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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
TAOC, not TACC.

But really, Combat Controllers or no-poo poo ATC controllers are easy to find; attach them to a USMC TAOC or a USAF CRC. There's probably actually an in-place answer for this that I've just never seen come up, though.

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Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
loving Marines and their need to have special names for everything. :argh:

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Wingnut Ninja posted:

loving Marines and their need to have special names for everything. :argh:

“Walls? Don’t you mean ‘bulkheads’?”

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Godholio posted:

TAOC, not TACC.

But really, Combat Controllers or no-poo poo ATC controllers are easy to find; attach them to a USMC TAOC or a USAF CRC. There's probably actually an in-place answer for this that I've just never seen come up, though.

The USAF could send a CRG to go establish airfield operations. fake edit: Googled it just now, this is what's happening.

The MACS has MATC capability to do no-poo poo airfield ops air traffic control. Some (most last I checked?) MATC controllers do exchange shifts with the FAA to maintain civilian certifications as well. Now let me tell you about big MACCS vs little MACS...

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

:what:

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

BadOptics posted:

I'm the Mig-29's.

Calling navalised A-10s

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

DesperateDan posted:

Calling navalised A-10s

Close:



Now all they'd need is for those engines to be able to swivel 90 degrees and we'd have the COBRA version.

Also - that's quite clearly a 20mm Vulcan port on the underside of the canopy. BLASPHEMY!

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

DesperateDan posted:

Calling navalised A-10s
Beat me to it.

Do carriers actually use airport tugs? And is the F-22 really that huge compared to the other planes?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Collateral Damage posted:

And is the F-22 really that huge compared to the other planes?

Yes:



The F-22 really is an 'updated F-15C,' even in size, mostly.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Collateral Damage posted:

Do carriers actually use airport tugs?
Answering my own question after some googling: No, they use much smaller tugs, since you're not exactly pulling 747s around on a carrier deck.



e: What are those planes in the background?

Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Sep 28, 2017

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Collateral Damage posted:

Answering my own question after some googling: No, they use much smaller tugs, since you're not exactly pulling 747s around on a carrier deck.



I have an irrational desire to get one of these, fix it up, and drive it around town.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Platystemon posted:

I have an irrational desire to get one of these, fix it up, and drive it around town.

By the time you made it street legal it wouldn't look original. =/

Making it into a hella obnoxious *golf cart*, though? :getin:

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Throatwarbler posted:

There is a carrier variant of the Mig-29, but I can't tell if those are it. I also thought the delta winged ones were Rafaels but I guess they are atually Eurofighters.

The position of the canards gives it away. They're close-coupled on the Rafale, while the Typhoon went for a long lever arm. Long story short, the Typhoon's canards were meant to increase maneuverability once combined with vectored thrust; but the vectored thrust upgrade of the EJ200 was never funded. The Rafale's canards were meant to increase lift (which in turn allows slower landing and take off speeds, an important thing for a carrier aircraft) without blocking the pilot's sight of the deck (also an important thing for a carrier aircraft). Here's an overhead view of Rafale onboard a carrier (along with an E-2 and some SEMs) so you can see the difference.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Canards make it look like a drat starfighter.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Collateral Damage posted:

e: What are those planes in the background?

S-3 Viking, I believe.

Gibfender
Apr 15, 2007

Electricity In Our Homes
A strangely-edited tour of an E4-B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UHjIjNswo

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.
Ah good, the Doomsday plane is fully stocked with bundt cake.

I love the old 747 cockpit with all its dials and knobs and switches. Glass cockpits are soooo boring.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Brought to you by David Lynch.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

The most interesting thing is that as the E-4B's taxing to takeoff, in the immediate distance you can see one of the E-6B Mercury TACAMO aircraft. So there are two doomsday planes in one shot.

Also, the lower-quality NatGeo documentary linked on the right goes more in-depth, showing the copper mesh on the windows as well as the VLF antenna winch room in the aft section.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Sep 28, 2017

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

mlmp08 posted:

Brought to you by David Lynch.

I sort of love it because whoever was shooting it just wanted the feeling and the texture of the thing

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV3XszURSs0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP6oPhUs3_E

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
When auto-GCAS is more ubiquitous, it will be very good for aviators.

Also, uh, this is not how you take off. Zapad 2017 is doing very well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc3mHhmUXgk

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

Gibfender posted:

A strangely-edited tour of an E4-B

I think they were just shooting B-roll footage and didn't bother to edit out the conversation of the guys who were escorting them around the plane.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
whoops sorry about the safety there
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=326_1505826315

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Collateral Damage posted:

Answering my own question after some googling: No, they use much smaller tugs, since you're not exactly pulling 747s around on a carrier deck.



e: What are those planes in the background?

First two are S-3 vikings the thing in the back is an E-2C (you can see the tip of the rotodome)

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfp5_gcgLtI

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

btw, this video will show a BBQ body.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

See, this wouldn't have happened if the Russian forest fire service used good, solid, dependable M113 Aerogavins.

For the benefit of people who haven't clicked it: It's a fatal air crash of an AN-2.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Air Defense has maximum funk intros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqMdMp0KKYA

Rotacixe
Oct 21, 2008

mlmp08 posted:

When auto-GCAS is more ubiquitous, it will be very good for aviators.

Also, uh, this is not how you take off. Zapad 2017 is doing very well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc3mHhmUXgk

A Backfire. I really wanted to say the bear is back in the woods. Alas, it was not meant to be.

Dr_Strangelove
Dec 16, 2003

Mein Fuhrer! THEY WON!

mlmp08 posted:

Air Defense has maximum funk intros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqMdMp0KKYA

"I'm the Night Stalker for Army Air Defense Command."

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid

mlmp08 posted:

When auto-GCAS is more ubiquitous, it will be very good for aviators.

Also, uh, this is not how you take off. Zapad 2017 is doing very well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc3mHhmUXgk

I, uh, what? Why'd they deploy the drogue chutes? :psyduck:

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler
I would guess they were either trying to abort takeoff way too late or they somehow activated the chute on accident. Usually things like that have a cover on the button though.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Mortabis posted:

I, uh, what? Why'd they deploy the drogue chutes? :psyduck:

I assumed that something seriously malfunctioned, the pilots decided they weren't going to make it off the ground anyway and that they would rather hit the end of the runway going slower than faster so did whatever they could to slow down.

That said though I don't remember seeing billowing smoke coming off the brakes so maybe not?

Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...
Maybe they source their safety switches from the same place that supplies their attack helos.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Hubis posted:

Maybe they source their safety switches from the same place that supplies their attack helos.

So then it's pretty much a miracle that we all haven't died in a accidental mass ICBM launch?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Murgos posted:

So then it's pretty much a miracle that we all haven't died in a accidental mass ICBM launch?

More so than I think anyone would be comfortable knowing about. For every Stanislav Petrov and Black Brant incident, there were probably five worse ones we'll never hear about.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

mlmp08 posted:


Also, uh, this is not how you take off. Zapad 2017 is doing very well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc3mHhmUXgk

Is the answer to negating the threat from Russia just to kick back for a few years whilst they gradually write off all their assets in airshow mishaps?

Dr_Strangelove
Dec 16, 2003

Mein Fuhrer! THEY WON!

Mortabis posted:

Looks like it's from some TV show called Salvation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvation_(TV_series)

A disappointingly silly show. Recommended for comedy value.

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Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...

inkjet_lakes posted:

Is the answer to negating the threat from Russia just to kick back for a few years whilst they gradually write off all their assets in airshow mishaps?

Serious question: What's the body count for Zapad 2017 up to now? Because it *seems* like a more than a few related and publicized screw-ups. What's the expected "attrition" from a normal mass wargame scenario (in NATO countries at least)?

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