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Tias
May 25, 2008

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HEY GAIL posted:

what is her opinion on absurd hats

Tragically, the diocese of Copenhagen, even the bishop, is completely hatless at all services :(

I could see her having a hidden hat boner, though!

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HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Tias posted:

Tragically, the diocese of Copenhagen, even the bishop, is completely hatless at all services :(

I could see her having a hidden hat boner, though!
poo poo. Show her some pictures. Spread it around.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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HEY GAIL posted:

poo poo. Show her some pictures. Spread it around.

She's a priest, I ain't exactly going to see her again :) But I'd support a campaign to be-hat her!

Caufman
May 7, 2007
Far be it from me to make any unkind judgment about the beauty and humor of silly hats, it's just that I respond very well to the understated stylishness of the Roman hat and its lookalike cousins.



Yes, it is so.



Ex Quisite



No. That's too stylish.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME
Sometimes there are posts here on sex and gender, although I never use the word "trans" when talking about early modern Europe because that comes from a society that has different views of these things than they did. Anyway, a woman named Marie Garnier in the 16th century was female until the age of 22, when he suddenly turned into a man. The reason this is relevant to this thread is that he had to be rebaptized, of course.

https://nursingclio.org/2017/09/19/imagining-sex-change-in-early-modern-europe/

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
we just finished recording our first podcast episode (just needs to be edited and uploaded, will post a link here when that's done) and so i'm looking up some more catholic answers forum questions for the next episode and boy if you want a quick anger sesh nothin beats reading five billion people wondering if associating with friends or family who are lgbt is sinful or not. a priest advised that a man keep his daughter from going to the house of her friend because her friend's parents were lesbians. what the gently caress is wrong with these people. gay people exist! trans people exist! loving deal with it and stop making thanksgiving some kind of power struggle between your faith and your family!

The Phlegmatist
Nov 24, 2003
Back when I used to go to CAF the only thing I saw were questions about whether or not it's okay to attend a same-sex wedding since you might give off the appearance of supporting same-sex marriage (because as we all know, the LGBT community literally does not know a single thing about the Catholic Church's stance on this issue, it remains a mystery to all.)

Which, I guess, is more understandable rather than "don't let your daughter talk to her friend with two mommies"

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
I figure if anyone can explain this, it's y'all.

https://twitter.com/MalkyDungeon/status/911282192504049665

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

The first US-born martyr, a priest assassinated during the Guatemalan civil war, was beatified today

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/fr-stanley-rother-first-us-born-martyr-to-be-beatified-in-september-43252/

Ora pro nobis

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

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Soiled Meat

Cythereal posted:

I figure if anyone can explain this, it's y'all.

https://twitter.com/MalkyDungeon/status/911282192504049665

the Blessed Ranieri frees the poors from a jail in Florence, from the san sepolcro altarpiece

The Phlegmatist
Nov 24, 2003
Everyone got excited about the possibility Cardinal Burke & co. would make a filial correction to the pope but SSPX beat them to it.

quote:

Entitled Correctio filialis de haeresibus propagatis, meaning ‘A Filial Correction Concerning the Propagation of Heresies,’ the 25 page letter was delivered to the Holy Father at his Santa Marta residence on Aug. 11.

I assume His Holiness used it as toilet paper.

Pershing
Feb 21, 2010

John "Black Jack" Pershing
Hard Fucking Core

There is something about statements like the above that just sets my teeth on edge.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Worthleast posted:

And he recognized it. Aquinas is the great accumulator and synthesizer, but he never intended to be the last word.
AND

his handwriting loving sucks

Worthleast
Nov 25, 2012

Possibly the only speedboat jumps I've planned

The Phlegmatist posted:

Everyone got excited about the possibility Cardinal Burke & co. would make a filial correction to the pope but SSPX beat them to it.


I assume His Holiness used it as toilet paper.

Reading through it, will comment later.

Here are the seven heresies the letter accuses the pope of holding or allowing to be taught.

just lol if you don't latin posted:

His verbis, actis, et omissionibus, et in iis sententiis libri Amoris laetitia quas supra diximus, Sanctitas vestra sustentavit recte aut oblique, et in Ecclesia (quali quantaque intelligentia nescimus nec iudicare audemus) propositiones has sequentes, cum munere publico tum actu privato, propagavit, falsas profecto et haereticas:
(1) “Homo iustificatus iis caret viribus quibus, Dei gratia adiutus, mandata obiectiva legis divinae impleat; quasi quidvis ex Dei mandatis sit iustificatis impossibile; seu quasi Dei gratia, cum in homine iustificationem efficit, non semper et sua natura conversionem efficiat ab omni peccato gravi; seu quasi non sit sufficiens ut hominem ab omni peccato gravi convertat.”
(2) Christifidelis qui, divortium civile a sponsa legitima consecutus, matrimonium civile (sponsa vivente) cum alia contraxit; quique cum ea more uxorio vivit; quique cum plena intelligentia naturae actus sui et voluntatis propriae pleno ad actum consensu eligit in hoc rerum statu manere: non necessarie mortaliter peccare dicendus est, et gratiam sanctificantem accipere et in caritate crescere potest.”
(3) “Christifidelis qui alicuius mandati divini plenam scientiam possidet et deliberata voluntate in re gravi id violare eligit, non semper per talem actum graviter peccat.”
(4) “Homo potest, dum divinae prohibitioni obtemperat, contra Deum ea ipsa obtemperatione peccare.”
(5) “Conscientia recte ac vere iudicare potest actus venereos aliquando probos et honestos esse aut licite rogari posse aut etiam a Deo mandari, inter eos qui matrimonium civile contraxerunt quamquam sponsus cum alia in matrimonio sacramentali iam coniunctus est.”
(6) “Principia moralia et veritas moralis quae in divina revelatione et in lege naturali continentur non comprehendunt prohibitiones qualibus genera quaedam actionis absolute vetantur utpote quae propter obiectum suum semper graviter illicita sint.”
(7) “Haec est voluntas Domini nostri Iesu Christi, ut Ecclesia disciplinam suam perantiquam abiciat negandi Eucharistiam et Absolutionem iis qui, divortium civile consecuti et matrimonium civile ingressi, contritionem et propositum firmum sese emendandi ab ea in qua vivunt vitae conditione noluerunt patefacere."

These propositions all contradict truths that are divinely revealed, and that Catholics must believe with the assent of divine faith.

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
what a bunch of nerds, releasing a statement in latin and english without a translation

Worthleast
Nov 25, 2012

Possibly the only speedboat jumps I've planned

quote:

By these words, deeds, and omissions, and by the above-mentioned passages of the document Amoris laetitia, Your Holiness has upheld, directly or indirectly, and, with what degree of awareness we do not seek to judge, both by public office and by private act propagated in the Church the following false and heretical propositions:
1). 'A justified person has not the strength with God’s grace to carry out the objective demands of the divine law, as though any of the commandments of God are impossible for the justified; or as meaning that God’s grace, when it produces justification in an individual, does not invariably and of its nature produce conversion from all serious sin, or is not sufficient for conversion from all serious sin.'
2). 'Christians who have obtained a civil divorce from the spouse to whom they are validly married and have contracted a civil marriage with some other person during the lifetime of their spouse, who live more uxorio with their civil partner, and who choose to remain in this state with full knowledge of the nature of their act and full consent of the will to that act, are not necessarily in a state of mortal sin, and can receive sanctifying grace and grow in charity.'
3). 'A Christian believer can have full knowledge of a divine law and voluntarily choose to break it in a serious matter, but not be in a state of mortal sin as a result of this action.'
4). ‘A person is able, while he obeys a divine prohibition, to sin against God by that very act of obedience.’
5). 'Conscience can truly and rightly judge that sexual acts between persons who have contracted a civil marriage with each other, although one or both of them is sacramentally married to another person, can sometimes be morally right or requested or even commanded by God.'
6). 'Moral principles and moral truths contained in divine revelation and in the natural law do not include negative prohibitions that absolutely forbid particular kinds of action, inasmuch as these are always gravely unlawful on account of their object.'
7). 'Our Lord Jesus Christ wills that the Church abandon her perennial discipline of refusing the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried and of refusing absolution to the divorced and remarried who do not express contrition for their state of life and a firm purpose of amendment with regard to it.'

I think that nothing will come of this, and the conservative bishops will continue to interpret things their way, and the liberal bishops will continue to interpret things their way. It is for the pope to act and clarify the situation, and he has not shown himself one to be pushed around in this manner.

As a side note, this is all Joseph Shaw and Chris Ferrara. Bp Fellay only heard about it and signed after it had already been presented to the pope.

The Phlegmatist
Nov 24, 2003
Yeah, after digging into the signatories a little bit it's not exclusively an SSPX document. I wonder what's going to happen to the diocesan priests who signed onto it though. Hope they enjoy being transferred to the hell parishes, I guess.

I don't think anything realistically will come of it either, I just wonder if this will hurt SSPX's chances of regularization which they need to actually do under a liberal pontificate like that of Pope Francis. If someone like Cardinal Sarah becomes pope, SSPX will be celebrating the return of a liturgical traditionalist to the Holy See for about all of one day before they all get excommunicated. Conservatives in the curia are fans of the EF but not exactly fans of SSPX.

Caufman
May 7, 2007
My childhood parish in America was St. Pius X with no affiliation to the Society of St. Pius X. That was very confusing growing up.

zonohedron
Aug 14, 2006


Caufman posted:

My childhood parish in America was St. Pius X with no affiliation to the Society of St. Pius X. That was very confusing growing up.

Both my childhood parish and the parish to which my older son's school is attached are under the patronage of Pope Pius X, in two different states, no less! He's pretty popular for lowering the age of first communion to 7 and encouraging regular reception of communion in general. Apparently he was also the Pope who decided that the US was no longer a missionary territory, permitted Italian Catholics to vote, and let refugees into the Apostolic Palace after a 7.1 magnitude earthquake in 1908.

(oh and also he was really, really, really opposed to Modernism, which I am guessing is why the SSPX chose him as a patron)

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


I have searched online and tried several different email addresses but I cannot find one that works for the Vatican.

I am trying to contact any public relations area. Does anyone here know of an address?

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

I have searched online and tried several different email addresses but I cannot find one that works for the Vatican.

I am trying to contact any public relations area. Does anyone here know of an address?

The e-mail of the Holy See's Press Room is info@salastampa.va

The Secretariat of Communications email is spc@spc.va and, specifically, the General Affairs email for the Secretariat is direzione.affarigenerali@spc.va

Maybe one of those might help?

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


Epicurius posted:

The e-mail of the Holy See's Press Room is info@salastampa.va

The Secretariat of Communications email is spc@spc.va and, specifically, the General Affairs email for the Secretariat is direzione.affarigenerali@spc.va

Maybe one of those might help?

Thank you so much.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Sorry to all Presbyterians, Independants, Quakers &c., but I simply couldn't not post this :v:

https://twitter.com/manymanyplies/status/911939945966784512

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

System Metternich posted:

Sorry to all Presbyterians, Independants, Quakers &c., but I simply couldn't not post this :v:

https://twitter.com/manymanyplies/status/911939945966784512

According to my girlfriend, I'm an ammonite, so, checks out.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

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Soiled Meat
I think a new Antipope could be just the kind of revitalizing shakeup we need

Caufman
May 7, 2007
I felt similarly about The Young Pope, but that had the benefit of being shocking but fictional. A real antipope is simply too spicy for me.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

I'm sitting at the fall festival of a local OCA parish. They have a pastry department. The pastry department has a logo.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Tias
May 25, 2008

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docbeard posted:

According to my girlfriend, I'm an ammonite, so, checks out.

An ammonite sounds like some kind of 40K gun-monk, please confirm this is the case

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Tias posted:

An ammonite sounds like some kind of 40K gun-monk, please confirm this is the case

More a warp monster than a gun-monk, and also they actually existed :cthulhu:

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
It's a pokemon, I'm pretty sure.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Paladinus posted:

It's a pokemon, I'm pretty sure.
don't be rude to mennonites

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME
:frogsiren: LET'S GET EARLY MODERN

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
And that's why we Catholics apparently have rules for baptizing flesh vats.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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JcDent posted:

And that's why we Catholics apparently have rules for baptizing flesh vats.

All must go back into the vats to help the populace!

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

HEY GAIL posted:

:frogsiren: LET'S GET EARLY MODERN


what kind of paperwork does a priest have to fill out in the case that a person "probably" has a soul? :v:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

HEY GAIL posted:

:frogsiren: LET'S GET EARLY MODERN


yesssssss source pls

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

System Metternich posted:

yesssssss source pls
Lester King and Marjorie Meehan, “A History of the Autopsy,” in Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol. 73 No. 2, November 1973, 514-544

Thirteen Orphans
Dec 2, 2012

I am a writer, a doctor, a nuclear physicist and a theoretical philosopher. But above all, I am a man, a hopelessly inquisitive man, just like you.

Lutha Mahtin posted:

what kind of paperwork does a priest have to fill out in the case that a person "probably" has a soul? :v:

I'd imagine it's similar to when the pries isn't sure the person has been baptized previously and so has to say: "In case you have not been baptized I baptize you in the name..."

Caufman
May 7, 2007

Lutha Mahtin posted:

what kind of paperwork does a priest have to fill out in the case that a person "probably" has a soul? :v:

I think if they wrote a new gospel, it'd cover all the bases.

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chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

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Soiled Meat
i didnt go to mass today and i feel bad about it

edit: nevermind, went to mass

chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Oct 8, 2017

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