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Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

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How long until Final Fantasy X-2.8 Final Chapter Prologue?

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Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



Shadow Hog posted:

How long until Final Fantasy X-2.8 Final Chapter Prologue?

After how exceptionally and hilariously bad 2.5 was, absolutely never.

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Caitlin posted:

For me it was pretty much this exactly, especially since I was a teen girl. Teen girl license on top of it is pretty niche.

Yeah, thinking about what I knew about the anime fandom back in the late 1990s and early 2000s (albeit more as a member of the AMV community), it seemed like CLAMP's works were almost obligatory for serious otaku girls to be into. Am I inaccurate in that?

It would make sense, though, seeing how the US anime offerings were still pretty sparse to begin with, even sparser when one sifted out the obvious fanservice rubbish, and sparser still if one wanted something written and created from a female perspective that wasn't generic toastbiter shoujo fluff. Harder times, but also simpler and more magical...

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.

Kthulhu5000 posted:

Yeah, thinking about what I knew about the anime fandom back in the late 1990s and early 2000s (albeit more as a member of the AMV community), it seemed like CLAMP's works were almost obligatory for serious otaku girls to be into. Am I inaccurate in that?

It would make sense, though, seeing how the US anime offerings were still pretty sparse to begin with, even sparser when one sifted out the obvious fanservice rubbish, and sparser still if one wanted something written and created from a female perspective that wasn't generic toastbiter shoujo fluff. Harder times, but also simpler and more magical...

Not at all inaccurate, at least at the time. Nowadays it seems like people could take or leave them, but they still have a pretty serious following (CLAMP that is). I remember being at my friend Allison's house so we could watch RG Veda on laserdisc and play Akumajo Dracula X on her Turbo Duo. :toot:

We were weeb trash that had not yet evolved into fujoshi. Unsure what determines final form. The only other manga I remember her getting really into besides CLAMP was poo poo from Watase Yuu.

Magical girls were huge (not that they aren't still, but it was pretty much "golden times") because, at least in the west, women were (as usual) treated as the sub-niche of a niche. So they tended to adapt stuff that they could ostensibly peddle to guys too.

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Caitlin posted:

Not at all inaccurate, at least at the time. Nowadays it seems like people could take or leave them, but they still have a pretty serious following (CLAMP that is). I remember being at my friend Allison's house so we could watch RG Veda on laserdisc and play Akumajo Dracula X on her Turbo Duo. :toot:

Livin' the dream. Though, funnily enough, the cost of recreating that experience from scratch is probably unchanged from back when that stuff was still brand new. Well, maybe the Laserdisc part is cheaper today, but the prices of PCE CD hardware and a legit copy of Akumajo Dracula X would definitely swallow those cost savings.

Caitlin posted:

We were weeb trash that had not yet evolved into fujoshi. Unsure what determines final form. The only other manga I remember her getting really into besides CLAMP was poo poo from Watase Yuu.

Magical girls were huge (not that they aren't still, but it was pretty much "golden times") because, at least in the west, women were (as usual) treated as the sub-niche of a niche. So they tended to adapt stuff that they could ostensibly peddle to guys too.

Yeah, that makes sense. The US distributors of that era probably picked up early on the prospective financial bonanza of selling the equivalent of animated softcore porn and power fantasies to teenage boys, and everything else got short shrift unless it was something like a CLAMP work with enough obvious momentum behind it to warrant a release, or an acclaimed movie (like a Ghibli film) that provided some respectable cover.

It's also kind of why I dropped out of the anime fandom, because I was already picking up a stagnant vibe of repetitive churn once I had gone through the backlog of decent stuff that interested me. Fast forward to today, where it just feels even more formulaic and apparent that so much of it is just regrinding the same old thing over and over again, making it even thinner and less substantial with each iteration through.

EDIT: Dropped out of the fandom fairly early, that is, not "last month".

Kthulhu5000 fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Sep 27, 2017

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

Cubivore_ posted:

I don't spend too much on gaming so I decided to treat myself for once. If I regret it later I can always resell it and get my money back.

Fair enough. Radiant Silvergun was worth the $150 I paid in 2002, by the way. I got a substantial discount for asking the seller to keep the stupid spine card.

Kid Fenris
Jan 22, 2004

If someone is reading this...
I must have failed.

Kthulhu5000 posted:

Yeah, thinking about what I knew about the anime fandom back in the late 1990s and early 2000s (albeit more as a member of the AMV community), it seemed like CLAMP's works were almost obligatory for serious otaku girls to be into. Am I inaccurate in that?

It would make sense, though, seeing how the US anime offerings were still pretty sparse to begin with, even sparser when one sifted out the obvious fanservice rubbish, and sparser still if one wanted something written and created from a female perspective that wasn't generic toastbiter shoujo fluff. Harder times, but also simpler and more magical...

Anime was pretty easy to find by the mid-1990s; any Suncoast or Best Buy had a dedicated stretch of it. Most of it consisted of movies and OVAs for two reasons. One, OVAs could show more sex and violence than TV series. More importantly, though, TV series cost more to license and sell across multiple VHS tapes. It was much less risky to bring over a one-volume deal like Battle Skipper or Battle Angel or Battle Royale High School.

This changed by the late 1990s, when American companies started licensing a wider range of anime TV shows like Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop, Rurouni Kenshin, and even some no-name stuff like Ehrgeiz. And then America's anime bubble arose with the 2000s and publishers began rabidly licensing almost every new anime from Japan even if no one wanted it, and the industry crashed, the end, no moral.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

I'm not much of an anime nerd but I liked the Love Hina series. I got fansubs off Kazaa in 2002-03ish. Using dial-up. Took forever and the vids were 512x320 or something tiny. Pretty sure there were dvds available though, and the person I was living with bought some of the manga, which I read.

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Kid Fenris posted:

Anime was pretty easy to find by the mid-1990s; any Suncoast or Best Buy had a dedicated stretch of it.

Well, if you lived in a location that had those stores back in that period, sure. Where I lived (in the grand state of Oregon), you could maybe rent a couple titles at the independent video store and Hollywood Video. Otherwise, it was pretty niche in my area, and maybe if you trudged 100 miles up to Portland and had an idea of where to look, you could find more than a handful of token titles.

Kid Fenris posted:

This changed by the late 1990s, when American companies started licensing a wider range of anime TV shows like Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop, Rurouni Kenshin, and even some no-name stuff like Ehrgeiz. And then America's anime bubble arose with the 2000s and publishers began rabidly licensing almost every new anime from Japan even if no one wanted it, and the industry crashed, the end, no moral.

I agree with this, though. I imagine the transition to DVD and its advantages (better picture, but also cheaper to manufacture and able to do stuff like hold multiple audio tracks and have options for subtitles) led to that saturation you mention. Whatever threadbare curation the industry had (if only because decent money was on the line if a title or series flopped) was blown away to basically nothing.

Ofecks posted:

I'm not much of an anime nerd but I liked the Love Hina series. I got fansubs off Kazaa in 2002-03ish. Using dial-up. Took forever and the vids were 512x320 or something tiny. Pretty sure there were dvds available though, and the person I was living with bought some of the manga, which I read.

Ah yeah, taking me back Kazaa and Direct Connect and all that good stuff. Did you also get the handful of dubbed Ranma episodes floating around? Quality was probably 320x240 or 352x240 for everything back then, though on the 14" to 17" CRT monitors of the era (typically running anywhere from 640x480 to 1024x768 resolution) it wasn't so glaringly awful.

My fondest memory of early anime piracy is when my brother exploited the poo poo networking security of Windows 98 to bypass the ratio system on a Hotline server, by basically mapping the remote share drive to his local system and using a QBASIC program he wrote to transfer all of Evangelion (without, in turn, having to actually upload anything for download credit).

It still took forever, even over the DSL line was had. The FTP-based piracy back then really did suck, because getting
download credit was often contingent on uploading something the server op didn't have. So if you didn't have much or anything decent, tough poo poo. I get the idea behind it, but when you have slow DSL (or dial-up), it only created incentives to game the system. No honor among thieves, man.

Kthulhu5000 fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Sep 27, 2017

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
Well it's hardly like all our garbage local TV and movies have curation on them. :colbert:

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free
Late 90s anime is tightly knit with retrogaming in my mind. Trips to Blockbuster to rent one-off hilariously violent OVAs, and maybe grab an SNES game or two for the weekend too.

And eye that black plastic case at the front with the Genesis in it...

I also remember the weekend I spent housesitting with my parents at a friend of theirs' really, really, really nice home. I was playing Sonic and Knuckles on their Genesis, on their big old console TV in their rec room. Later I decided to finally watch the first Ranma cinematic movie, which I had just received on a heavily re-used VHS tape, and I was terrified of my parents walking in at any time considering how often we saw girl-Ranma's boobs. Lots of awkward pausing when I'd hear footsteps. :sweatdrop:

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Kthulhu5000 posted:

I agree with this, though. I imagine the transition to DVD and its advantages (better picture, but also cheaper to manufacture and able to do stuff like hold multiple audio tracks and have options for subtitles) led to that saturation you mention. Whatever threadbare curation the industry had (if only because decent money was on the line if a title or series flopped) was blown away to basically nothing.

Anime on DVD at the very start of the format was enormously weird. If memory serves a North American ADV films DVD was the first Anime DVD in the world (it definitely was in NA at least). That masterpiece that was so deserving of the honor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzT36mta-h0

Licensing for subbed versions was also enormously complicated in those days, and what really helped out nicely was the fact that DVD's were region-coded and Japan was more or less its own region code (Region 2 like Europe, but NTSC picture format unlike Europe, at a time when that meant poo poo wouldn't work). Before then there was a hacky way to put English and Japanese audio onto a Laserdisc and then have "optional" subs via Closed Captions, but then the region-free LD format would mean American copies could be imported into Japan and maybe Japanese people wouldn't spend $90 on a single 30-minute episode of something and wouldn't that be a horrible thing to happen, so some Laserdiscs had to be made in an either/or fashion, or do things like have the dub on one side of the LD and the (burned-in) sub on the other side.

Now things have weirdly gone in the other direction; because Blu-rays in Japan have the same region code as Blu-rays in North America there is the odd thing where the NA version is dub-only or otherwise hamstrung (although I think there are sometimes other reasons preventing a US release, region locked or not).

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off
I was one of the dweebs that got into anime during that early 2000s wave (hello Inuyasha!) and eventually grew out of it midway through college (no time to watch and I got sick of all the 700 episode shonen fight series that dropped at once during that time). I watched some stuff on DVD but they were so expensive that I usually watched what ever my friend downloaded off of Kazaa or Limewire. Nowadays I'll still look up an old series or two to see what I missed by not being there in the 90s but my otaku days are long over.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Ofecks posted:

I'm not much of an anime nerd but I liked the Love Hina series. I got fansubs off Kazaa in 2002-03ish. Using dial-up. Took forever and the vids were 512x320 or something tiny. Pretty sure there were dvds available though, and the person I was living with bought some of the manga, which I read.
Ok weird, but I just some nostalgia idleness (and realized my anime collection is lame) and ordered the series (minus the special holiday OVAs) last week. No blus, but DVD is fine right?

I have become crazy spoiled by HD quality anime, even if it's something like Ranma 1/2 or Sailor Moon. The video quality looks atrocious, and the DVDs have the most cringy "Please don't judge me by what's printed on the top of this disc" thing going on with characters clutching too-small towels to cover up. It doesn't help that the first dvd had to be loving Shinobu, too.

Anyway, my buddy had the series on download in 2001 and aside from being entertained at watching an anime on my computer from digital files, I remember the DancinHomer encodes being the worst piles of poo poo ever. Blocky, jerky poo poo. Realmedia probably would have been a more watchable codec.
Kind of wish I still had the disc he lent me. Would be fun to watch 2000s era digital files. Maybe they'd even be bigger than a postage stamp

Kthulhu5000 posted:

Whatever threadbare curation the industry had (if only because decent money was on the line if a title or series flopped) was blown away to basically nothing.
I remember my "this is unsustainable" moment came when I was checking the anime aisle of Best Buy and there was a super special collector's edition of (whatever the gently caress) that had a pair of panties as the collectible. Not a shirt or artbook or anything.

FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Sep 27, 2017

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

Drone posted:

What's the "shortest" of the big 16-bit RPGs?

Background is that I've got a weeklong business trip coming up soon, and I'm gonna be bored out of my gourd in the evenings in my hotel room. I'd like to sink my teeth into something that's completable in around 15ish hours of play, if something like that even exists. Not looking for something massive like FF6, but something smaller and easily digestible.

Forgot to suggest FF4. I recently did a solo Cecil playthrough on hardtype in order to re-write a guide that I misplaced a while ago, and it only took 14 hours. That includes several spots of grinding/item farming. I think regular playthroughs will be less than 15, even if you do all the optional stuff (most of which I skipped in the solo run).

Kthulhu5000 posted:

Ah yeah, taking me back Kazaa and Direct Connect and all that good stuff. Did you also get the handful of dubbed Ranma episodes floating around?

No, I've never seen the series. Like I said, I'm not really big into anime. The list of stuff I've seen in my lifetime (that I can remember) is rather short. In chronological order:

- Belle & Sebastian
- Voltron
- Transformers
- Adventures of the Little Koala
- Noozles (what was with Nickelodeon and their Australian-themed anime?)
- Ronin Warriors (loved this one)
- Some sci-fi drama that I've spent literal decades trying to remember the name of
- Sailor Moon (partially)
- Some one-off movies rented from video stores/brought over by friends/on Sci-Fi channel at 2am (Vampire Hunter D, Ninja Scroll, Gall Force, etc.)
- Love Hina
- Princess Mononoke
- Azumanga Daioh
- Magica Modelka?
- That one on Netflix about the young piano players

FilthyImp posted:

Kind of wish I still had the disc he lent me. Would be fun to watch 2000s era digital files. Maybe they'd even be bigger than a postage stamp

You just reminded me that I burned all of those onto CDR and I still have them in a CD case in my laptop bag (which I haven't used in years). I might pull them out later and see if they still work.

Ofecks fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Sep 27, 2017

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy
I had a bootleg tape of Rayearth back in the days where that was a thing to do still. I could tell a lot of stupid boring late 90s otaku stories. I'll spare you :v:

ask me about my ani-mayhem collection etc

edit: I could never understand how people were watching love hina or similar "grounded" harem shows when like, Tenchi is right there man it's got anime girls AND robots and spaceships and lightsabers it's clearly the superior choice

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Light Gun Man posted:

edit: I could never understand how people were watching love hina or similar "grounded" harem shows when like, Tenchi is right there man it's got anime girls AND robots and spaceships and lightsabers it's clearly the superior choice
Tenchi switched up every 12th episode or someshit. Oh cool he released Ryoko from her prison accidentally and now this demon is haunting him because reasons. Wait what? She's actually an outerspace pirate? And Tenchi is the heir to Jurai? His lightsaber channels extradimensional energy and is a shard from the original Treeship? He can use the Light Hawk Wings when he has his sword? What? How many episodes did I miss?!

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy

FilthyImp posted:

Tenchi switched up every 12th episode or someshit. Oh cool he released Ryoko from her prison accidentally and now this demon is haunting him because reasons. Wait what? She's actually an outerspace pirate? And Tenchi is the heir to Jurai? His lightsaber channels extradimensional energy and is a shard from the original Treeship? He can use the Light Hawk Wings when he has his sword? What? How many episodes did I miss?!

Most of this like, kinda makes sense if you watch enough. The rest is explained by "lol there are multiple series that are like parallel retellings with differences, for some reason?"

If you watch any kind of harem show as an adult the main complaint just quickly becomes "why doesn't he just gently caress someone already god drat"

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.
My parents recently gave me a plastic bin of my crap they found in our old basement and it definitely included a homemade burned disc of a bunch of Kodomo no Omocha episodes in .rm (that's Real Media's extension kids) :toot: It's sitting in the back of my car.

Tree Dude
May 26, 2012

AND MY SONG IS...
Is GDemu the best way to load up a Dreamcast with games?

Tree Dude fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Sep 27, 2017

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off

Light Gun Man posted:

edit: I could never understand how people were watching love hina or similar "grounded" harem shows when like, Tenchi is right there man it's got anime girls AND robots and spaceships and lightsabers it's clearly the superior choice

What about steam powered robot armor instead? Aka the only harem type series I have ever really liked. Goddamn, I wish the first four games were in English, and that the English manga didn't get canceled, and the movie didn't suck ect ect. The tv show and ova's were okay though.

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

fishmech posted:

Well it's hardly like all our garbage local TV and movies have curation on them. :colbert:

The word I was thinking of, but that didn't come to mind at the time, was "figleaf". Barely there to begin with (see my point about the fandom and distribution industry essentially using Ghibli stuff and the like as a cover for all the bang bang boom boom titty bounce pantyshot stuff), and then it was "Adios!" to that once they saw a cash grab bonanza on the horizon.

Code Jockey posted:

Late 90s anime is tightly knit with retrogaming in my mind. Trips to Blockbuster to rent one-off hilariously violent OVAs, and maybe grab an SNES game or two for the weekend too.

Yeah, I remember seeing the boxes for Akira, Gunbuster, and Dangaioh at the small independent video store in my town, which also happened to have a wall on which one third of it was covered in their Genesis rental selection. Which was pretty drat impressive for a young me to see, so the two got some conflation in my mind as one big, exciting, potentially radical thing. Also, the "weird kid" friend I had in my neighborhood at the time claimed that his uncle rented those anime titles and let him see them, and what he described sounded like exotic urban legend stuff at the time.

univbee posted:


***DVD release stuff***


Interesting, thanks for the information! I know that anime DVDs could be ridiculously expensive, so far as collections for TV series went. I recall that some complete spruced up DVD release of the Evangelion TV series was somewhere in the range of $800 to $1000, back in the early 2000s?

Turbinosamente posted:

I was one of the dweebs that got into anime during that early 2000s wave (hello Inuyasha!) and eventually grew out of it midway through college (no time to watch and I got sick of all the 700 episode shonen fight series that dropped at once during that time). I watched some stuff on DVD but they were so expensive that I usually watched what ever my friend downloaded off of Kazaa or Limewire. Nowadays I'll still look up an old series or two to see what I missed by not being there in the 90s but my otaku days are long over.

Pretty much my experience.

FilthyImp posted:

I remember my "this is unsustainable" moment came when I was checking the anime aisle of Best Buy and there was a super special collector's edition of (whatever the gently caress) that had a pair of panties as the collectible. Not a shirt or artbook or anything.

Also more or less my experience, plus the tired thematic repetition of "tweens in school find out they have superpowers called (insert random English word or acronym) to fight aliens/demons with" began to wear on me when I was trying to find new and interesting stuff. The perverse stuff was already turning me off because it became so prominent and tarring on the fandom, but I think the creative bankruptcy is what hammered in my final nail.

Caitlin posted:

My parents recently gave me a plastic bin of my crap they found in our old basement and it definitely included a homemade burned disc of a bunch of Kodomo no Omocha episodes in .rm (that's Real Media's extension kids) :toot: It's sitting in the back of my car.

Is there any other cool stuff in it?

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Kthulhu5000 posted:

I recall that some complete spruced up DVD release of the Evangelion TV series was somewhere in the range of $800 to $1000, back in the early 2000s?
There was a Platinum Edition (i think) set that gave the entire series an overhaul and was contained in an Orange LCL-looking case that went for loving ridiculous prices.
But Eva stuff in general is damned costly.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
The english dub of "Ghost Stories" was the peak moment of the 2000's anime boom in the US. The producers in Japan who made the series knew it was crap. The company buying the distribution rights to the series knew it was crap but had to buy it to get some other series they wanted, so they just told the voice actors "do whatever you want with this," stuck it on a DVD and shipped it.

Also the best Sailor Moon game is The 3D Adventures of Sailor Moon.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Ghost Stories is awesome. Some of the funniest con moments i remember is watching that at AX.

As was the weird forgettable card game dub for Adult Swim.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




FilthyImp posted:

There was a Platinum Edition (i think) set that gave the entire series an overhaul and was contained in an Orange LCL-looking case that went for loving ridiculous prices.
But Eva stuff in general is damned costly.

I think North American prices stayed mostly grounded but in Japan some series have completely bonkers prices. "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" is like 100-ish episodes and getting the full set of episodes in Japan is $2000. Even western stuff isn't any better, when I lived in Japan (2005-2008) a single season of 24 was $250.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Phantasium posted:

Most old RPGs are actually shorter than you remember them.

I know I've done a playthrough of Chrono Trigger in about 12 hours.

Yeah but RPGs take like 1/5th the time when you've beaten them before and at least vaguely remember where you're supposed to go next.

So much of those games is just loving around either being lost or exploring every nook and cranny for stuff.

After you've beaten it you don't get lost very easily, you don't care as much about reading every little hidden detail, and you know where there's good poo poo and where there isn't so you don't need to find every single potion or whatever.

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy

Instant Sunrise posted:

Also the best Sailor Moon game is The 3D Adventures of Sailor Moon.

This thing is so fuckin weird. It's like someone got the license and was thinking "well multi-media is the hot new thing" but had no idea what to do with either.

FireMrshlBill
Aug 13, 2006

LEMME SHOW YOU SOMETHING!!!
I'll jump in on the Anime talk....

1) Was there ever an English translation to the N64 Evangelion game? I remember a kid in school somehow imported it and fumbled his way through it but couldn't get past one part near the end. Also, was it any good?

2) Are any of the Fullmetal Alchemist games any good... besides Spirit Tracks?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Light Gun Man posted:

This thing is so fuckin weird. It's like someone got the license and was thinking "well multi-media is the hot new thing" but had no idea what to do with either.

This, but holding the whole rendering package:

Only registered members can see post attachments!

absolutely anything
Dec 28, 2006

~As for dreams, she has enough and more to spare~
i will also jump in on the anime talk, by saying: "space adventure cobra owns but all of the games are bad except for that one arcade only release that's literally just a time crisis game except you're cobra that i desperately want to play"

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off

Kthulhu5000 posted:


Interesting, thanks for the information! I know that anime DVDs could be ridiculously expensive, so far as collections for TV series went. I recall that some complete spruced up DVD release of the Evangelion TV series was somewhere in the range of $800 to $1000, back in the early 2000s?

Hi, I paid $80 for Excel Saga back when that was considered cheap as hell for any full DVD box set anime or not. Nowadays I bet you could get it in mint condition for $20 if you shopped around some. I still have it because nostalgia, it was so awesome and wacky and random and funny back in the day! No idea if it still holds up, I'm betting no.

Speaking of anime games I was glad when Did you Know Gaming's side series on region specific games covered the Cowboy Bebop ones. It's nice to know we didn't miss much with them.

Edit: Re: anime arcade games, I wanna play that Golgo 13 arcade shooting game sometime. I should emulate it.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
Man, I remember when my only access to anime was what was airing on Toonami and information about it was what little I could gleam from fansites and shrines in 1998 and 1999. We knew that there was more out there, but easy access to cable Internet didn't reach my shithole town in Wyoming until 2003, so pirating anything more than music was a drag. Though my parents had the foresight to get a second land line that we used exclusively for dial-up Internet, so I could find an FTP server on GamingForce and pirate video game music with an FTP client over night or when I was at school. I think it took me like a week to get both discs of the Brave Fencer Musashi soundtrack downloaded.

edit: I wonder just how over our heads things would have been if the network and cable TV rules with violence, sex, and drugs weren't in place in the eighties and nineties and translations and adaptations of anime had been played straight. Things like Makoto saying that she should be Snow White in the play because she's got bigger boobs instead of DiC changing the line to her qualifications being that she's got the most talent. We accidentally got a funnier line in the transition, but things like an old man having a nose bleed when he reads a porn magazine would have made absolutely no sense.

Star Man fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Sep 28, 2017

Kid Fenris
Jan 22, 2004

If someone is reading this...
I must have failed.

univbee posted:

Anime on DVD at the very start of the format was enormously weird. If memory serves a North American ADV films DVD was the first Anime DVD in the world (it definitely was in NA at least). That masterpiece that was so deserving of the honor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzT36mta-h0


Close, but the first anime DVD in America was a different crappy fighting game film: Art of Fighting.

Thanks for reminding me of Tekken: The Motion Picture. I actually won a copy from Gamers Republic back in the day. I never saw the issue with my name in it, though, and tracking it down would involve paying dumb eBay prices.

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah but RPGs take like 1/5th the time when you've beaten them before and at least vaguely remember where you're supposed to go next.

So much of those games is just loving around either being lost or exploring every nook and cranny for stuff.

After you've beaten it you don't get lost very easily, you don't care as much about reading every little hidden detail, and you know where there's good poo poo and where there isn't so you don't need to find every single potion or whatever.

I'm not even talking about skill with a specific game, obviously if you know where to go and what to do any game is shorter, but as far as getting lost goes, I feel like a lot of that is because as kids we were idiots and would not pick up on stuff in dialog or otherwise obvious hints that would save wandering, and if you've even remotely kept up with RPGs you tend to just be better at them because you have better critical thinking skills to come up with strategies (or hell, even if you haven't kept up with any).

It's not just the games I've played before that I've gone back to and aced, it's also other RPGs from that era that I never got around to that I'm blazing through. That Chrono Trigger time I posted may be an outlier but there's not many game from that era that take too much longer than 25 hours and it isn't really until you get to some later PS1 and PS2 stuff where devs are going dumb about making their games 80 hours long.

Like for the comparison to Star Ocean, I've only played through the first three once, and only the PSP versions for the first two. The first game was about 10 hours like I mentioned before, SO2 took me about 24 or so, but then SO3 I distinctly remember being an 80 hour slog. I tried SO2 on the PS1 back when it came out but somehow completely missed the skill system so I didn't make it very far and kept dying to everything and I can't help but think that that's entirely because I was a dumb little kid.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.
25 hours is a long time though, you're poopsocking if you finish that in like 2-3 sessions.

xamphear
Apr 9, 2002

SILK FOR CALDÉ!

Zaphod42 posted:

25 hours is a long time though, you're poopsocking if you finish that in like 2-3 sessions.
If you can't go 8 hours without pooping, you really gotta cut down on how much you eat.

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

Zaphod42 posted:

25 hours is a long time though, you're poopsocking if you finish that in like 2-3 sessions.

Sure, but all I'm saying is that I hear a ton of people conflate old RPG times with the new stuff like Persona that can take like 100 hours. Old RPGs are still generally simpler and shorter than a lot of modern stuff.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

xamphear posted:

If you can't go 8 hours without pooping, you really gotta cut down on how much you eat.

Its a turn of phrase. :v:

Phantasium posted:

Sure, but all I'm saying is that I hear a ton of people conflate old RPG times with the new stuff like Persona that can take like 100 hours. Old RPGs are still generally simpler and shorter than a lot of modern stuff.

Yeah that's a fair point. It was just when NES games could usually be beaten in one sitting, a game being 20+ hours was a huuuuuuge deal.

These days there's so much game content out there most of us prefer games that don't drag themselves out. Its a different environment.

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Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



FireMrshlBill posted:

2) Are any of the Fullmetal Alchemist games any good... besides Spirit Tracks?

Excuse me, Spirit Tracks isn't any good either.

Also, you're all giant nerds! NERDS!
(quietly buries boxes of anime DVDs in the backyard.)

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