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I don't think it's a big stretch to think the creepy touchy guy in an island that seems to only have men in it, in a scene with very strong sexual assault connotations, was meant to threaten of sexual assault. 
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al-azad posted:He rubs his hand across her face, smells her, and does the chin-grab you see in literally every piece of media when a predator is aggressively checking out a woman's face. If they didn't want to play up the creeper angle they could've just had him toss Lara with the other prisoners they had lined up and she breaks free when he's escorting her or something. Okay yeah I see where you're coming from. I read that stuff as a more abstracted demonstration of power thing, I think in large part because you're right that it is what happens in literally every piece of media when a predator (including in the "eats people" sense) is in close proximity to a woman. Fil5000 posted:I'm also prepared to concede that it might be I'm just so used to rape now being the standard way in fiction to raise the stakes, establish how evil the antagonist is and to create a purpose for the protagonist in the form of revenge. I think this is a big part of it, but I also think it means you're right and I'm wrong. If put up generic predator next to prey (again in the "about to eat" sense) trappings I probably have a tendency to actively resist reading it as sexual and will skip directly to assuming the murdery resolution. But I recognize that like 99% of the time it's probably supposed to be about sexual assault.
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Sep 23, 2017 19:17
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The_Doctor posted:I keep forgetting there's a new Call of Cthulhu game coming out at some point soonish. I'll pick this up, love the settings and I'll eat up Gothic houses and hooded cultists so it's a go. I just really hope a lot of the game isn't set in a god drat cave because that poo poo's always so boring.
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Sep 23, 2017 19:34
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Sakurazuka posted:Bloodborne is obviously super Lovecraft inspired but it's also an action game where the most dangerous thing is you so By the end of the game I was dual wielding a literal cannon and a long sword that transformed into a cloud strife sword. But that game had some great cthuluian moments though. The beginning with the pack of were villagers was just pitch perfect. The part when you arrived in a new open area and started randomly taking damage. The only clue is a creepy red light from a castle tower's window. It's not until much later in the level after you explore the castle that you discover it's a horrible monstrosity that's been caged and that's been staring at you the entire time you were outside, and that it's gaze itself was driving you mad.
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Sep 23, 2017 19:38
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Bloodborne is a great twist on a typical Lovecraft story because the DLC makes it clear that the manifold abominations from the deepest reaches of the cosmos are actually the victims, and you're fighting to free them more than to help the humans (who are all a lost cause at this point).
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Sep 23, 2017 21:46
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Hiding in Lockers Simulator 2016
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Sep 23, 2017 21:55
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lol yeah that looks about right.
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Sep 23, 2017 22:03
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Bogart posted:I don't think it's a big stretch to think the creepy touchy guy in an island that seems to only have men in it, in a scene with very strong sexual assault connotations, was meant to threaten of sexual assault. What is the issue people are having with this? That this sort of thing shouldn't be in a game, or is it just that they want to know ahead of time that a game may feature content of this nature?
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Sep 23, 2017 23:14
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Gromit posted:What is the issue people are having with this? That this sort of thing shouldn't be in a game, or is it just that they want to know ahead of time that a game may feature content of this nature? This is a complex issue and people are going to break in various ways. For me personally, I don't think attempting to portray dark or taboo subjects such as sexual assault in a video game is bad on principle altogether. Other games have managed to discuss issues of rape and violence against women in a productive, appropriate and empathetic light. But I do think that the first torture porntastic hour or so of TR2013 culminating in this scene is weirdly dissonant with the tone of the rest of the game, which from that point on follows a much more boilerplate action adventure plot. Additionally, I would argue that framing Lara's survival against what is strongly coded as a sexual assault in the form of a QTE is... well, it feels inappropriately reductive given the complex subject matter and creepily voyeuristic. That while we as the player might indeed feel for Lara and want her to survive, we would also equally get off a little on seeing her head get split open by a rock before having to replay the sequence. My thoughts around this aren't really that organized, but I think there is a certain sadistic side to the failure states of TR2013's QTE sequences and this one in particular that are a little uncomfortable to me, even if I do think it is a very good game overall.
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Sep 23, 2017 23:26
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On a surface level it feels tacky and cheap, especially so considering the motivations of the enemies don't go beyond trying to murder you.
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Sep 23, 2017 23:54
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It's exploitative when put together with the whole 'you'll wanna protect Lara! Baby fat!' I dunno. It's creepy in a way that like...shouldn't...be? I think the dark, awful stuff in the world can be used for horror, but in TR, it felt just like a cheap way to show OH NO PROTECT YOUR LITTLE CROFT BABBY.
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Sep 24, 2017 00:34
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Silhouette posted:ILLBLEED already exists though Yes, and? Why not more of that? I've been wanting more of that and it's been 20 loving years. WHERE THE gently caress IS OUR NEW ILLBLEED?!
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Sep 24, 2017 00:47
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King Vidiot posted:Yes, and? Why not more of that? The man responsible for it be dead.
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Sep 24, 2017 00:55
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ImpAtom posted:The man responsible for it be dead. But somebody has to pick up the mantle and give us the weird, stylish comedy horror game we deserve. He can't be the only guy in the game industry capable of making something that loving perfectly weird, with homages to b-horror movies and god-knows-what. ...but in all seriousness I hate when somebody says "somebody should do X" and then somebody else says "X is already done". So loving what, we need more of that from somebody else.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:15
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The_Doctor posted:I keep forgetting there's a new Call of Cthulhu game coming out at some point soonish. I like Lovecraft as much as the next mentally deranged geek but games based around him are just a horrible idea. By all means, take *influence* from him when making your Old God creature feature game, but the problem remains that Cthulhu himself is not actually scary. The whole point of the Lovecraft mythos is that the monsters are supposed to be so indescribably strange and alien that it drives you mad. Having the monsters in the game is the very definition of the idea that monsters lose their power as soon as you actually meet them
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Sep 24, 2017 01:29
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Never read Lovecraft, don't even care about the Cthulhu "mythos" but I agree that it's kind of silly when you give a visual form specifically to Cthulhu. From what I heard, yeah, the old gods are supposed to have "non-Euclidean" forms that drive men mad on sight and that, like, Cthulhu is only described as "squid-like" because that's the closest approximation to describing it in the limits of human language. And then every depiction of Cthulhu is just an Angry Squid Man.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:44
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King Vidiot posted:Never read Lovecraft, don't even care about the Cthulhu "mythos" but I agree that it's kind of silly when you give a visual form specifically to Cthulhu. From what I heard, yeah, the old gods are supposed to have "non-Euclidean" forms that drive men mad on sight and that, like, Cthulhu is only described as "squid-like" because that's the closest approximation to describing it in the limits of human language. Per Wikipedia: quote:In "The Call of Cthulhu", H. P. Lovecraft describes a statue of Cthulhu as "A monster of vaguely anthropoid outline, but with an octopus-like head whose face was a mass of feelers, a scaly, rubbery-looking body, prodigious claws on hind and fore feet, and long, narrow wings behind."[9] It's pretty accurate. Chthulu's apparently supposed to be, like, a third-gen abomination or something, so he's not quite as non-Euclidean as grandpappy Yog-Sothoth.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:50
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Lovecraft was afraid of regular penguins
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^^^: This will always be hilarious to me. I want a Lovecraft game, where you actually play as H P Lovecraft and get spooked by black people, Asian people and the grotesque Pengine as you walk around the sunny streets of Arkham. The idea of a protagonist just experiencing the horror in the mundane. I took a look at the thumbnail of Cthulhu on the front of that video and thought, "You know, he has nice eyes". Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Sep 24, 2017 |
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Improbable Lobster posted:Lovecraft was afraid of regular penguins I completely believe it.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:58
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Oh poo poo, wacky squid man is gonna get you. The game involves you blasting cultists while you put together a big fuckoff rail gun from Akira, then you go on a boat and blast him while hitting QTE's to avoid getting smashed. But watch out for the MAAAADNESS meter that slowly builds if you get to close! Only drinking an overly abundant red potion will drop the meter.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:59
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The_Doctor posted:My cousin wrote TR 2013, and she was going for drawing out Lara's story development. There was some stuff from previous writers that unfortunately stayed, like the sexual assault/first kill, so they intended to try and make it a sort of corner that Lara turns. you're related to terry pratchett?
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Sep 24, 2017 02:00
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I wanna play the game where you can gently caress the Cthulhu.
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Sep 24, 2017 02:01
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Oxxidation posted:Per Wikipedia: Ah okay. That would kind of explain why Cthulhu is specifically the go-to Lovecraft horror that people in the visual arts turn to when they want to depict the works of Lovecraft. It's easy and doesn't really require any imagination, and isn't meant to be indescribable (because how do you visually describe the visually indescribable?).
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Professor of Cats posted:Oh poo poo, wacky squid man is gonna get you. The game involves you blasting cultists while you put together a big fuckoff rail gun from Akira, then you go on a boat and blast him while hitting QTE's to avoid getting smashed. But watch out for the MAAAADNESS meter that slowly builds if you get to close! Only drinking an overly abundant red potion will drop the meter. some pieces of this actually describe the 'coc: dark corners of the earth' game
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Its why Bloodborne is the best Lovecraft game. It took influence from Lovecraft rather than just using the Mythos, so its monsters and Old Ones are actually strange and unknowable rather than the precisely categorized hierarchy that's been done to death for over a century. Why do you kill an invisible baby? Who knows, the Old Ones work in mysterious ways.
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1stGear posted:Its why Bloodborne is the best Lovecraft game. It took influence from Lovecraft rather than just using the Mythos, so its monsters and Old Ones are actually strange and unknowable rather than the precisely categorized hierarchy that's been done to death for over a century. Why do you kill an invisible baby? Who knows, the Old Ones work in mysterious ways. Needed an umbillical cord, duh.
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Sep 24, 2017 02:27
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I've seen some takes on Yog-Sothoth or Azathoth I really like. I've seen them represented as abstract cells and bubbles or a tumor-ish mass in space. Before I got into Lovecraft some of Stephen King's stories borrowed a lot from the idea of beings like that, though I didn't realize it at the time. Especially IT. IT's actual form being behind a cage of wooden bars floating in a void beyond the universe we know that seemed to stretch out to infinity and IT itself being globes of living light called the Deadlights that would fry your mind to look at.
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Flubby posted:I've seen some takes on Yog-Sothoth or Azathoth I really like. I've seen them represented as abstract cells and bubbles or a tumor-ish mass in space. Before I got into Lovecraft some of Stephen King's stories borrowed a lot from the idea of beings like that, though I didn't realize it at the time. Especially IT. IT's actual form being behind a cage of wooden bars floating in a void beyond the universe we know that seemed to stretch out to infinity and IT itself being globes of living light called the Deadlights that would fry your mind to look at. King's "Revival" did a pretty good take on the concept that buries a ton of existential horror at the hind end of a so-so novel. "Gone to serve the Great Ones, in the Null. No death, no light, no rest."
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The worst implementation of Lovecraft was damned World of Warcraft. Oh sure, Yogg Saron is a fish with teeth for eyes, let me start clawing my face off 
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Yogg-Saron owns actually   Giant thing with teeth coming out of every hole, who can't even be really killed because it's blood runs through so much of Northrend, which manifests as a mineral that can spring up wherever and is incredibly durable and light, but also screws with your brain if you stay exposed to the stuff. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Sep 24, 2017 |
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Bogart posted:It's exploitative when put together with the whole 'you'll wanna protect Lara! Baby fat!' I dunno. It's creepy in a way that like...shouldn't...be? I think the dark, awful stuff in the world can be used for horror, but in TR, it felt just like a cheap way to show OH NO PROTECT YOUR LITTLE CROFT BABBY. I played it only this year, and didn't get any sort of "protect the girl" vibe. I'm trying to do everything to survive just like I do when I'm playing as default soldier guy #6. I just finished the Outlast Whistleblower DLC and that went to some interesting places that I really enjoyed. Should I have been made to feel like a lovely person if I enjoyed the same game but the player character was a woman? I'm not suggesting for a second that I'm an average player and that whatever it is I enjoy should be good for everyone, but I really treat video games as just that and have never got wound up in what they are portraying. I can certainly wince and yell at the screen or otherwise appreciate unpleasant things going on, but I have never sat back and thought what a monster the artist/writer/animator is for doing it. I'm usually impressed when someone goes the extra mile to make something truly unsettling and off-the-wall. Having said that, there are certainly topics that a game shouldn't glorify.
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I enjoyed TR2013, I didn't have an issue with the deaths, really. That one scene was really, really rapey though, I'm honestly a little baffled at how someone can miss it, it goes too far to really be that predatory thing. Although, I also never really got the feeling of "I have to protect Lara," I got more of a "I don't have the tools to do it right now, but when I do I'll be back to gently caress you up" feel, so I don't know if that's on me or the creators.SomeJazzyRat posted:I wanna play the game where you can gently caress the Cthulhu. I know for a fact that Japan has you covered but I can't remember the name of it and to be perfectly honest, I'm not about to look up Japanese Cthulhu porn visual novel.
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It's actually a light novel series, but this is probably what you're thinking of.
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Don't they ram a boat into Cthulhu's face in the book he originated from and he went back to sleep? I mean the end of Call of Cthulhu is like the end of The Little Mermaid then, except that the boatmurder isn't permanent.
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Azathoth is supposed to be a living star and things like Thorne-Zytkow objects which are like stars enveloped by another star are fun ideas more writers should take advantage of. Hell, take away some syllables and you have a Lovecraftian name. All hail Th'rn-Z'kow the incorrigible. Cold. Silent. Hungry. Entropy and void fthfthfghfhtghfng
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Kokoro Wish posted:It's actually a light novel series, but this is probably what you're thinking of.
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Glagha posted:Don't they ram a boat into Cthulhu's face in the book he originated from and he went back to sleep? I mean the end of Call of Cthulhu is like the end of The Little Mermaid then, except that the boatmurder isn't permanent. Yeah, that's exactly what happens. Kokoro Wish posted:It's actually a light novel series, but this is probably what you're thinking of. I'm going to go ahead and assume it is because the alternative is not great.
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King Vidiot posted:Ah okay. That would kind of explain why Cthulhu is specifically the go-to Lovecraft horror that people in the visual arts turn to when they want to depict the works of Lovecraft. It's easy and doesn't really require any imagination, and isn't meant to be indescribable (because how do you visually describe the visually indescribable?). I've seen animations of 4D, 5D, and 6D hypercubes that hurt a little to look at. I wonder if the same animation tech could be applied to a creature model.
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I actually really, really hate the work of Lovecraft. It always stank of cowardly type of fear of the unknown and the other. That was even before I learned that he was a massive racist IRL and that it informed all of his work. That just served to bring the whole thing in focus. Also his work is mostly inadvertent comedy to me now. I actually read a story about a lady and her horror hair by him that I had never read before. Got gifted a collection of his works by a friend. The big twisty horror in that one? The dudes wife, you see, was actually... A NIGRESS! Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Sep 24, 2017 |
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