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Hint: The AfD got protest votes from people who believed that the current mainstream parties were not conservative/nationalist not by people who actually want socialism or a German Sanders.
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Orange Devil posted:I'm calling the votes for the party whose leader reminisced longingly about the fine Nazi German soldiers just weeks ago Nazi votes. Didn't the politician in question talk about Wehrmacht instead of the SS and Hitler-Satan? And yeah you are a hysterical fool, you got that right. It's possibly impossible for you to figure out but not everyone who opposes completely open borders equals as the Nazis. They might have other reasons than praising hitlers. MiddleOne posted:It doesn't matter if it's a time-honored tradition across history. Putting the rich to the flame is not exactly revolutionary* either. All that matters is that it hasn't been the mainstream politics of the last 30 years which makes it new and exciting to people who aren't familiar with politics. The scary thing is that you might believe what you write. *facepalm3000* IF PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH ME, THEY CAN BECOME HITLERNAZIS!!!!1 DANGEROUS! PROTESTING LEADS TO HITLER!!12 IF GERMANS PROTEST IT BECOMES HITTLARRRRR. BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T THINK LIKE ME MUST NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH POLITICS. Listen to yourself. Lol. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Ligur posted:Didn't the politician in question talk about Wehrmacht instead of the SS and Hitler-Satan? Clean Wehrmacht myth incoming. I don't give a gently caress how upset you are with the establishment parties. You choose to vote for a Nazi party, that makes you a Nazi.
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Ligur posted:Didn't the politician in question talk about Wehrmacht instead of the SS and Hitler-Satan? The Wehrmacht were complicit in the actions of the Einsatzgruppen (although to be fair some officers complained to their higher-ups that all this killing civilians business was bad for morale), and committed war crimes by their merry selves as well. This is a really dumb, wrong pedantic argument to try and make.
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I am truly surprised that the guy with many probations for racist behaviour and comments like "Evil Wagner listening monocultural fascist" in his rap sheet is defending neo-Nazis. Why exactly is Ligur tolerated here?
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Gort posted:I am truly surprised that the guy with many probations for racist behaviour and comments like "Evil Wagner listening monocultural fascist" in his rap sheet is defending neo-Nazis. That "Wagner listening" -comment was actually written by _me_ as a joke to someone. Also where and how was I defending neo-nazis?!
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If they've had to probate you 36 times it's probably worth just banning you to save the effort.
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Ligur posted:*facepalm3000* Well this is embarrassing. I'd answer that a far-right person saying that Germany should be proud of the accomplishments of their soldiers during WWII is extremely obviously signalling to a very radical portion of the electorate, but being wilfully thick seems to be your shtick. lost in postation fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Sep 26, 2017 |
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Ligur posted:Also where and how was I defending neo-nazis?! Right there: Ligur posted:Didn't the politician in question talk about Wehrmacht instead of the SS and Hitler-Satan? "The politician in question" is a neo-nazi; you are trying to make him look like a reasonable not-a-Nazi by attempting to argue about semantics, which is certainly a form of defense. And no, sorry, there are absolutely zero way that a statement that "Germans should be proud of what their army did during WW2" can be seen as disconnected from Nazism. Everything the Wehrmacht did during WW2 was at the behest of Germany's Nazi government; if you're proud of the Wehrmacht's accomplishments then you are proud of how Hitler's orders were obeyed. Just gently caress off with that poo poo.
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At this point, Ligur literally only has one more variation on this conversation left. Poster 1: "Hitler was a Nazi! Ligur: "Hmm, pretty bad if true. Poster 2: "Don't listen to them, they're just trying to smear a man for having a different viewpoint." Ligur: "I knew it! Leftists are always calling people Hitler-Satan."
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Ligur, I asked the same question but in actual good faith and got some good answers. You could read the beginning of this page. So, I keep reading that its likely that the liberals/free marketeers are likely to enter Merkel's coalition, and that that means any serious reform of the euro is as good as dead. Do you guys agree?
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Dawncloack posted:Ligur, I asked the same question but in actual good faith and got some good answers. You could read the beginning of this page. FDP sees Finance Ministry as a prestige object, so yeah they'll toe the CDU line
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Goa Tse-tung posted:FDP sees Finance Ministry as a prestige object, so yeah they'll toe the CDU line The FDP is much more conservative with respect to a potential transfer union than the CDU.
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Could it possibly be that the people who voted for AfD did so because they thought that an open doors policy for 1.6m refugees was too much, not because they really strongly agreed with a statement about the Wehrmacht? Also, while "proud" isn't really the best word, being impressed by how the Germans conquered nearly all of Europe maybe doesn't make you a Nazi or agree with them starting the war in the first place, let alone the whole holocaust thing? (other than in the eyes of a groups of posters here who throw the word "Nazi" around like there's a Nazi lurking around every corner) Like you can be impressed by German rocket scientists during WW2 who were also working under instructions from Hitler and who also created weapons that killed innocent civilians. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Could it possibly be that the people who voted for AfD did so because they thought that an open doors policy for 1.6m refugees was too much, not because they really strongly agreed with a statement about the Wehrmacht? Obviously they don't have to strongly agree with it, but clearly they are fine with people being proud about Nazis and what they did. It's like in the Netherlands if you vote for the "Freedom Party" you might not hate Muslims, but clearly you are fine with their religion being banned. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Has this been posted here? https://twitter.com/AliCologne/status/912252586325155840 Because lol gently caress racists and Nazis, they're stupid, they exist and nothing you say against that makes it false. gently caress those people actually, let's build another country with a wall around it and put them all there, see how long they last before they start killing each other based on "blood purity". Most people who complain about globalization and the lazy immigrants are actually the laziest people in society that expect to do exactly the same thing over and over until they get their pension and not have to learn a single new thing in their life. When something changes their plan and they have to adapt, it's obviously not their fault, it's the rest of the world that's to blame. gently caress off.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Also, while "proud" isn't really the best word, being impressed by how the Germans conquered nearly all of Europe maybe doesn't make you a Nazi Oh it definitely does if you're loving German.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Could it possibly be that the people who voted for AfD did so because they thought that an open doors policy for 1.6m refugees was too much, not because they really strongly agreed with a statement about the Wehrmacht? The "official" AfD justification is that Gauland was just citing Mitterand who said something very similar 20 years ago, that most soldiers, French and German, fought valiantly for their country and many of them made the ultimate sacrifice. In that interpretation being "proud of what the German soldiers did in two world wars" is more about individual valor and sacrifice and not how many countries they conquered.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Could it possibly be that the people who voted for AfD did so because they thought that an open doors policy for 1.6m refugees was too much, not because they really strongly agreed with a statement about the Wehrmacht? I don't give a gently caress what their stated reason is. End of the day, they found it acceptable to choose to vote for a Nazi party. Do I really have to spell out what the Nazi Final Solutions for foreign influence (perceived or actual) is? And why it's just a little problematic to vote for these people? And why that might just tell us a little something about you if you do it anyway? The only German soldiers to be proud of during the Nazi period were those who fought in the Thalmann Battalion. The rest deserve either scorn or pity, depending on age and actions. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Geriatric Pirate posted:being impressed by how the Germans conquered nearly all of Europe only goes on to show that you know gently caress-all about history. The nazi war machine didn't have its poo poo together so much as the other countries involved in the war had their poo poo even less together than them.
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Sep 27, 2017 12:26
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orange sky posted:Has this been posted here? Hillary 2020
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I'm glad some people learned absolutely nothing in the 45 years of soviet oppression  e: what I mean is, rebuild the wall
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Wasn't the official line in East Germany literally that people there did nothing wrong during the war? As opposed to the actual acknowledgement by West Germany that the German people had indeed hosed up?
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Ligur posted:Have you considered a vote you don't like might be, in your POV, a nazi vote? I know right, everyone cries Nazi at the drop of a hat these days. Watch *votes for the Nazi party* There it is hysterical people calling me a Nazi wtf
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Truga posted:I'm glad some people learned absolutely nothing in the 45 years of soviet oppression What did you expect? De-Nazification wasn't really a thing in the East. The Soviet Union just declared everyone not immediately on board with Stalinist Opression a Nazi, and that was it. You could basically burn your SS-uniform and switch to "Heil Stalin!" and presto: One Nazi less, one Communist more. There never was anything like the 68er with their uprising against Adenauer's Republic either.
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Kassad posted:Wasn't the official line in East Germany literally that people there did nothing wrong during the war? As opposed to the actual acknowledgement by West Germany that the German people had indeed hosed up? Communists had an... Interesting take on the Holocaust and German aggression. quote:According to Fox, within the framework of orthodox Marxist thinking, oppression based on ethnicity, race, gender or religion was typical only for capitalist society and generally held the status of a ‘secondary’ phenomenon in comparison to class oppression. Anti-Semitism, for example, was viewed as a distraction created by the ruling class to divert the attention of people from their true oppressors. The Holocaust was a consequence of racist fascism (directed not only at Jews, but also at Slavs), which was, in turn, the ultimate expression of capitalism and imperialism. Thus, the roots of the Holocaust, according to Soviet ideologists, lay in capitalism, expressed in its most degenerate form – fascism. According to Marxist ideology, by changing the economic and political system from capitalist to socialist, citizens could free themselves from such matters as anti-Semitism and racism (Fox, 2004: 420)
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Could it possibly be that the people who voted for AfD did so because they thought that an open doors policy for 1.6m refugees was too much, not because they really strongly agreed with a statement about the Wehrmacht? So how hard did you have to resist adding "and say what you will about goals, but the industrial murder of 12 million people was an astonishing and impressive logistical, technical, and computational achievement any German should be proud of that and so should the little countries who helped them along the way" ? On a scale of 1 to I dunno, say, 1488?
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orange sky posted:
What do the words in that picture say? I find it interesting despite the general quality of the post.
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Ligur posted:What do the words in that picture say? I find it interesting despite the general quality of the post. left: where foreigners live right: AfD vote share lesson that shitposter ligur will totally miss the point of: far right regressives are retarded manbabies who should be locked into a mental institution
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Ligur posted:What do the words in that picture say? I find it interesting despite the general quality of the post. "Left: where the most foreigners live. Right: where the AfD got the most votes."
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blowfish posted:left: where foreigners live
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Ligur posted:What do the words in that picture say? I find it interesting despite the general quality of the post. Ahahah thanks Ligur that's quite a compliment coming from you A post calling for literal Nazis to gently caress themselves is a bad post according to Ligur
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Sep 27, 2017 13:47
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/913021881346871296
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jBrereton posted:Alternative lesson, people in areas so economically depressed that foreigners don't want to live there will do anything to voice their discontent, particularly if it rubs the people who've been studiously ignoring/insulting them the wrong way. Poor German people can only afford one 4K television
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Ligur posted:What is the general AfD stance on EU? (((brussels))) (((eurocrats))) who are possibly (((soros)))-funded (((jews))) ruining are cuntry
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Alternatively, it's actually economic anxiety, how did I not think of that
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orange sky posted:Poor German people can only afford one 4K television And they also have a refrigerator! Lucky ducks!
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jBrereton posted:Alternative lesson, people in areas so economically depressed that foreigners don't want to live there will do anything to voice their discontent, particularly if it rubs the people who've been studiously ignoring/insulting them the wrong way. at a policy level i support the stance that having politicians treat the deep east as bumfuck flyover country that deserves to die in a fire is counterproductive but at a personal level gently caress 'em
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orange sky posted:Poor German people can only afford one 4K television They tried voting left and the SPD refused to coalition with them, twice, because the only East Germans they want to work with are born-again conservatives I guess?
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