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Chilichimp posted:Conservatives are fuckin' morons. I agree, nationalize the NFL. I mean it's right there in the name anyway. 
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A lovely Reporter posted:He used the mod connections he had to get it wiped from the archives. Groverhaus is a forums treasure, i can't believe they did that.  
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Sep 27, 2017 20:39
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Many African nations are members of a similar organization that polices elections and attempts to prevent genocide (forget the name right now). They recently removed a president due to vote tampering. The African Union is probably what you're thinking of. Jaxyon posted:UN is essentially an extention of US hegemony, which is why I laugh when people on facebook are getting upset about "that drat UN telling us what to do". Also when the president does it, because he's naive on the level of angry FB conservatives. You could argue that it suited Soviet interests very well up until the collapse.
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The UN's aid organisations are stellar. It's also very helpful as a forum for world discussion between serious antagonists. If Iran and Iraq had another war, they wouldn't send an ambassador to the enemy capital to talk, but they'd still have delegations in the UN who could talk.
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Sep 27, 2017 20:45
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Gort posted:The UN's aid organisations are stellar. It's also very helpful as a forum for world discussion between serious antagonists. If Iran and Iraq had another war, they wouldn't send an ambassador to the enemy capital to talk, but they'd still have delegations in the UN who could talk. Sure but that's not what idiot conservatives talk about.
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Taerkar posted:Oh, I didn't mean the hilarious Groverhaus thread, I meant the "Iraq War II predictions" thread where that above quote was from. Here's the thread the Iraq War prediction came from: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=438591 If you look at all the posts there, people vastly underestimated how long the occupation was going to last.
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Sep 27, 2017 21:06
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So many old names I remember. Oh man, VoR.
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Sep 27, 2017 21:11
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ah, memories back when people could genuinely convince themselves a US military occupation would end well
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Sep 27, 2017 21:16
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Instant Sunrise posted:Here's the thread the Iraq War prediction came from: lmao someone bingos the civilian causality numbers and everyone calls him an absolute loon
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Sep 27, 2017 21:24
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Jaxyon posted:Sure but halving the military budget would but soldiers and Def industry employees out of jobs so you'd increase the number of poor people. And it would be spread out geographically all across the country. It's not as simple as that. This is money that is going out of the regular economy into producing things that don't improve the lives of ordinary Americans. It's not as though "jobs" is some fixed number, and by cutting the military budget that number of jobs is irrevocably diminished. Most soldiers have private sector counterpart professions. Total military employment is about 2 million people (I don't know the amount for the larger defense industry, though). The overall US economy would be doing much better if we put the money we spend on military towards our own domestic economy more efficiently. Whatever number among that two million who lose jobs would very quickly find new employment, I wager.
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Boon posted:An entrepreneur rarely has the resources, but that's a minor quibble at best. What an entrepreneur does have is an insight into an unmet need in the market, what you would consider 'what most people want'. If they did not there would not be a market and the venture would fail. One thing I would keep in mind is that you seem to be assuming "what people want/need" has some "actual/real" answer, rather than being something that can be freely manipulated by marketing and other forces. Broadly speaking, your argument reminds me of arguments in favor of the efficient market hypothesis; it relies on assumptions that aren't true in reality and ends up being very wrong as a result. This isn't to say that entrepreneurship isn't useful or anything; just that I think your specific argument has some problems.
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Taerkar posted:How long will it take to capture Baghdad? 1 week, if it's even necessary That thread is an interesting time capsule on prewar attitudes towards invading Iraq and how loving delusional most people were about what invading and occupying Iraq would entail after the cakewalk that was the 1991 Gulf War. Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Sep 27, 2017 21:36
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Yeah, I know I didn't expect the occupation to be handled in such a horribly incompetent way at the time. I'm pretty sure that the numbers I put up there for casualties were in regards to the initial invasion, not the 'Spontaneous Democracy' period that was supposed to happen afterwards. Still was closer than a number of the people in that thread, but... yeah...
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https://twitter.com/RichardRubinDC/status/913131169465683968 Just the way I like it. Simple winners and losers list. Winners: Rich People Business Men Deal Makers TRUMP Losers: A bunch of low energy losers! Who cares? SAD! JEB!
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Yes, the US track record has been pretty poor. This isn't always a given, however. The US track record is a necessary factor to consider when discussing US intervention. Our current military and its leaders, etc are part of the tools we have to work with, so the fact that a successful intervention might be possible with different tools is irrelevant to the topic of whether to intervene with the tools we have now (and will continue to have for the foreseeable future). At the very least, the "null hypothesis," so to speak, should be that intervention is a bad idea. There should be a strong burden on the people arguing in favor of intervention to prove as much as possible that it won't have a net harmful result, and the mere possibility of a hypothetical ideal intervention that might actually work doesn't accomplish this. The ideal way to deal with this is through the UN. There are problems with this that I think you mentioned in another post, but it's probably the best way to ensure that the bias of the US military isn't guiding the decision (though obviously even that isn't guaranteed).
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Ytlaya posted:One thing I would keep in mind is that you seem to be assuming "what people want/need" has some "actual/real" answer, rather than being something that can be freely manipulated by marketing and other forces. Broadly speaking, your argument reminds me of arguments in favor of the efficient market hypothesis; it relies on assumptions that aren't true in reality and ends up being very wrong as a result. Also, it really doesn't answer the why we need to rely on entrepreneurs to answer "want/needs" we know people already want: education, healthcare, utilities, and housing. I could see why the state may stumble on certain issues like fashion or luxury foods, but it isn't an answer to providing basic needs.
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Sep 27, 2017 21:54
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Instant Sunrise posted:Here's the thread the Iraq War prediction came from: quote:HAPPY WAR DAY EVERYBODY! Turned into 200,000 - 1,000,000! I hope that someday justice catches up to the scum that perpetrated that loving catastrophe, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Ytlaya posted:The US track record is a necessary factor to consider when discussing US intervention. Our current military and its leaders, etc are part of the tools we have to work with, so the fact that a successful intervention might be possible with different tools is irrelevant to the topic of whether to intervene with the tools we have now (and will continue to have for the foreseeable future). I'm pretty sure that the only silver lining of the Iraq war is that very few people are willing to take US assurances about cakewalks in the ME without a certain level of cynicism, especially because no one can claim that Iran/Syria/whatever will welcome us with open arms.
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Sep 27, 2017 22:08
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California is going early for the 2020 primary https://twitter.com/johnmyers/status/913141998063726592
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Rigel posted:California is going early for the 2020 primary Good news for Kamala.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Turned into 200,000 - 1,000,000! If we hold people accountable for failures, then they won't be willing to take risks in the future!
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Sep 27, 2017 22:48
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tbf, back in 2003 i was also unironically optimistic about the war... ... fantasizing that saddam would kick american rear end somehow and end bush i vaguely remember being disappointed when it turned out there was no secret iraqi secret plan steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Sep 27, 2017 22:51
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duz posted:If we hold people accountable for failures, then they won't be willing to take risks in the future! It'll be particularly hard for them to take risks given that they should all be buried in shallow graves.
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duz posted:If we hold people accountable for failures, then they won't be willing to take risks in the future! Wow. Flashing back to the subprime mortgage crash of 2008 right now. "If you don't give bonuses, nobody qualified will want to work there!"
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Spun Dog posted:Wow. Flashing back to the subprime mortgage crash of 2008 right now. It's pretty much the stock excuse for not punishing rear end in a top hat behaviour.
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https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/913099528869310464 I love living in a failing state.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:I'm pretty sure that the only silver lining of the Iraq war is that very few people are willing to take US assurances about cakewalks in the ME without a certain level of cynicism, especially because no one can claim that Iran/Syria/whatever will welcome us with open arms. lol no. remember how quickly the war machine spun up when trump bombed that empty airstrip outside homs?
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The Muppets On PCP posted:lol no. remember how quickly the war machine spun up when trump bombed that empty airstrip outside homs? It felt like one of America's old limbs waking up again a terrible, hordible, no good very bad limb
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Sep 28, 2017 00:56
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The Muppets On PCP posted:lol no. remember how quickly the war machine spun up when trump bombed that empty airstrip outside homs? I remember a bunch of people getting pissed off even from his own mainstay dumbasses?
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The Muppets On PCP posted:lol no. remember how quickly the war machine spun up when trump bombed that empty airstrip outside homs? I'm genuinely unsure why that hasn't happened again. And again, and again. It just seemed like an extremely Trumpy thing to do and when it happened I was sure it would keep happening.
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Sep 28, 2017 01:05
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The Democratic Party should campaign on regulating the cable/dish industry.
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Yardbomb posted:I remember a bunch of people getting pissed off even from his own mainstay dumbasses? A liberal with selective memory, color me shocked.
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bird food bathtub posted:I'm genuinely unsure why that hasn't happened again. And again, and again. It just seemed like an extremely Trumpy thing to do and when it happened I was sure it would keep happening. https://twitter.com/CJTFOIR/status/913067071751229440 https://twitter.com/CJTFOIR/status/912674449845080064 https://twitter.com/CJTFOIR/status/912346477162319874 https://twitter.com/CJTFOIR/status/911583431590580224 https://twitter.com/OIRSpox/status/911289356605968384 https://twitter.com/CJTFOIR/status/911229941462831104 https://twitter.com/OIRSpox/status/909827824781012997 https://twitter.com/OIRSpox/status/909828762497363968 https://twitter.com/OIRSpox/status/909639926546825216 The US backed SDF has eaten most of Raqqa and is moving on the Deir Ez Zor area, but Reuters is one of the only places that reports on it. US cable news? Not a loving peep. Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Nation building requires Marshall Plan level of planning and resource usage. This is correct, and if someone were seriously proposing drafting 4 million men and women into the US military, instituting rationing and raising the top tax rate to 90% in order to fund and supply and massive Marshall-plan level effort to rebuild the Middle East then that might be an interesting and worthwhile discussion. Instead it's just the same old half-rear end bullshit from the same idiots who just want to bomb the children to save the children, and oops it didn't work again, well that just goes to show we didn't bomb hard enough, hippies. But realistically that discussion would only be hot air, because no one in American politics would ever seriously propose something like that. Neocons would never do it because all they care about is turning the Middle East into ash and corpses so they can loot the wealth. The far right would never do it because they think foreigners (and most Americans) are all subhuman anyway so why spend money on them. Democrats would never do it because it would be bad for short-term corporate profits plus they'd wither under attacks from Republicans that they're sending all our money to bad scary others. The far left isn't interested even if leftists getting control of the US government weren't a pipe dream. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Saladin Rising posted:It's still happening, it's just that news isn't jizzing themselves about fighting in the middle east anymore. Here's a peek at the past two weeks: The media are like those porn addicts that need their videos to be increasingly kinkier and more hardcore.
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Suck my dick with the disingenuous "HURRRRR LIBRUL" poo poo, I'm a leftist, obviously the news is gonna kiss his rear end because almost every big news outlet is desperate to win the race to THE DAY CHEETOMAN BECAME PRESIDENT, but even t_d was going ape over him bombing the nothing airstrip.
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Instant Sunrise posted:Here's the thread the Iraq War prediction came from: I am so glad my old account doesn't show up in there anywhere.
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Take the bad posts here. Good posts only in this thread, from now on. This is actually a good post, not bad, and I haven't signed it. Cheers.
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The Muppets On PCP posted:lol no. remember how quickly the war machine spun up when trump bombed that empty airstrip outside homs? Brian Williams and his missile-based erection aside, I wouldn't say there were as many people on board with that action. Yes, some members of the "MSM" went into "now he's presidential and we're all cumming at the same time" mode, but most people didn't see it as anything but some opportunistic nonsense (aside from Trump supporters themselves, but they'll support whatever he does) and it was quickly derided. My only reservation is that the Iraq war was cynically positioned on the heels of 9/11. If a similar event were to happen on US soil again, I'm not sure how well the public would be able to resist the temptation to dive into jingoism. (Is this a good post? I can't tell.)
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I remember when they tried to destroy the USPol thread. Now there's like, 3 or 4 of them. We're indefatigable friends.
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