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A couple of things I liked. When the kid with asthma goes to the store to pick up the medication, the girl who tells him the truth has Easter egg earrings. At the end, when they all cut their hands, Ben is the boy who winces least, since he's been cut up the most throughout the film.
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Saw the movie, the actors were all great, It desperately needed more lines though. It would be unstoppable if the doors he can magically lock behind people weren't able to always be opened in the nick of time, has to happen at least half a dozen times in short order.
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Sep 22, 2017 20:42
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This is why movies like It, Nightmare On Elm Street, and so on are best enjoyed as a story where the monster is a coping mechanism for the inexplicable. There's never going to be a satisfying mechanistic tactical explanation for why a practically omnipotent homicidal ghost doesn't just kill everyone in a matter of minutes.
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Halloween Jack posted:This is why movies like It, Nightmare On Elm Street, and so on are best enjoyed as a story where the monster is a coping mechanism for the inexplicable. There's never going to be a satisfying mechanistic tactical explanation for why a practically omnipotent homicidal ghost doesn't just kill everyone in a matter of minutes. Yes, this
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Everyone keeps making Nightmare on Elm Street comparisons when the real truth is that It is a crossbreed of The Most Dangerous Game and Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Everyone keeps making Nightmare on Elm Street comparisons when the real truth is that It is a crossbreed of The Most Dangerous Game and Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? Go on
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DeimosRising posted:Go on Absolutely not. Think on it. edit: George and Martha will their fake child to life and it tries to hunt them and their guests for sport. A major theme of It is confronting the bald truth without fear and overcoming the traumas of childhood without being literally ingested by them. Nightmare is similar but they share the Dangerous Game/Woolf crossover, with different results. Magic Hate Ball fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Sep 22, 2017 |
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Halloween Jack posted:This is why movies like It, Nightmare On Elm Street, and so on are best enjoyed as a story where the monster is a coping mechanism for the inexplicable. There's never going to be a satisfying mechanistic tactical explanation for why a practically omnipotent homicidal ghost doesn't just kill everyone in a matter of minutes. The kids may have invented Pennywise as a game, and a coping mechanism - but, within the confines of the game, IT is a full-fledged character. IT has taken on a life of IT's own. The trick is that, between satisfying bullshit and the inexplicable, you have unsatisfying explanations - like that IT lets the doors open because he's ultimately not interested in killing anyone. You may have noticed that there is very little killing in the film at all, and this is simply because IT doesn't kill. What we see instead, with absolute clarity, is that IT seeks to turn children against their parents. IT sets brother against brother. ("If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters...). It promotes conflict and division. And IT does this purposefully. Note IT's derision when IT talks about letting the kids live normal lives, where they can eventually die of old age. Nobody hates Derry more than IT. IT has literally been poo poo on by the population of Derry for hundreds of years. IT's Pennywise identity is a parody of Derry's grotesque adult population. IT's pushing the kids to fight back. IT is a Disobedience God. He stands for escape - the willingness to say 'gently caress this!' Without IT, Ed would not have told his mother off. Without IT, Beverley probably wouldn't have had the guts to kill her father. And, when she finally does, Beverley all-but-literally 'runs away to join the circus'. The ideological limitation of the film (or, at least, of the kids) is in the recourse to Old Testament vengeance to unite the community - the kids' belief that they are a chosen people. There's a halfhearted Batman '89 reference, but the film's logic is strictly that of The Avengers and the Joker they fight is more Ledger than Nicholson.
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Well, one teenager got corrupted by this movie. http://nerdist.com/stranger-things-finn-wolfhard-f-bombs-stephen-kings-it/
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Sep 22, 2017 23:38
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Absolutely not. Think on it. I haven't seen It yet but yeah that makes sense based on my memory of the book
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The kids may have invented Pennywise as a game, and a coping mechanism - but, within the confines of the game, IT is a full-fledged character. IT has taken on a life of IT's own. I don't usually agree with you but I like this way of looking at it. I noticed how IT seemed to like keeping the images of its victims around, using them to attack, lure and manipulate future victims, making it seems like IT hangs out with them in its spare time. I think there's no question it kills, but IT seems to have some attachment to the kids beyond just wanting to eat them.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Saw the movie, the actors were all great, It desperately needed more lines though. Movie IT was very strongly dependent on fear and belief. If a kid believed he could save his friend by getting a door open, he could. If he believed the trick behind the scary door was bullshit (which happens in the next scene AFTER the door was broken into), then it was. If they thought they could get away, then they could. Without fear, he could only physically attack or Deadlight them. These things were gradually revealed. Miniseries IT was...I don't even know what he was doing besides constantly trolling everyone all of the time. Book IT was ultra cocky but was purposely being interfered with by a cosmic being/God when trying to get the Losers.
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Speaking of Deadlights, in the Deadlights scene, there was a man's voice screaming for help from the cavern of IT's throat, what was that about?
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I heard multiple screams, like people in hell. Also the musical sting before the deadlights was spot on.
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Penpal posted:I heard multiple screams, like people in hell. Also the musical sting before the deadlights was spot on. As much as I hate the jumpscare noises, that evil "thwoooom" was great.
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I don't mean this in a negative way at all, but although I don't always agree with SuperMechaGodzilla, as an English/creative writing major in college, I appreciate his posts because it reminds me a lot of the kinds of bonkers, out-of-the-box conversations that would pop up a lot during workshopping.
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Why doesn't Bob Gray become a virus and slowly kill them that way feeding off a sort of creeping fear of death as they get more and more ill?
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Would you rather have a banquet and then hibernate or try to sustain yourself on diluted cabbage soup for years? Let me nosh then nap, I say
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oldpainless posted:Why doesn't Bob Gray become a virus and slowly kill them that way feeding off a sort of creeping fear of death as they get more and more ill? Cuz he's not mister grey
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oldpainless posted:Why doesn't Bob Gray become a virus and slowly kill them that way feeding off a sort of creeping fear of death as they get more and more ill? I literally just watched that movie. Spoiler for title: The Bye Bye Man
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oldpainless posted:Why doesn't Bob Gray become a virus and slowly kill them that way feeding off a sort of creeping fear of death as they get more and more ill? That happens later in The Stand starring Pennywise the dancing flu
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Halloween Jack posted:This is why movies like It, Nightmare On Elm Street, and so on are best enjoyed as a story where the monster is a coping mechanism for the inexplicable. There's never going to be a satisfying mechanistic tactical explanation for why a practically omnipotent homicidal ghost doesn't just kill everyone in a matter of minutes. there actually is an explanation in IT (the weakest part of the movie is not including that part). IT sees itself as a superior being so it has no reason to kill them until it wants to. when they've been seasoned with enough fear to be tastiest. IT loses due to this hubris, it's an important part of the story.
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I think it's pretty heavily demonstrated visually by It's reaction when they escape. Bill's basement scene in particular it practically says "aww shucks."
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Groovelord Neato posted:IT loses due to this hubris, it's an important part of the story. No; it's literally not part of the story at all.
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i for one am shocked smg has never read the novel "it" by stephen king of maine and is just talking out his rear end. quick google the wikipedia page.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No; it's literally not part of the story at all. No; it literally is, just not this version (though this version briefly nods to it with Pennywise remarking on Eddie's "delicious fear"). You can either incorporate metatextual aspects into your reading, or throw them out entirely and take the adaptation in a vacuum; you can't mix the two approaches and expect to still be coherent.
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It consumes fear, probably just as much or even more than it eats flesh. So by drawing things out and scaring them again and again It can get more bang for its buck.
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oldpainless posted:Why doesn't Bob Gray become a virus and slowly kill them that way feeding off a sort of creeping fear of death as they get more and more ill? It should become capitalism, so it can slowly break and destroy the mind, body, and souls off the most amount of people possible. MAJOR PLOT TWIST OUT OF NOWHERE!!!!!!! MAYBE IT ALREADY HAS!!!!!!1!!!
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:it literally is, just not this version Right: it's not an important part of this story if it doesn't exist in this story. Groovelord's trouble is that he is approaching the film like a supplementary illustration to the book, so the movie is 'weakened' by the failure to include this vital exposition.
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how do you pull that poo poo after the posts you;ve made lol
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