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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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To an uninformed outside observer, deliberate tanking is indistinguishable from a rebuilding team that is playing all their young guys. It's not really an easy to create rules that identifies and fixes the problem
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Sep 28, 2017 21:51
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Punkin Spunkin posted:it feels like the whole tanking controversy was hot take sports dad territory anyway, can't believe they actually changed poo poo cuz of that silliness. It was an agent and ESPN-driven narrative that was amazingly specious and ignorant.
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Sep 28, 2017 21:54
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Carlosologist posted:am I crazy in thinking that Blake Griffin is actually kind of underrated at this point? my buddy said he was like a proto-Jokic and I found myself largely agreeing He is really good but I think people are underrating Chris Paul more this offseason. Paul is the best Clipper of all time and he was replaced by a defensive specialist point guard. I'm betting he helped make Rivers look like a better coach. It's true they also got Galinari but his constant injury problems make me think it might not be a great trade off for losing Redick
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Sep 28, 2017 22:09
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Carlosologist posted:I'm not sure I like this draft reform. I guess teams aren't incentivized to tank anymore but doesn't this make it harder for a bad small market team to get a top talent? The top talent will just leave for a big market team anyway so it doesn't matter
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Sep 28, 2017 22:10
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Lessail posted:The top talent will just leave for a big market team anyway so it doesn't matter titanic markets like Cleveland and San Antonio and Oklahoma
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Sep 28, 2017 22:16
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Lessail posted:The top talent will just leave for a big market team anyway so it doesn't matter eat arby's
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Sep 28, 2017 22:16
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Time posted:titanic markets like Cleveland and San Antonio and Oklahoma Notable big free San Antonio signings of the past decade or so: LaMarcus Aldridge Richard Jefferson
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Sep 28, 2017 22:26
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xbilkis posted:It seems like the new odds will also broaden the scope of tanking, too. Before, when you were the 10th worst team, there's no real reason to put in a lot of effort to move up two picks unless some protection scenarios gave you an incentive to do so, because moving up in the lottery is still a long-shot. Yeah I agree, I think this will increase the number of teams that are tanking, not decreasing. isme posted:I am fine with the lottery reforms because watching your team purposely tanking is not fun. Bad teams should get chance to get better via draft, but they should also be better in making smarter basketball decisions and not rely on draft as a hail mary for their lovely decisions. With the way free agency is now it's extremly hard to win a title for most teams through any other way than the draft, and nothing's changed about that so good luck being a fan of a bad team. If anything this is going to encourage player movement to big markets because there will be a lot more "stranded superstars" whose teams never get the quality components to make the jump up to being good. WhyteRyce posted:To an uninformed outside observer, deliberate tanking is indistinguishable from a rebuilding team that is playing all their young guys. It's not really an easy to create rules that identifies and fixes the problem And this is exactly right. Like yes, the Lakers very blatantly finished last season tanking hard. But even if they had been playing their best, what would the difference be? One or two wins?
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Sep 28, 2017 22:28
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Spacebump posted:Notable big free San Antonio signings of the past decade or so: He's asserting they should have lost their talent, which they didn't
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Sep 28, 2017 22:31
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Rick posted:Yeah I agree, I think this will increase the number of teams that are tanking, not decreasing. https://twitter.com/dmorey/status/913486216514777088 https://twitter.com/DerekBodnerNBA/status/913488000671191042
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Sep 28, 2017 22:34
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Time posted:titanic markets like Cleveland and San Antonio and Oklahoma how can you even bring up that third one
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Sep 28, 2017 22:51
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Lessail posted:how can you even bring up that third one They have managed to field a top 5 team for the better part of a decade and market size was not a factor? Being well run matters way more than market size otherwise the Knicks and nets would have been powerhouses
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Sep 28, 2017 22:57
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Time posted:They have managed to field a top 5 team for the better part of a decade and market size was not a factor? And they still had their number one player leave
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Sep 28, 2017 22:59
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xbilkis posted:https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/913495658245607424 Forever remember okc said no to this poo poo
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Sep 28, 2017 22:59
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Lessail posted:And they still had their number one player leave Russ is still here
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Sep 28, 2017 23:01
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Taking Hinkie out AND doing this is really some insult + injury poo poo with Silver. Like do one or the other motherfucker Hinkie will rise again
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Sep 28, 2017 23:11
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Tanking is a problem for the owners because it creates bad basketball. Bad basketball leads to lower tickets sales and ratings, which means less money for the NBA. I don't really care either way because Pat Riley hates draft picks. Edit: The draft in any incarnation is stupid. Just let rookies be free agents and sign where they want to play.
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Sep 28, 2017 23:16
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Ooh im sure you'd love that Miami Guy 
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Sep 28, 2017 23:23
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This change is dumb and I don't like it. Bad teams are still gonna be awful and tanking will still be the most effective way to get better.
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Sep 28, 2017 23:26
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WhyteRyce posted:To an uninformed outside observer, deliberate tanking is indistinguishable from a rebuilding team that is playing all their young guys. It's not really an easy to create rules that identifies and fixes the problem What I like about this system is that is that it obviates the issue of a team really stripping themselves to trash (The Sabres in hockey are probably the most extreme reecent example. I dunno just how close the Sixers got to that) without punishing teams that naturally bottom out from being in that stage where they're selling players and playing young guys. It lets bad teams just be bad, without that extra pressure to just be total rear end.
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Sep 28, 2017 23:32
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leftist heap posted:This change is dumb and I don't like it. Bad teams are still gonna be awful and tanking will still be the most effective way to get better. Yeah. the question is now no longer "will a team on pace for 30 wins tank and only win 20 games", but "will a team fighting for the 8th spot in the playoffs take their foot off the gas and just accept a 20% chance of getting a top 5 pick rather than get swept by the Warriors,"
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Sep 28, 2017 23:35
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tweeking the odds isn't the worst thing in the world compared to some other suggestions. I'd actually be open to the entire lottery positioning to be determined by lottery balls, not just the first 3 picks.
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Sep 28, 2017 23:47
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I love this: Bradley Beal on the  under the table allegations."At the end of the day, I went to a program where Coach [Billy Donovan] didn't guarantee my anything. He didn't guarantee I was going to start or that I was going to play. That was something that I respected. Coming out of college, I was actually about to go back to college. I decided to come out on the last deadline day. For me, it wasn't like that. It's crazy what today's generation is like. Kids are taking stuff in high school, taking things in college and stuff like that. For me, my story wasn't like that."
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Sep 28, 2017 23:48
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lol. "Kids these days" - a person born in nineteen ninety three
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Sep 28, 2017 23:51
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leftist heap posted:lol. hey, at least you weren't reminded by one of your classes that nobody there was born in the 90s but instead the early 00s  Lots of us are starting to experience those moments where you realize that you're not as young as you think you are Basketball: I agree with the poster above that the draft should be abolished. the top talents should choose to go where they want, and if teams want a top talent they need to actually spend money and get it rather than blow a whole season and maybe fall rear end backwards into a cost-controlled young player
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Sep 28, 2017 23:55
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The draft is good and anyone who argues against it is wrong
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Sep 28, 2017 23:56
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predicto posted:Let me tell you about a fellow named Uwe Blab. sounds like a snitch
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Sep 28, 2017 23:57
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Lessail posted:And they still had their number one player leave they had him for 8 years lol If market size mattered as much as jilted fans wanted it to then SAS would not have been able to retain all their talent for years, the knicks would be good, the lakers wouldn't have had a long (for the lakers) rebuild, the 6ers would be the like 5th best team of all time, and dallas would be able to sign literally any free agent
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Sep 29, 2017 00:07
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leftist heap posted:lol. Last year on this day I was talking with some friends at Taco Bell about 24. When we left, some teenager who left at the same time as us started this conversation: "Hey what show are you guys talking about?" "24" "Oh that's that old show right?" loving kids
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Sep 29, 2017 00:09
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Time posted:they had him for 8 years lol 
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Sep 29, 2017 00:11
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I really did not expect KD leaving OKC to be used as proof that top talent won't leave small market teams
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Sep 29, 2017 00:12
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I'm not really sure KD going to the Warriors has anything to do with market size
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Sep 29, 2017 00:13
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it doesn't, lessail is just constantly a baby. also 8 years with any superstar in this era is impressive, let alone two or even three at times
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Sep 29, 2017 00:16
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Time posted:it doesn't, lessail is just constantly a baby. also 8 years with any superstar in this era is impressive, let alone two or even three at times Why is it impressive Time
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Sep 29, 2017 00:17
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Lessail posted:Why is it impressive Time Because superstars have been congregating on teams, even small market ones. Just not Toronto because the franchise is run like poo poo and it makes you eternally grumpy.
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Sep 29, 2017 00:21
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Brolander posted:sounds like a snitch lol I'm hearing Uwe de Blab to Mack the Knife now
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Sep 29, 2017 00:23
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Time posted:Because superstars have been congregating on teams, even small market ones. Just not Toronto because the franchise is run like poo poo and it makes you eternally grumpy. Most of my complaints have been about KD ruining the NBA and you think this is about my team? Though thanks for proving my point
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Sep 29, 2017 00:24
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The KD situation was a once in a lifetime opportunity, by a team that had a string of luck and good drafting that is goddamn unrivaled. Never again will the Cap jump by what is essentially a goddamn max contract again.
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Sep 29, 2017 00:28
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What exactly is wrong with the tweaking of the draft odds? Less incentive to bottom out, still a good chance for the really bad teams to have a top tier pick, and the flatter odds makes it more likely that a fringe playoff team wins the lottery and then becomes a great team. Those are usually more exciting occurrences than "team that has been lovely for 5 straight years picks another player to squander"
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Sep 29, 2017 00:29
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Dexo posted:The KD situation was a once in a lifetime opportunity, by a team that had a string of luck and good drafting that is goddamn unrivaled. If it's not explicitly written to not happen again, it'll happen again
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Sep 29, 2017 00:30
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