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Stringent posted:Japan is easily the best candidate for a fascist takeover amongst developed countries, imo. ?
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Stringent posted:Japan is easily the best candidate for a fascist takeover Stringent posted:I didn't say it was the most likely to be taken over by fascists. You could at least try not to post these things on the same page.
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Sep 2, 2017 05:11
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OK then let me rephrase it. A fascist takeover would be accomplished in Japan with less difficulty than in any other developed nation.
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Sep 2, 2017 05:16
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Nah. Most of your reasoning in this post Stringent posted:Japan has a well-funded, well-organized ultra right wing with a narrative focused on scapegoating a fairly powerless minority. It has strong ties to and tacit approval from the people running the country, and the only even slightly organized opposition it faces are people who go out and march against nuclear power because Japan got nuked in WW2. Applies even more so to the United States currently, if nothing else. You can give the people organizing against Trump more credit I guess.
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Sep 2, 2017 05:25
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I'm not sure how far into this I want to go. Do you live in Japan or have you for any extended amount of time?
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Stringent posted:I'm not sure how far into this I want to go. Do you live in Japan or have you for any extended amount of time? If there's a scale with 1984 on one end, and Brave New World on the other, Japan is closer to Brave New World than nearly any other country on Earth. It definitely has its problems but the systemic violence and brutality needed for fascism to take hold just isn't there. The people are too pacifist. Neither is the massive inequality there. In most of the West the social contract is a bad joke. You can do everything you're "supposed" to do and still be left destitute. That isn't really the case in Japan, still (though maybe give it a decade or two). The deal Japanese people get is pretty poo poo: bust your rear end in middle school and high school, take a breather in college, then swear fealty to whatever company wants it, for 40 years. If you do that, you'll mostly have a poo poo life compared to, let's say the American upper middle class, but you'll be looked after and have a security they don't. That's what Japan offers its people and for the time being it is holding up its end of the bargain. (Again, cracks may be starting to show, but it's nothing compared to basically the entire West.) The seeds just aren't there, or rather there aren't enough of them. (Yet.) Things can always change fast, by which I mean over the course of years, but for now the threat of fascism in Japan is really, really low. Compared to pretty much all of the West, at any rate. Anyway, if you feel you can only explain yourself to someone who's lived there for a long enough time, perhaps you should reconsider whether you're just wrong.
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Sep 2, 2017 06:27
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"Japan is closer to Brave New World than nearly any other country on Earth" Where on earth are all these lovely takes coming from
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Sep 2, 2017 06:30
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Well of course you're going to scan my post for some bit of shorthand or turn of phrase to take issue with - you wouldn't be shrike82 my forums' stalker if you didn't. I'm surprised you haven't "outed" me, again, as a whitebread Trump voter from Florida. Something wrong?
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Sep 2, 2017 06:42
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I'm not particularly interested in the fact that you voted for Trump here. I'm wondering why you're making another dumb assertion about Japan being closer to BNW than any other country in the world. BNW's argument is that unlike direct oppression we see in 1984, the masses will be distracted by trivialities. I don't know why you'd think Japan is #1 on the list.
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Sep 2, 2017 06:50
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shrike82 posted:I'm not particularly interested in the fact that you voted for Trump here.
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Sep 2, 2017 06:54
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What's up with people making dumb assertions and then running away from them as "turns of phrase". Make an argument. You said Japan is closer to BNW than any other country in the world. How?
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Sep 2, 2017 06:55
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shrike82 posted:What's up with people making dumb assertions and then running away from them as "turns of phrase".
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Sep 2, 2017 06:56
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Yikes. Talk about projection
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Sep 2, 2017 06:57
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Get a room you two
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Sep 2, 2017 07:02
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Abe fell flat on his rear end even trying to get constitutional reform. Remember that Japan is an extremely bureaucratic country with a deep state that likes to keep things the way they are, it's hard to change small things, revolutions (either of the good kind or the bad kind) are unthinkable. The peace movement and anti-nuclear movement are also pretty strong. Nobody cares about the exploits of some lovely netuyos in real life. The extreme right is slowly eroding the system, getting small victories like that "morals course" in high schools (which I love, by the way, what better way to show kids how to behave by dictating a bad example for the smart ones to rebel against?). If they want a real victory they'd have to penetrate the bureaucracy first, without which Japan doesn't function.
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I'm curious what 2ch make of American alt-right online culture eg pepes. The comments section for this article are hilarious https://asahi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1494318321/l50 【アメリカ】「カエルのペペ」永眠...極右の象徴にされた漫画キャラ、作者が死なす quote:写真の男イケメンすぎるだろ quote:クマーがなぜか海外でペドベアーになったようなもんか shrike82 fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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Sep 2, 2017 07:09
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shrike82 posted:
Well, frogs DO live in ponds...
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Sep 2, 2017 07:20
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shrike82 posted:Yikes. Talk about projection You don't post in good faith. Ever. Why would I have a discussion with you about anything. Why should anyone? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 2, 2017 07:23
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Dude, take a chill pill. I asked you why you think Japan is closer to BNW than any other country in the world. Why are you melting down about being a Trump voter? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 2, 2017 08:32
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shrike, do you mind translating some of those comments for those of us who are interested in the reactions but don't speak Japanese? Thank you.
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Sep 2, 2017 08:35
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The first was commenting that the random white dude carrying a placard of Pepe (photo in the article) was too good-looking, and the second was musing about how an innocuous bear mascot (that originated from 2ch) became pedobear in the US. edit: and the article was about Matt Furie killing off Pepe shrike82 fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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Sep 2, 2017 08:46
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-16/japan-s-leader-abe-may-call-snap-general-election-nhk-reports Welp, looks like Abe is actually going to call an early election to capitalize on the DP's weakness. If he gets a 2/3 majority without Komeito you can probably throw all the talk of him leaving and a more liberal LDP admin coming in out the window. He very well might get another full 3-year term and possibly/probably push through constitutional change pretty fast Fun fact: The only postwar election held on schedule because its term expired, and not either called early by the LDP to take the opposition off-guard, or because the government collapsed in scandal or deadlock, was 1976 icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Sep 17, 2017 |
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Sep 17, 2017 11:33
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It's like the perfect timing for Abe. There's no serious opposition and the North Korea stuff has finally pushed the Kake Gakuen scandal out of the news (after months!) and made people much more concerned about national defense. This is going to be the best opportunity to change Article 9 for years.
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Sep 17, 2017 14:24
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icantfindaname posted:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-16/japan-s-leader-abe-may-call-snap-general-election-nhk-reports I was afraid he'd do this.
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Sep 17, 2017 17:22
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So when is the Korean peninsula being invaded?
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Lightning Lord posted:So when is the Korean peninsula being invaded?
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mystes posted:By a country that's not even convinced it has a right to attempt to shoot down a missile above it? That's why Abe's going to fix the constitution!
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Sep 18, 2017 03:19
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Lightning Lord posted:That's why Abe's going to fix the constitution!
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Sep 18, 2017 14:40
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It looks like Maehara is tentatively in favor of revising the constitution as well: (in Japanese) http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASK9L65MJK9LUTFK00D.html
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Sep 19, 2017 02:21
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mystes posted:Japan could conceivably end up having to get involved in a US military action against North Korea if a US military action against North Korea was conceivable, which it is not, but Japan isn't just going to randomly start WW3 by trying to handle North Korea on its own, just because its constitution will now says it's ok for it to have the military it already has. I meant they'd conquer North and South Korea to usher in Neo Japan like in my animes.
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Sep 19, 2017 02:30
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Koike's got her national party now: 希望の党 or "Party of Hope". My instant reaction: good branding for a right-wing populist party that wants to be able to downplay how right-wing it is. That they avoided the obvious "Japan First Party" might be evidence of level of savvy that's been missing from the opposition parties since the LDP retook power. They could really do some damage. This all but ensures the destruction of the Democratic Party in my view. Edit: Oh, and Abe's gonna dissolve the House of Representatives at the beginning of the extraordinary Diet session he's calling on the 28th. Election will be October 22nd. Mr. Fix It fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 08:24
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On the optimist side, the DP apparently will in fact cooperate with the JCP in marginal seats, contrary to what Maehara had said Also, if Abe doesn't win any more seats/a supermajority, I think that guarantees he leaves next year. If this were a normal, properly functioning parliamentary democracy calling an election at this point would be really dumb and the incumbent should lose a bunch of seats, as he's been in power for 5 years. The LDP lost a few seats in 2014 with a similarly weak DPJ and that's not that far fetched an outcome this time The real question is what effect Koike's party has. It will probably pull voters from the LDP as well as the DP, so it might not kill the DP, and also it might decide to be a pain in the rear end for Abe and exact concessions for its cooperation instead of just rubberstamping whatever fascist stuff Abe dreams of passing. But this being Japan, maybe not icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 17:09
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What kind of campaigning does the JCP do? I feel like they never get mentioned in the news stories I read so I have no idea what their strategy is.
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Sep 25, 2017 18:57
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From what I've read the JCP basically operates as a cult very similar to the Komeito, consistently gets about 10% of the vote and can't go higher because the voting public at large sees it as a weird cult. It also refuses to cooperate/go into coalition with the DPJ, so that 10% of the vote is basically wasted. Although I'm not sure what the direction/causality of that is, whether the JCP refuses to cooperate with the other or the DPJ does. It was not part of the 2009-2012 DPJ government It also hates/is hated by the Komeito, apparently because they target the same demographic as supporters, but this is also a problem for the center-left because the Komeito itself is more liberal than the LDP and conceivably could join a coalition with the DPJ, but that would preclude coalition with the JCP In the 1970s the LDP came very close to losing power, and actually was a minority government from 1976-1980, but the opposition parties, which at that time included the Komeito, along with the JCP, and the two socialist parties which don't exist anymore and were absorbed into the DPJ, couldn't cooperate largely because of the JCP-Komeito hostility icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 19:58
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Badger of Basra posted:What kind of campaigning does the JCP do? I feel like they never get mentioned in the news stories I read so I have no idea what their strategy is. Noisy trucks and posters. That's about all I've ever seen. I'm sympathetic to them but they seem to rely on old fashioned methods too much for their own good.
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Sep 25, 2017 22:07
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https://news.yahoo.co.jp/pickup/6255519 The Democratic Party may not even make it to the election. Maehara, the guy just elected party leader, has said he will run as an independent. There were reports earlier he was meeting with Koike to negotiate cooperation between DP and the Party of Hope, so my guess is that he failed in his bid to get his party to go along with it and is quitting the party because of that.
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Sep 27, 2017 13:11
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sounds like Koike wasn't interested anywayquote:小池氏、民進との組織的連携否定 候補ごとに検討の考え
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Sep 27, 2017 13:24
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shrike82 posted:sounds like Koike wasn't interested anyway Pardon me if I don't take her at her word. All the better to have that sound bite out there now that any agreement, along with the party that was the other half of it, is falling apart.
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How is Maehara so bad? How can you be so incompetent and still manage to become leader? It's genuinely baffling.
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