Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


A for now, but the Socialists' time will come. Perhaps when the war ends.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
D

I Love Annie May
Oct 10, 2012

Mikl posted:

A. They've been doing a good job so far :shobon:

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER
A all the way! We can think of loftier goals once we have won- right now, we cannot risk the nation falling into chaos.

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker
A. When there is war, our current government shall wage it. When their is peace, our people will secure it.

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
---------
Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

A. We can't just go all this way and then just not attack the mainland.

Also, I'm not sure how exactly amphib attacks work again, but couldn't you have just called off the attack on Cornwall and instead had an unopposed landing on Cardiff since the AI wouldn't have been able to redeploy the garrisons there as quickly as you could've landed there? Of course, it would have been optimal to just have a second landing force on standby that didn't even have to be Marines - anybody can land on an empty beach. Then you could've encircled the lot right then and there.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Mikl posted:

A. They've been doing a good job so far :shobon:

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Mikl posted:

A. They've been doing a good job so far :shobon:

Friend Commuter
Nov 3, 2009
SO CLEVER I WANT TO FUCK MY OWN BRAIN.
Smellrose

Kavak posted:

A mostly because the socialists won't break France.

Not emptyquoting.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


TheMcD posted:

A. We can't just go all this way and then just not attack the mainland.

Also, I'm not sure how exactly amphib attacks work again, but couldn't you have just called off the attack on Cornwall and instead had an unopposed landing on Cardiff since the AI wouldn't have been able to redeploy the garrisons there as quickly as you could've landed there? Of course, it would have been optimal to just have a second landing force on standby that didn't even have to be Marines - anybody can land on an empty beach. Then you could've encircled the lot right then and there.

I was thinking the same thing And voting the same thing.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

TheMcD posted:

A. We can't just go all this way and then just not attack the mainland.

Also, I'm not sure how exactly amphib attacks work again, but couldn't you have just called off the attack on Cornwall and instead had an unopposed landing on Cardiff since the AI wouldn't have been able to redeploy the garrisons there as quickly as you could've landed there? Of course, it would have been optimal to just have a second landing force on standby that didn't even have to be Marines - anybody can land on an empty beach. Then you could've encircled the lot right then and there.

The first thing seems a little bit gamey to pull people off the beaches and back onto the boats but if I was doing it again I would have waited to bring the transport fleet that has been shuttling Sphere divisions from Asia to the West Coast and then done a second landing.

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade
Voting B.

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011
We need Liberals to eventually have a political crisis and then fail to do anything as power gets given to the hard right. A

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat
D

Frionnel
May 7, 2010

Friends are what make testing worth it.
D

Lynneth
Sep 13, 2011
Absolutely A

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

D
Let's not replace a popularly elected government in mainland France with the petty dictators claiming the mantle in Algiers.

MilkmanLuke
Jul 4, 2012

I'm da prettiest, so I'm da boss.

Baus is boss.
C, gotta nuke somethin'.

Lustful Man Hugs
Jul 18, 2010

A, because everyone knows you elect Social Democrats to rebuild the country after the world war, silly.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
A

Aeromancia
Jul 23, 2013
A

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Mikl posted:

A. They've been doing a good job so far :shobon:

Mugabe
Dec 4, 2012

I have died many times. I have actually beaten Jesus Christ because he only died once.

Mikl posted:

A. They've been doing a good job so far :shobon:

Sordas Volantyr
Jan 11, 2015

Now, everybody, walk like a Jekhar.

(God, these running animations are terrible.)
Not As though yet another vote for staying the course matters by this point, but some people seem to be confused as to which form of government this side LP is meant to show off, so...

Soup du Jour
Sep 8, 2011

I always knew I'd die with a headache.

Voting D mostly because I think the Japanese people would be pretty tired of bleeding for people halfway across the world at this point.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

Sordas Volantyr posted:

Not As though yet another vote for staying the course matters by this point, but some people seem to be confused as to which form of government this side LP is meant to show off, so...

I was lobbying people to vote for the unholy Russia alliance so it's not like the liberal superfriends vs internationale route this has taken has anything to do with what I meant for it. Follow your heart, goons!

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



A. The nationalist option is just right out, and the main section of this LP has all the socialism we'll ever need. Let's stick with being awful centrists for awhile longer.

And just in case the market liberals do lose, please have their leader write a book called "What Happened".

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
VOTING CLOSED

Liberals carry the day with 24 votes including 1 non-SA vote.

Socialists are the runners up with 6, the nationalists have 3, and the conservatives have only one friend in this world.

There are some CONSEQUENCES to this vote in terms of what options will be available in future votes, and if I remember, I will put in a spoiler tag which voting options are left out, because Japan as a truly thriving liberal democracy cannot be made to do whatever by you band of shadowy technocrats.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Chief Savage Man posted:

There are some CONSEQUENCES to this vote in terms of what options will be available in future votes, and if I remember, I will put in a spoiler tag which voting options are left out, because Japan as a truly thriving liberal democracy cannot be made to do whatever by you band of shadowy technocrats.

Well if we've saved Taisho democracy, that's a victory in itself.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
Part Eighteen: Dengekisen (February 21 – May 16, 1941)



In the final days before the election, the Emperor announced that he would honor a few members of the Minseito government, in a maneuver intended by the Shadow Council to whip up feelings of patriotic wartime loyalty to the current government. It worked, and the Minseito came away with its largest margin of victory in history. In a distant second place was the Shakai Taishuto, who won votes with their promises of comprehensive social and economic reform, and following just behind them were the Domei and Seiyukai. The result was that the liberals had carte blanche to implement their policy, though internal divisions in the party would sometimes result in partnerships with the Seiyukai or Taishuto to make up the difference.




The Minseito had hoped that the final surrender of the German Empire would come before the election and provide a boost, but were irritated to find that the Germans refused the offer to officially surrender to the Entente and instead merely dissolved in what was an effective capitulation to the Internationale. German units disbanded and the Commune of France claimed temporary jurisdiction over Germany’s colonies while it made preparations to “fully liberate” them. In reality, they had little hope of moving forces outside of Europe with the Entente’s naval dominance, but the maneuver meant that the Entente would need to spend time occupying the territory in question.



The German High Seas Fleet, or what was left of it, also refused an offer to surrender to the Entente and instead fled to Ireland, straining the island’s limited resources.




In a few short months, Ireland would be the sole surviving member of the Mitteleuropa alliance, and would continue to fight on despite the hopelessness of its war with both the Entente and Internationale.



The situation of the German High Seas Fleet sailing under the Irish flag was unexpected to say the least, and the Imperial Japanese Navy elected to allow the Irish fleet to engage in stunts near Ireland and waste the time of British land-based bombers which had been hunting Entente vessels since the fall of Germany proper and the flight of the High Seas Fleet to Africa.




The election, the final surrender of Germany, the fall of Persia to the Arab bloc and the bizarre appearance of the Irish High Seas Fleet almost pushed the fact that Japanese forces were occupying part of England out of the mainstream news, as the invasion had stalled along a heavily fortified battle line in Devon. The initial invasion force was quickly outnumbered by the marshalling Republican Army, but then the appearance of the Japanese divisions marshalled in Iceland gave the advantage to the Japanese once again. However, there was not such an overwhelming amount of superiority to make the IJA comfortable with attacking head-on. The arrival of a Manchurian Corps, and more importantly, the arrival of six motorized divisions and two armored divisions, tipped the scales definitively in the favor of the Japanese.



This evolving situation created a stalemate, leading some in the Internationale to believe that the Japanese had only intended to seize a port in England just to demonstrate that they could in order to force peace talks. However, no offer of peace talks came, and in fact the Sphere was merely waiting for the weather to clear.



The Japanese battleship squadron that had returned to North America to rearm and repair returned in early April, losing one battleship to extremely brash destroyers which were aggressive in their attempts to fire torpedoes, perhaps knowing that they were doomed and would do well to take down enemy ships before going under.




No amount of bravery on the part of the Republican Navy could change the facts about the situation on the seas, however, and the Japanese were plenty able to launch two separate amphibious assaults, one near Portsmouth and another on the southern shore of Wales.



A lone infantry division attempting to join the main body of the Republican Army in Devon was attacked by the Marines in Portsmouth.



Unlike the landing in Cornwall, this landing caught the enemy unprepared and disorganized, and it was effectively in just a few days.



The landing in Cardiff was virtually unopposed, and so the new situation became far more precarious for the British. Twelve cavalry divisions were present in southern Wales, seven in Hampshire, and the elite Japanese Marines in a position to strike London itself. The British defense in Exeter suddenly found itself surrounded, and abandoned its fortifications to attempt retreat to Bristol.



The 35 divisions left behind in Cornwall, including the armor and motorized divisions, attacking the retreating British infantry.




The operation looked to be a success in the early stages, but it cost the Japanese another battleship. While the focus had undeniably shifted to carriers, the battleships were still a great source of national pride and their sinking meant a great loss of life in most instances.



The loss of one battleship and some destroyers was offset by the surrender of over sixty thousand British troops who found themselves unable to flee the Japanese armor.



Before the Japanese secured Devon, the forces which had landed in Hampshire and southern Wales launched an attack on Bristol, hoping to cut off the retreating British and also link up the three separate Japanese pockets on Great Britain into one continuous area of supply.



The Japanese cavalry was not quick enough to prevent the Republican Army from making it to Bristol.



However, the British hopes of establishing a stout defense in Bristol were dashed, as the Japanese armor and cavalry were upon them before they could properly dig in. The result would be the fourth and final of the “disasters” for the Republican military: the disaster of the lost divisions in Canada, the trouncing of the Republican Navy off of Newfoundland, the obliteration of the Republican Navy in the North Sea, and finally what amounted to the capitulation of the Republican Army in Bristol, and the end of socialist Britain.



The diehards continued to fight on despite having very little hope of even slowing the Japanese.



Within a week after the disaster in Bristol, all of Wales was under control and Japanese cavalry was assaulting Norwich, aiming to cut off London from the rest of Britain.



In the south, the Japanese Marines were attacking Dover, hoping to capture the most obvious port to which France might send reinforcements.



Once Dover was captured, London was surrounded and then assaulted.



Encircled and with their morale utterly shattered by months of defeat, the defenders of London surrendered within a few days.



With the capital under control and the central government fleeing to Paris, the Japanese had a vain hope that the entire Republican Army would surrender, but instead they found an enemy continuing to fight on in the face of overwhelming force.



It would later be discovered that the British hoped to endure in Scotland long enough for French help to arrive, but most of the remaining British military strength were local garrison units which were unwilling to leave their home areas.



One by one, the storied units which had taken part in the initial British revolution quickly surrendered to the rapid advance of the Japanese.



After the capture of Manchester, the slower infantry were tasked with staying behind and managing the population of England, while the more mobile cavalry and armor would attack north.



It became clear quickly that the Japanese needed to seize the two major cities of Scotland: Edinburgh and Glasgow, the latter of which was perhaps the most enthusiastically socialist city in Britain.



The Japanese armor, led by the originator of Japanese armor theory, Koji Sakai, charged north.




To Sakai’s chagrin, the motorized divisions actually beat him to their goal, but the Japanese press was far more impressed with the images of the imposing Japanese armor riding into Edinburgh and so Sakai’s fame grew the most.




Indeed, Koji Sakai, distrusted after being implicated in the military plot against the Minseito government, was redeemed in the eyes of the public. The IJA had, in a little under five weeks, captured the whole of Britain from a starting point of only occupying Cornwall. His theories, already proven correct by the French destruction of Germany, could not be denied any longer. Dengekisen was the way of the future.

Information About the Conference System

This game I have an interesting dilemma in terms of narrative, Japan is not nearly big enough to take on France with its own military, but if I were to militarily control all of the Entente members I would probably be able to smash them. Therefore, I have decided to come up with a Conference System that will represent the internal politics in the Entente alliance as they try and cobble together a coalition that can defeat the Internationale on the Continent.

The way this system will operate is through reader votes on various issues, much in the manner of this side LP thus far. However, each choice will have consequences in so far that it will irritate or impress some of the nations in the Entente. Whether a nation is satisfied or annoyed by the sum of the choices Japan makes will either add or subtract to what will basically be an RPG dice rolling system. While in a tabletop RPG you might be critically hit at 2, hit between 3 and 6, grazed between 7 and 9 and block the attack between 10 and 12, in this system, die rolls will determine, based on a scale determined by what I determine to be their initial proclivity to help modified by the consequences of your choices, the extent to which they help Japan, or if they help at all.

So, for instance:

Nation A might have a base scale as follows, based on their relationship with Japan in game:

2-3 Only send volunteers (no military control, they send what the AI decides to send and I don’t have control over what they do send)
4-5 Send a third of the army
6-8 Send half of the army
9-12 Send as much of the army as possible

Now if Japan makes a decision that pisses them off, this scale would shift in the proper direction to bias the dice roll towards not helping, and so the scale might be as follows:

2-5 / 6-7 / 8-10 / 11-12

I will not reveal the specific scales for each nation or the point values of decisions until the conferences conclude because the point of this is not to encourage you to treat this like a game. A decision might greatly please a small ally but slightly displease a large ally, and it’s up to you to balance those considerations based on the troop strength of the allies. Or you could always choose what you think is right and drat the consequences. It is up to you!

I'll make a post in a few days describing the attitudes of the allies and detailing their troop strength that will also include the first votes. If anything about this is unclear, ask before then.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Is there a possibility to nuke Marseille and Rouen?

Friend Commuter
Nov 3, 2009
SO CLEVER I WANT TO FUCK MY OWN BRAIN.
Smellrose

Plutonis posted:

Is there a possibility to nuke Marseille and Rouen?

Nuke Geneva. They'll never see it coming.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

Plutonis posted:

Is there a possibility to nuke Marseille and Rouen?

I would actually like it if I were to have nuclear weapons and have their use as an option to vote on but I've been trying to do a whole lot with Japan's relatively limited IC. Supplies have been low for a while, I need convoys desperately, I'm building armor and motorized divisions, and more planes would probably take priority over nukes if there was any IC left over.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

"Ireland Stands Alone" is going to create one hell of a national myth

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

QuoProQuid posted:

"Ireland Stands Alone" is going to create one hell of a national myth

Do NOT hand them to the Brits OP

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Plutonis posted:

Do NOT hand them to the Brits OP

Have to conquer us first :irasmug:

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


QuoProQuid posted:

"Ireland Stands Alone" is going to create one hell of a national myth

Like they wouldn't be negotiating with Japan to avoid invasion and occupation, especially by the Canadians, ASAP.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Kavak posted:

Like they wouldn't be negotiating with Japan to avoid invasion and occupation, especially by the Canadians, ASAP.

I am sure that they are desperately negotiating a settlement while telling their people that the Japanese are cowards who know that Ireland is too tough to occupy.

"Come and take it, you bastards!"

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
Planning the Invasion of Europe



With Britain now under Entente control, the focus of Entente war planning has now shifted towards an even more challenging task: the invasion of mainland Europe.



(The United Kingdom doesn’t exist yet, them showing up here is due to me tag switching to send everybody’s expeditionary forces back home so that there is an accurate representation of who has what.)

The combined might of the Entente is greater than that of France, but unfortunately the Entente is not as ideologically unified as the Internationale and its members have differing motivations. Not all even believe that the Entente should bother invading Europe. Therefore, it falls upon Japan to motivate the members of the Entente to contribute troops towards the invasion. Some members of the Entente are under the effective control of other members, and thus will follow the lead of those members when deciding how many troops to send.

The Sphere:
Japan, Korea, Fengtien Republic, Formosa, Transamur, Vietnam, Laos, Burma

Japan: 22 infantry, 25 cavalry, 9 motorized, 2 armored, 4 marines = 62 combat-ready divisions
8 Interceptor, 4 CAS, 4 Tactical Bomber, 4 Naval Bombers
Korea: 24 infantry, 2 militia = 26
Fengtien Republic: 17 infantry, 2 cavalry, 2 mountaineer, 2 militia = 23
Formosa: 6 infantry, 4 militia = 10
1 Interceptor, 3 CAS, 1 Tactical Bomber
Transamur: 6 infantry, 3 cavalry = 9 divisions
1 interceptor
Vietnam: 4 infantry
Laos: 2 militia
Burma: 2 infantry

Sphere totals:
81 infantry, 30 cavalry, 9 motorized, 2 armored, 4 marines, 10 militia, 2 mountaineer = 138 total
10 interceptors, 7 CAS, 5 tactical bombers, 4 naval bombers


The members of the Sphere, which consists of Japan and its puppets, will follow the lead of Japan anywhere, and so none of the decisions made during the conferences will affect their willingness to fight, provided they still exist at the conclusion of negotiations.

Canada:
New England, Cuba, and the Caribbean Federation will follow the lead of Canada.
Canada: 25 infantry, 3 cavalry, 1 armored, 4 marines = 33
7 Interceptor, 2 tactical bombers, 2 naval bombers
New England: 19 infantry, 4 motorized = 23
1 interceptor
Caribbean Federation: 1 infantry
Cuba: No land divisions
3 tactical bombers

Canada and friends totals:
45 infantry, 3 cavalry, 4 motorized, 1 armored, 4 marines = 57 total
8 interceptors, 5 tactical bombers, 2 naval bombers


Canada, Japan’s closest ally and ideological partner, feels an enormous debt of gratitude towards Japan for playing a decisive role in the war in North America and for putting an end to their long time enemy, the Union of Britain. Therefore, they have a very high base willingness to fight.

National France:
28 infantry, 3 cavalry, 3 motorized, 1 marine, 1 mountaineer, 1 militia = 37 total
4 tactical bombers


National France, the least democratic of all Entente members, has had a rocky relationship with Japan, as the liberal and socialist parties in Japan have a great and public distaste for their colonial nature. Japan has publicly refused to assist them against the native rebellions troubling them, and Japan’s invasion of East Africa has been taken as an aggressive encroachment of Japan upon a sphere of influence which the Algiers government regards as “theirs”. However, there are the most under threat from the Internationale, and so they still have a moderate base willingness to fight.

Republic of China:
27 infantry, 8 cavalry, 4 motorized = 39 total
18 interceptors


The Republic of China has the most left-wing government of any Entente state, and has the friendliest relationship with the Internationale, despite the official state of war that exists between the two alliances. The Chinese public is mostly unwilling to go to war in Europe, but there is a great demand for Chinese reunification to be completed, and so the Republic may be convinced to join into the war through various bribes and promises. Until then, however, they have a very low base willingness to fight.

Delhi:
Nepal and Sri Lanka will follow the lead of Delhi
Delhi: 11 infantry, 18 cavalry, 1 militia = 30
3 tactical bombers
Nepal: 3 infantry
Sri Lanka: 2 infantry

South Asia total: 16 infantry, 18 cavalry, 1 militia = 35 total
3 tactical bombers


Delhi has friendly relations with Canada and is generally supportive of the idea of liberating Europe, as they wish to see new export markets opened up for their many goods. However, they distrust Japan and believe that Japan is angling to dominate the rest of the Entente. Therefore, they have a moderate base willingness to fight.

Australasian Confederation:
18 infantry, 5 cavalry, 1 light armor, 1 militia = 25 total
6 naval bombers


The Australasian Confederation, much like Delhi, is supportive of liberating Europe, but they also mistrust Japanese motives and believe that Japan is trying to subsume Australasia into its Sphere, rather than treating Australasia as a partner. Therefore, they have a moderate base willingness to fight.

United States of America:
14 infantry, 2 militia = 16 total
15 CAS


The United States of America, like Canada, recognizes the importance of Japan in liberating them from the Internationale. However, they are eager to assert themselves as a great power once again and their populace is war weary and unconvinced of internationalism, and so they have a moderate base willingness to fight.

Pacific States of America:
15 infantry, 9 militia = 24
1 CAS, 2 tactical bombers


The Pacific States have the highest opinion of Japan of virtually anybody in the Entente, as Japan was the first nation to send them support when the Civil War broke out. However, the population has bought into the Pacific-centric philosophy of foreign policy, and do not generally wish to be involved in Europe. However, their liberal feelings are genuine and strong and combined with their loyalty to Japan, they have a high base willingness to fight.

South African Federation:
14 infantry, 1 light armored, 3 militia = 18 divisions
1 interceptor


The South African Federation has only recently decided to join the Entente and, like National France, is distrustful of Japan’s intentions in Africa. However, unlike National France, they have not a contentious public relationship with Japan, and so they have a moderate base willingness to fight.

Indonesia:
14 infantry, 1 cavalry = 15 divisions

Indonesia has found itself in a unique political situation at home. The Dutch exiles are eager to liberate the homeland, but the Indonesian population is not interested in European adventures. However, the Dutch exiles have made a pact with the representatives of the Indonesian population that if Indonesia raises armies to fight in Europe, the Dutch government-in-exile would grant Indonesia complete independence. Therefore, Indonesia has a high base willingness to fight.

CONFERENCE VOTE #1: Auxiliary Maneuvers

The Entente will not be prepared to launch an invasion of Europe until at least 1942, and so there is time for other wars aimed at securing the Entente’s position. In addition, Japan must decide whether or not to transfer control of Great Britain to Canada.

Vote #1: The British Question

PROBLEM: Japan has invaded and occupied Great Britain, and while Canada has stopped short of demanding we hand over the territory to them, they have assumed for a long time that we would, and they have been preparing a government of exiles to take over. However, we do have the option of establishing the United Kingdom as a puppet state of Japan.

Option A: Establish a Puppet Great Britain

Release a puppet United Kingdom under Japanese control. This would greatly displease Canada and result in a moderate amount of dissent, as the Japanese public generally does not support the idea of acting dishonorably towards Canada.

quote:

”Japanese blood should pay for Japanese gain!” – Text on leaflet handed out at nationalist rally in Tokyo

Option B: Hand the Territory to Canada

Cede Great Britain to Canada and allow Canada to establish a new order in Great Britain. This will greatly please Canada.

quote:

”For decades we have scorned European attempts to establish European order in Asia, and now some amongst us agitate to establish Japanese order in Europe? Whether or not it is moral to do so, we must also recognize how preposterous the concept is. Give it over to the Canadians, and let us move forward towards greater ends, in unity with our allies.” - Shigeaki Tsuda, Minseito member of the Diet

(Socialists and Nationalists would have had the option to break up the UK into England, Wales and Scotland in order to break the power of a potential naval rival)

Vote #2: The Irish Question

Ireland has gained control of the German High Seas Fleet and Japan will have no choice but to invade Ireland. The question remains about what to do with the island once it is seized. The Irish, in the chaos after the Great War, had freed themselves from British control, and the British king in exile had never renounced his claim of sovereignty over the island. However, public opinion is against handing the island back to British rule.

Option A: Maintain Irish Independence Under Japanese Influence

Ireland would be granted independence as a Japanese puppet. This would slightly displease Canada, Australasia, and Delhi, as they would be concerned about the precedent set by Japan unilaterally rejecting the British Empire’s claimed borders. It would please the United States of America, which is under great pressure by its Irish immigrant population to support Irish independence. It would also slightly please the Republic of China, which would appreciate a show of Japan’s commitment to self-determination and anti-colonialism.

quote:

”Is our government sending our men to die for democracy like they claim?! Or are they sending our men to die for the British Empire?! Britain for the British and Ireland for the Irish!” - Tomomi Kondo, Shakai Taishuto member of the Diet

Option B: Hand Over Ireland to Canada/the UK

Irish territory would be transferred to Canadian or British occupation. This would slightly please Canada, Delhi and Australasia, while displeasing the United States and slightly displeasing the Republic of China.

quote:

”What would you all say if a foreign power had decided to rip Korea from us? That is a British decision and Japan ought to respect whatever process they decide.” - Youta Nishikawa, Seiyukai member of the Diet

Vote #3: The Algerian Question

Japan has already decided once not to assist National France with their Algerian rebellion, but the rebellion has endured for months and captured all of Morocco and most of Algeria. Algeria represents a potentially important base for Entente operations in the Mediterranean, but Japan assisting an unpopular National French regime against anti-colonial revolts has the potential to irritate other Entente members.

Option A: Help the French

Japanese forces in East Africa would be sent north to help put an end to the rebellion. This would please National France, but it would slightly displease the Republic of China as a violation of Japan’s professed anti-colonial and democratic beliefs.

quote:

”The capture of Britain has certainly given us new bases, but having bases in Algeria would allow for more strategic flexibility when it comes to the attack on Europe. If National France is having trouble putting this down, then we should go wrap it up before it becomes more of a problem.” - Hiroo Yoshioka, IJA General

Option B: Reaffirm Japan’s Previous Policy

The Japanese forces would be redeployed to Britain, and National France would be left to handle the situation on their own. This would displease National France but slightly please the Republic of China.

quote:

”The National French aspire to invade and liberate their homeland but they can’t even defeat a rabble like the FLN? Let them figure it out on their own, because if their army is so pitiful they can’t deal with this situation then we are better off not having them when we invade Europe.” - Takamasa Komori, IJA General

Vote #4: The Mexican Question

Mexico has been occupying parts of the United States and Pacific States since the Civil War, and both have wanted them their territory back for months. The areas under Mexican occupation contain many industries and populations that could be used to recruit more divisions for use in Europe, and most importantly, Texas is one of the most oil-rich areas in the world, and Mexico has been selling Texan oil to the European Internationale for months. The USA, PSA, New England and Canada are willing to deploy their troops in an operation to seize the fields and deny the European Internationale a critical source of war materiel, but they seek Japan’s support for such a move.

Option A: Give the Go Ahead

A North American army will attack Mexico. The United States and Pacific States will be pleased but the Republic of China would be slightly displeased to see a popularly supported leftist government toppled for economic purposes.

quote:

”France’s infamous and dangerous armor needs oil to function, and Texas has been a major source. We must seize it, not only to deny them their oil, but to secure it for our own army, which guzzles a great deal of fuel that we do not produce in Japan!” – Fumiki Takemoto, IJA General

Option B: Veto the Proposal

Mexico will remain untouched. The United States and Pacific States will be displeased and the Republic of China would be slightly pleased.

quote:

”What is being advertised by the Americans as a restoration to democracy is nothing but a repeat of the imperialist land grab of 100 years ago! Do not let the war be an excuse for greedy capitalists to seize the wealth of oppressed nations for themselves.” - Hiromasa Niwa, Shakai Taishuto member of the Diet

The next update will have four votes centered around the allocation of territory in Africa and Asia. The update after that will have three votes centered around planning for the post-war world, which will conclude the conferences.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Vote #1: The British Question
Option B: Hand the Territory to Canada


Vote #2: The Irish Question
Option A: Maintain Irish Independence Under Japanese Influence


Vote #3: The Algerian Question
Option B: Reaffirm Japan’s Previous Policy


Vote #4: The Mexican Question
Option A: Give the Go Ahead

zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Sep 24, 2017

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply