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Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Echo Chamber posted:

I'm an Asian guy who fears the alt-right or the "alt-center" (or whatever the fedora crowd is branding itself now) successfully courting Asian American males to their cause.

But then I just show them reddit and twitter threads where white libertarian fucks try to argue that Asians are more privileged than white people.

Sadly, a lot of asians vote Republican because "business" and evangelicalism. Not sure if Trump turned that around, but it was the case for a long time. :(

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Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo

Pembroke Fuse posted:

Sadly, a lot of asians vote Republican because "business" and evangelicalism. Not sure if Trump turned that around, but it was the case for a long time. :(
I live in central New Jersey, and there was a "Hindus for Trump" event during the campaign. A lot of them love Modi too. And they hate Muslims. Granted, Indian Americans in the area overwhelmingly voted for Hillary, but there's always been a large strand of Respectability Politics among first generation Asian American immigrants, even when we're not talking about the "escaped from communism" crowd. And some of their male children grew up bitter believing they were overlooked in affirmative action and identity politics, which makes rebelling against liberal orthodoxy more tempting.

(I'm all for rebelling against liberal orthodoxy... but go left!)

At least I can rest a bit easy knowing that Asian American men, as whole, did not vote for Trump, unlike whitewomenvotedfortrump.jpg.

Echo Chamber fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Sep 28, 2017

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.
Look at this crooked bullshit

https://twitter.com/ByYourLogic/status/913465334992183297

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
In the replies:

https://twitter.com/BlueyMcPhluey/status/913468509702709248

Demonetizing youtubes is really going to be the thing that pushes some people to go full Nye Bevan and I don't know what to think.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The advent of international infrastructure is a strong argument for internationalism.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

business hammocks posted:

Somebody tell that guy about Jews.

For the love of Moses, don't!!

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Guavanaut posted:

Demonetizing youtubes is really going to be the thing that pushes some people to go full Nye Bevan and I don't know what to think.

Being on the receiving end of rent-seeking behavior is a very effective way to turn folk anti-capitalist.

Sax Solo
Feb 18, 2011



The response to "Asians do better than whites explain that libtards" I've heard is that actually, Asians were doing terribly, but white people became less racist over time, and Asians were able to improve their lot. I.e. the Asian history in the US is more like proof that systemic racism is real and easing it is important.

Though even then, anti-blackness is a special case in the US and nothing really compares to it.

And generally when people take a situation. and swap a race or gender and expect the result to be the same, their argument is probably stupid.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!
There's also the fact that 'Asian' doesn't refer to a homogenous demographic. When people talk about how well off Asians are, it's my understanding they're usually referencing well-to-do Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and maybe even Indian immigrants. I imagine if you break the demographics down more finely, that picture of the 'model minority doing better than whites' starts breaking down.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Asians have been Nazi allies before...

fallenturtle
Feb 28, 2003
paintedblue.net
Did y'all catch Dave Cullen's (of the popular computer and tech show Computing Forever with Dave Cullen) review of Star Trek Discovery?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBb0hyuIfYQ

At one point he rants about them naming a female character Michael. It's pretty awesome.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
https://youtu.be/EO5Gayz4NNw

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

fallenturtle posted:

Did y'all catch Dave Cullen's (of the popular computer and tech show Computing Forever with Dave Cullen) review of Star Trek Discovery?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBb0hyuIfYQ

At one point he rants about them naming a female character Michael. It's pretty awesome.

is it any good, the only negatives i have heard about it are from right wing assholes and john macintosh, so i assume its good.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Rich Evans disliked it a lot and he's a big ST fan. He pretty much got around to saying it feels like it wants to be Star Wars but it's not adventurous and exciting, but it just doesn't much feel like Star Trek either.

Dancer
May 23, 2011

Sax Solo posted:

The response to "Asians do better than whites explain that libtards" I've heard is that actually, Asians were doing terribly, but white people became less racist over time, and Asians were able to improve their lot. I.e. the Asian history in the US is more like proof that systemic racism is real and easing it is important.

Though even then, anti-blackness is a special case in the US and nothing really compares to it.

And generally when people take a situation. and swap a race or gender and expect the result to be the same, their argument is probably stupid.

Tim Wise may have many faults, but his books are reasonably well documented (at least it seems so; of course I only ever "followed" like 5% of his sources and never actually tried to fact-check his whole book because I have things to do with my time). In his book Colourblind he presents actual data indicating that yeah, the average person of Chinese descent (as an example) in the States definitely does better than the average white person, but that is to a great extent because the average Chinese person will be more educated (which itself is to a great extent a consequence of selective migration). When you compare the groups of equal education, the advantage is flipped. The average American-born caucasian person with a PhD will have more wealth and more income than even a 2nd gen Chinese immigrant with a PhD.

fallenturtle
Feb 28, 2003
paintedblue.net

Dapper_Swindler posted:

is it any good, the only negatives i have heard about it are from right wing assholes and john macintosh, so i assume its good.

I enjoyed it, despite its flaws, which it does have, but I'm not a Trekie, so there might have been more bugbears I didn't key into. I think for me the most disappointing thing was that I felt they could have done a better job of trying to make the appearance of the technology and styling more believable of being just 10 years prior to TOS. I realize that's' a tall order, but I think they could have gotten closer. It looks and feels almost more like the reboot.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


i literally know a woman named michael. everyone calls her mikey tho.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
My wife was roommates with a woman named Michael. Its like men named Stacey, not common but nothing to flip out over.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Dapper_Swindler posted:

is it any good, the only negatives i have heard about it are from right wing assholes and john macintosh, so i assume its good.

It's okay. My main complaint is that the first two episodes are more akin to an introductory mini-series before a season starts than the first two episodes of a season - the starship of the title hasn't even made her appearance yet. Other complaints boil down to it not being Star Trekky enough, which I've always found to be a nebulous concept at best anyways. It certainly has the budget and the talent to turn into something okay into something really good when the actual Discovery comes along.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Who What Now posted:

My wife was roommates with a woman named Michael. Its like men named Stacey, not common but nothing to flip out over.

Or men like Lindsey, Kelly and Timothy.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.


So I use to think Youtub e just didn't understand how their own site worked or how people actually used it. Kind of like all Social Media platforms that are then shocked to find out how many Nazi's are hiding in their branches.

THis is proof that Youtube knows just what the gently caress they are doing and wan't chaos. They are sending a clear message: We not only want you to not get paid by ads, we don't want you getting paid at all. All so they don't have to actually moderate and police their own site.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Sep 29, 2017

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
A lot of people are going to learn capitalism isn't their friend. Actually they won't. They'll misunderstand and blame the jews/muslims/cultural marxists/poor people/women.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

As long as Youtube keeps being one of the worlds few unprofitable private monopolies nothing should be taken for granted.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Dapper_Swindler posted:

is it any good, the only negatives i have heard about it are from right wing assholes and john macintosh, so i assume its good.

It seemed a bit... Mean-spirited? In my opinion.

Also the Klingons now resemble loving demons.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Destiny goes on an epic rant against Dave Rubin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvd2AJ_oXM0

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
A sceptic conference hosted by the Milwaukee Mythicists (Mythinformation Conference :thumbsup:) has decided to host some of the worst possible people to attend as speakers. Armoured Skeptic and Shoeonhead are there (not entirely uncontroversial but neither of them are experts in areas that would normally warrant speaking at a conference). More controversially, Sargon is there as a speaker whose "channel is dedicated to rational arguments backed by evidence". Apparently they have never met him, nor heard him speak, nor realised he has crippling allergies to research and effort.

And hot off the press, they've decided to also host Amos Yee, noted fan of child pornography.

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Zenithe posted:

A sceptic conference hosted by the Milwaukee Mythicists (Mythinformation Conference :thumbsup:) has decided to host some of the worst possible people to attend as speakers. Armoured Skeptic and Shoeonhead are there (not entirely uncontroversial but neither of them are experts in areas that would normally warrant speaking at a conference). More controversially, Sargon is there as a speaker whose "channel is dedicated to rational arguments backed by evidence". Apparently they have never met him, nor heard him speak, nor realised he has crippling allergies to research and effort.

And hot off the press, they've decided to also host Amos Yee, noted fan of child pornography.

Yeah, this Mythicist conference quickly turned into an alt-right poo poo show. Also, I don't think Sargon and evidence have been in the same room together.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Zenithe posted:


And hot off the press, they've decided to also host Amos Yee, noted fan of child pornography.

Maybe someone should notify the authorities?

it shaun
Jun 6, 2017
It's pretty obvious at this point that Mythicist Milwaukee is just going for numbers & trying to drum up as much attention as possible. One of the organizers did a chat with Bearing, even, I believe. Pretty shameless stuff.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Zenithe posted:

A sceptic conference hosted by the Milwaukee Mythicists (Mythinformation Conference :thumbsup:) has decided to host some of the worst possible people to attend as speakers. Armoured Skeptic and Shoeonhead are there (not entirely uncontroversial but neither of them are experts in areas that would normally warrant speaking at a conference). More controversially, Sargon is there as a speaker whose "channel is dedicated to rational arguments backed by evidence". Apparently they have never met him, nor heard him speak, nor realised he has crippling allergies to research and effort.

And hot off the press, they've decided to also host Amos Yee, noted fan of child pornography.

They're either going to get eviscerated or the transformation of the skeptical movement into mra poo poo is complete. Even the racist shitheads and predators like Shermer were science snobs who valued advanced degrees and loved to drop citations.

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Echo Chamber posted:

I live in central New Jersey, and there was a "Hindus for Trump" event during the campaign. A lot of them love Modi too. And they hate Muslims. Granted, Indian Americans in the area overwhelmingly voted for Hillary, but there's always been a large strand of Respectability Politics among first generation Asian American immigrants, even when we're not talking about the "escaped from communism" crowd. And some of their male children grew up bitter believing they were overlooked in affirmative action and identity politics, which makes rebelling against liberal orthodoxy more tempting.

(I'm all for rebelling against liberal orthodoxy... but go left!)

At least I can rest a bit easy knowing that Asian American men, as whole, did not vote for Trump, unlike whitewomenvotedfortrump.jpg.

Yeah, white liberal "feminism" kind of failed here. :(

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
I thought Amos yee was in custody awaiting a decision on his asylum status.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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nickmeister posted:

I thought Amos yee was in custody awaiting a decision on his asylum status.

Mental health ssylum or political asylum?

Dommolus Magnus
Feb 27, 2013

Josef bugman posted:

Mental health ssylum or political asylum?

It's really quite the same, isn't it? Both involve people with god-complexes, you just find them on different sides of the bars.

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
He was going to do prison time (more prison time?) for making fun of Muslims. He ran to the States sometime in 2016. I thought he was still in limbo, but maybe not?

On YouTube trying to block Patreon, what's the point? idgi

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

nickmeister posted:

On YouTube trying to block Patreon, what's the point? idgi

They're a bunch of asses and they're mad that people found a way to make a decent living off making videos without giving them their cut.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
is youtube blocking patreon or are they just not letting people link to patreon at the end of videos on the video itself. because i can sort of see youtube having an issue with people steering their viewers to spend money on another site

zxqv8
Oct 21, 2010

Did somebody call about a Ravager problem?
Maybe Google is busy building their own patreon-style system in the background to get a cut of that sweet crowdfunding pie, and this is just the opening move to pave the way for it.

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

boner confessor posted:

is youtube blocking patreon or are they just not letting people link to patreon at the end of videos on the video itself. because i can sort of see youtube having an issue with people steering their viewers to spend money on another site

Yeah but they are the ones holding back ad revenue to the video creators.

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Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

nickmeister posted:

He was going to do prison time (more prison time?) for making fun of Muslims. He ran to the States sometime in 2016. I thought he was still in limbo, but maybe not?

On YouTube trying to block Patreon, what's the point? idgi

Youtube has two major problems (ok, it has many, but there are the relevant ones here):
1) Copyright strikes from overzealous copyright holders and copyright squatters (that are almost impossible to resolve if you're just some poor channel with 10K followers)
2) Haphazard demonitization due to their ad sponsors getting spooked by all the Nazi and anti-Nazi content (they demonitize pro-LGBT videos, for example)

Youtubers basically cam up with a workaround.
1) You can purposefully content-lock your video by using several pieces of media from two major corporations. When the corporations both copyright lock your video, they have to fight it out, not you. This may have been pioneered/popularized by Jim Sterling (thank god for him, etc, etc)
2) Video-makers simply directed their users to their Patreon sites and left their video unmonetized. It's how people like Jim Sterling can review games in a relatively harassment-free way. If you were a real poo poo, you would probably direct your subs to hatreon or whatever.

Anyway, this began to cut into Youtube's profits, so they nuked this workaround. Thanks Youtube.

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