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i just think it's kind of cute watching art styles fluctuate when you can read through a webcomic's archive and guess what they were watching/reading at any given point
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the old ceremony posted:stylistic fads happen across all art forms, the stephen universe style is just the art nouveau of the 21st century What I wouldn't give for art nouveau to be the current style.
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I'm all for a resurgence of Art Deco. That poo poo was amazing.
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SU goes off model in ways that are very unpleasant. Like, sometimes Steven and Amethyst are two feet tall for a whole episode, it's very strange.
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Sep 29, 2017 20:37
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pospysyl posted:SU goes off model in ways that are very unpleasant. Like, sometimes Steven and Amethyst are two feet tall for a whole episode, it's very strange. One of the big criticisms of a lot of those cartoons including SU and OKKO is that sometimes the animation is really off-model, like just criminally bad.
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Sep 29, 2017 23:39
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isn't the off-model stuff entirely deliberate
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Sep 29, 2017 23:48
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Tollymain posted:isn't the off-model stuff entirely deliberate It is, yeah. They let the boarders for each episode experiment with their own personal styles.
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Rand Brittain posted:It is, yeah. They let the boarders for each episode experiment with their own personal styles. i actually like SU but i feel like character height is something that should be standardized
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Sep 30, 2017 00:09
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dmboogie posted:i actually like SU but i feel like character height is something that should be standardized Possibly, but that's definitely not how they do it—questions like "how tall is Sugilite" have the answer "as tall as is convenient today."
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Sep 30, 2017 00:13
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I've never noticed the off-model stuff, and honestly don't see what the big deal is? Like the only thing people say is that it's "unprofessional" but the rationale seems perfectly reasonable. It's only obsessive weirdos who are gonna be comparing relative heights across episodes anyway.
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Begemot posted:I've never noticed the off-model stuff, and honestly don't see what the big deal is?  ok
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Speaking of OK KO and webcomics
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Begemot posted:I've never noticed the off-model stuff, and honestly don't see what the big deal is? Like the only thing people say is that it's "unprofessional" but the rationale seems perfectly reasonable. It's only obsessive weirdos who are gonna be comparing relative heights across episodes anyway. Relative size is a handy visual cue that helps viewers tell characters apart without relying overly on the limited pool of consistent signature differences you care to adhere to (this is the Only Red Guy in my show. nobody else can ever wear red or they'll be indistinguishable from the Red Guy), and is absolutely vital to giving a sense of spatial relations in a 2D medium. This may be less of a big deal in a series where everyone is Red Triangle Guy or Blue Oval Girl and they all just sit around in a void talking forever (I've never watched Steven Universe and never will) A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Sep 30, 2017 |
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Sep 30, 2017 00:55
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Relative size is a basic visual cue used to allow viewers to tell characters apart without severely constraining your design to the few consistent signature differences you care to adhere to (this is the Only Red Guy in my show. nobody else wears red, ever), and is absolutely vital to giving a sense of spatial relations in a 2D medium. This may be less of a big deal in a series where everyone is Red Triangle Guy or Blue Oval Girl and they all just sit around in a void talking forever (I've never watched Steven Universe and never will) Yeah, no, people are complaining about whether a giant monster-sized smashy lady is as tall as a skyscraper or only as tall as like two houses.
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That'd be kind of relevant to giving a sense of scale! A skyscraper is much taller than two houses, and anything that huge will tend to kind of define any form of surrounding space (which is presumably also very large!) and be a major reference point by which people understand it and interpret movement through it, whether or not they're both also bigger than a person. If a townhouse is just a bit bigger than an airplane next to it, OK, you're looking at a 747. If the Empire State Building is just a bit bigger than the airplane next to it, I guess you're looking at some kind of bizarre scientologist end-of-the-world event
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Sep 30, 2017 00:59
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Relative size is a handy visual cue that helps viewers tell characters apart without relying overly on the limited pool of consistent signature differences you care to adhere to (this is the Only Red Guy in my show. nobody else can ever wear red or they'll be indistinguishable from the Red Guy), and is absolutely vital to giving a sense of spatial relations in a 2D medium. This may be less of a big deal in a series where everyone is Red Triangle Guy or Blue Oval Girl and they all just sit around in a void talking forever (I've never watched Steven Universe and never will) SU models change across episodes, not between episodes. Personally I've got no beef with it changing, but I cut my teeth on Loony Tunes reruns and well : 
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:Speaking of OK KO and webcomics The episode even ended with a comic. After all these years, Ian finished it.
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How did it end? I used to read the comic, but had never heard of the show until now.
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Galvanik posted:How did it end? I used to read the comic, but had never heard of the show until now. Like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-QY2Wi0XOc
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well that's the worst thing I've ever seen
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Different strokes for different folks, friend.
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i can't believe RPG world finally ended
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I find a lot of complaining about storyboard-driven cartoons going "off model" to be really dumb and boring. Loose character designs are not goofs or errors; very few shows have rigid character "models" like Family Guy and part of what makes a lot of shows fun is watching boarders take artistic liberties with a design for artistic effect. Also it sucks that so many webcomic artists are ripping off Steven Universe, because most of their attempts to copy that style look super toothless and bland because of all the rounded edges and pastel colors. IMO, even a lot of webcomic artists who have worked on that show lack the sense of roughness and texture that Rebecca Sugar's own drawings have.
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How did the mods get my selfie???
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the old ceremony posted:stylistic fads happen across all art forms, the stephen universe style is just the art nouveau of the 21st century Why do people insist on following the latest fad style when they could develop their own and be the trendsetter for the next one? Axiem posted:I'm all for a resurgence of Art Deco. That poo poo was amazing.  I wish more people had taken that away from the 90s Batman cartoon's aesthetics. Instead it's being done poorly by people like Aaron Diaz who mostly just slaps some rectangles on the side of a building and calls it good. And then he gets $50k a year to do practically nothing with his pandering science waifu of flexibly indeterminate Asian ethnicity. Maybe I should learn how to draw and then rip off Maakies and A Lesson is Learned until I get popular and cash in. Begemot posted:I've never noticed the off-model stuff, and honestly don't see what the big deal is? Like the only thing people say is that it's "unprofessional" but the rationale seems perfectly reasonable. It's only obsessive weirdos who are gonna be comparing relative heights across episodes anyway. So their entire fanbase? super sweet best pal fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Sep 30, 2017 |
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super sweet best pal posted:Why do people insist on following the latest fad style quote:I wish more people had taken that away from the 90s Batman cartoon's aesthetics.  It's only not a fad because you're old.
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super sweet best pal posted:Instead it's being done poorly by people like Aaron Diaz who mostly just slaps some rectangles on the side of a building and calls it good. No, see, this is it. This is people "bringing back" Art Deco. It's only ever going to be soulless poo poo* because it's pandering to nostalgia for an isolated aspect of a particular snapshot of history, without regard to everything that caused that art style to emerge and be accepted at that time. See also Michael Bublé, the Aaron Diaz of Swing. *you mention the '90s batman cartoon, but that wasn't a revival of Art Deco aesthetics, it was a full on noir crime drama, but with batman, and not actually chronologically set in the early 20th century (though you'll notice it wasn't really set in any other real time period either). Dresden Codak hosed up because its application of visual aesthetic is, as you note, paper thin. The whole thing could be set on a zeerusted spaceship straight out of The Jetsons and it wouldn't make any substantive difference to the story, or even to the feeling of the environments he creates.
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PMush Perfect posted:
Also this.
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HorseRenoir posted:I find a lot of complaining about storyboard-driven cartoons going "off model" to be really dumb and boring. Loose character designs are not goofs or errors; very few shows have rigid character "models" like Family Guy and part of what makes a lot of shows fun is watching boarders take artistic liberties with a design for artistic effect. Yeah dunno why the convo on inconsistent character heights and off model poo poo even started, that has nothing to do with the original point. Which is the 2nd thing you said, there.
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HorseRenoir posted:Also it sucks that so many webcomic artists are ripping off Steven Universe, because most of their attempts to copy that style look super toothless and bland because of all the rounded edges and pastel colors. IMO, even a lot of webcomic artists who have worked on that show lack the sense of roughness and texture that Rebecca Sugar's own drawings have. 
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The key difference there is detail; Cucumber Quest has much more depth to its visuals due to being a still comic, while the SU knockoffs being complained about just copy the flat colouring style without realising that being animated is what makes up for it.
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my rear end has pastel colours and rounded edges, yet at the same time, a certain bite
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I'm starting to thin Avshalom might be evading her perma with an alt account here. Have you threatened the president or posted any fart porn or bird pictures anywhere yet?
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Sep 30, 2017 13:10
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If promising to devour the president with your vagina is a threat, we'd all be guilty
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only a fool disturbs an Old Ceremony before it's completion, imo
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HorseRenoir posted:I find a lot of complaining about storyboard-driven cartoons going "off model" to be really dumb and boring. Loose character designs are not goofs or errors; very few shows have rigid character "models" like Family Guy and part of what makes a lot of shows fun is watching boarders take artistic liberties with a design for artistic effect.
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Mr Phillby posted:It is maddening how often you see animation smears being posted as examples of bad animation or mistakes. I also remember how many people hated the Pain vs. Naruto fight for going off model despite it being legit the best piece of animation in entire run of that stiff rear end show. People cherry picking to prove a point? Why I never!
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Crocoswine posted:Yeah dunno why the convo on inconsistent character heights and off model poo poo even started, that has nothing to do with the original point. You know exactly why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ How am I supposed to correctly organise my character height charts if the artists can't keep this poo poo consistent????? 
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