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Platystemon posted:Eros’ acceleration isn’t possible according to humanity’s understanding of physics. It's the difference between "the protomolecule built a drive somehow" and "apparently magic exists."
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Toast Museum posted:It's the difference between "the protomolecule built a drive somehow" and "apparently magic exists." The drive just works beyond our level of physics. Don't remember if they mention it during the chase, but in the books they make a point that Eros starts emitting radiation after it moves and one of the characters is like "well at least entropy is still real..."
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Toast Museum posted:It's the difference between "the protomolecule built a drive somehow" and "apparently magic exists." All the human-built structures on Eros and the very rock itself would crumble under the forces involved. Earthquakes devastate large portions of Earth’s surface and that’s child’s play. Either the protomolecule can apply force to individual atoms or it skips Newton’s second law and manipulates velocity directly. It’s magic, and that’s okay.
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Sep 29, 2017 02:03
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:The drive just works beyond our level of physics. Don't remember if they mention it during the chase, but in the books they make a point that Eros starts emitting radiation after it moves and one of the characters is like "well at least entropy is still real..." Yeah, Naomi is quick to point out that it's not quite magic. What I meant is that in terms of their initial reaction and understanding, it might as well have been.
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Sep 29, 2017 03:20
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PriorMarcus posted:Much like many other things in the show if you haven't read the books this information isn't portrayed well at all. what else would you say is badly conveyed? sebmojo fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Sep 29, 2017 07:47
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Milky Moor posted:There's a Warhammer 40k short story that actually talks about that last part. Yea i have the 3rd edition compendium around here somewhere. That chestnut is always brought up when people talk about "realistic" space warefare, but they never get into the logistics of actually getting space rocks. Yes they're free, but you have to go get them.
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Sep 29, 2017 11:38
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when you spend a trillion dollars to harvest a free rock, it's a trillion dollar rock.
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Sep 29, 2017 12:03
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Rocksicles posted:when you spend a trillion dollars to harvest a free rock, it's a trillion dollar rock. The corporation that built the infrastructure declares bankruptcy. Another corporation buys their assets at rock bottom prices and is profitable. It worked for Iridium.
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Sep 29, 2017 12:18
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Space capitalism at it's finest
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Sep 29, 2017 12:32
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Platystemon posted:All the human-built structures on Eros and the very rock itself would crumble under the forces involved. It could possibly have something to do with the higgs field. 
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Sep 29, 2017 12:43
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Instead of moving the rock it moves the rest of the universe around the rock  There is no physical difference between doing the one thing and doing the other.
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Sep 29, 2017 13:31
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Toast Museum posted:It's the difference between "the protomolecule built a drive somehow" and "apparently magic exists." oh boy are you going to hate seasons 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9
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Sep 29, 2017 15:48
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Phi230 posted:oh boy are you going to hate seasons 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 watches hard science slip through fingers like sand Noooooooo my Newtonian physics!
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Sep 29, 2017 17:13
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Thing is doing something with physics that humans haven't figured out yet. Not that far-fetched, given that the standard model is still just the best estimate, and quantum physics are still kind of magic.
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Phi230 posted:oh boy are you going to hate seasons 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 Nah, I wasn't saying I was bothered by any of what happened. The stuff that will probably annoy me later is unrelated to physics.
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Pander posted:watches hard science slip through fingers like sand Humans with "realistic" ships encountering magic aliens is like the most common hard sf story going back to 2001.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Thing is doing something with physics that humans haven't figured out yet. One of the other things that annoy me about a lot of Hard Sci-fi Nerds is they act like the rules of physics that were written nearly 400 years ago are the alpha and omega of science. Yea we figured out everything already, time to close up shop! I think the aspect of Humans coming into contact with things that they cannot explain with their knowlage of science is pretty interesting, becuase we do tend to have a lot of scientific hubris.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:42
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Zartosht posted:Humans with "realistic" ships encountering magic aliens is like the most common hard sf story going back to 2001. Yes. This is pretty central to a ridiculous volume of respected SF authorship. Arthur Clarke, Carl Sagan, and Stanislaw Lem all have stories built around advanced alien intelligence that are borderline magical. I fail to see how that's a criticism.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:46
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How is that famous quote? About how technology advanced enough is indistinguishable from magic or something like that
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Sep 29, 2017 21:14
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Clarke's third law I never really have a problem with the hyper-advanced aliens doing borderline magic, of course they can break physics they've been working on it a few tens of thousands of years longer than we have. We've got plenty of stuff today that would look like bullshit impossible magic to a Bronze Age farmer. Hell, we've got stuff that would look like bullshit impossible magic to someone from a century ago, much less millenia. Why wouldn't aliens or far-future societies have stuff that looks like bullshit impossible magic to us? Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Sep 29, 2017 21:24
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For as much as it does violate our known laws of physics, the PM does appear to have a set of rules that it follows, and I think that's the key. You can break all the rules you want in your story (isn't that why you're writing sci-fi?) but you gotta be consistent about it or it just falls apart for the reader.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:47
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Expanse isn't exactly "hard" scifi it's just really internally consistent with how its universe's physics and technology works unlike 99% of space shows.
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sebmojo posted:what else would you say is badly conveyed? Basically anything that relies on exterior space shots to convey an idea. The flip and burn in the first episode. The Roci in the agriculture dome. The battle at Spin Station was fine, but that's because it's close quarters slower combat suited the style they choose for their space photography. But literally nothing else for a it. Outside of that I don't think they conveyed the scope and importance of Ganymede very well and the revelation that the proto molecule was extra solar was kind of underwhelming. They should've saved it for Dresden to say in person or have had a stronger reaction from the characters watching the video because, as it is, it's almost off hand and a few first time viewers missed it from my experience.
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Baronjutter posted:Expanse isn't exactly "hard" scifi it's just really internally consistent with how its universe's physics and technology works unlike 99% of space shows. That's hard enough for this show to gently caress my brain
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Combat Pretzel posted:Thing is doing something with physics that humans haven't figured out yet. twistedmentat posted:One of the other things that annoy me about a lot of Hard Sci-fi Nerds is they act like the rules of physics that were written nearly 400 years ago are the alpha and omega of science. Yea we figured out everything already, time to close up shop! lol Platystemon posted:All the human-built structures on Eros and the very rock itself would crumble under the forces involved.
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Sep 30, 2017 06:53
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The asteroid colonies in the expanse couldn't exist in real life, even a slight spin would result in those balls of gravels and rock breaking apart. Asteroids are not thought to be very structurally sound and would make extremely poor space-homes let alone vessels, with humans technology anyways, with magic alien technology who knows.
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Baronjutter posted:The asteroid colonies in the expanse couldn't exist in real life, even a slight spin would result in those balls of gravels and rock breaking apart. Asteroids are not thought to be very structurally sound and would make extremely poor space-homes let alone vessels, with humans technology anyways, with magic alien technology who knows. Phobeste posted:lol You really going to pretend that the current set of physical laws humans figured out are 100% true and set in stone? Not saying that there's going to be a world shifting breakthrough any time soon, but that's the premise the protomolecule stuff runs on, that they've figured out the universe more than us. I mean, there's currently a set of rules we've cobbled together that'll fit most observations, but in the bigger scheme, the pocket protectors are still scratching their heads. They still don't know how electroweak and strong forces work, same goes to gravity, with all the dark energy bullshit. But hey, lol. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Sep 30, 2017 |
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Just to tick on an earlier point that was made with some book 2 spoilers about PM-tech: Yes, Virginia, the PM can manipulate inertia at the atomic level. It can do Eros because it literally grabs every atom at once and moves them en masse, rather than applying force to the structure. Presumably it took Miller with it because it didn't want to pulp its own biomass and just took him for the ride.Combat Pretzel posted:IIRC the books go into this, explaining that the asteroids got reinforced structurally, with load bearing struts and poo poo like that. Whether that's realistic, given the forces, I don't know, but at least they made an effort story-wise in the books. I've seen rumblings recently that gravity isn't  real , but just the macro-version of the weak force?
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Combat Pretzel posted:IIRC the books go into this, explaining that the asteroids got reinforced structurally, with load bearing struts and poo poo like that. Whether that's realistic, given the forces, I don't know, but at least they made an effort story-wise in the books. The exterior of the asteroids, according to the book, have also been super heated and melted into solid slag to reinforce the exterior.
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Bubbles. https://twitter.com/spoilertv/status/924033753860550656
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Is she going to play Clarissa?
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Proteus Jones posted:Is she going to play seems that way.
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Oct 28, 2017 00:23
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If that's Peaches then, well, I'm surprised.
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Oct 28, 2017 00:40
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Pander posted:peaches? Yeah, that. Probably.
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Oct 28, 2017 01:49
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Kind of surprised they didn't use the Julie Mao actor and claim they were twins, since in the book it is said they looked really similar anyway.
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JossiRossi posted:Kind of surprised they didn't use the Julie Mao actor and claim they were twins, since in the book it is said they looked really similar anyway. This is what I thought they would do as well. Kind of happy they aren't as I think it would've come across a bit cheap. I think Peaches will come across a lot better when were not spending time in her head. Hopefully they sort out their timeline issue though and do a time jump so her resentment makes sense.
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She will probably get a similar treatment to Avasarala/Bobby in that we'll see more of her backstory while the main plot progresses. Will there be a new thread for the next season?
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Syzygy Stardust posted:Yeah, that. Probably. I mean if you click through for the description it's (this doesn't actual spoil much but black-barring just in case) "She will play a lowly electrochemical tech on a ship that is fierce, intelligent, and driven, but driven by a hidden agenda and a dark secret." So yeah, that's Peaches.
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