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Mad Hamish
Jun 15, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



twistedmentat posted:

Mandate all breaks and lunches are paid, so no more working 8.5 hours so you can get a break. Full time should also be reduced to 32 hours. These are the kinds of things that as someone who's pretty much just worked minimum wage retail jobs for the last 20 years that piss me off. I mean besides being stuck at minimum wage because "we can't afford raises right now".

This is also why I find it impossible to feel bad for anyone making more than 60k a year. Yea there's problems, but i doubt you ever had to figure out if you could get a haircut or buy lunch for the next week.

This is great but while we're at it I'd also like a unicorn. A real one, not a lovely one made by joining the horn buds on a baby goat.

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yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Mad Hamish posted:

This is great but while we're at it I'd also like a unicorn. A real one, not a lovely one made by joining the horn buds on a baby goat.

lmao yeah never want anything better ever i get it

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

McGavin posted:

"Former pet nutritionist"

Former pet, nutrionist

Wistful of Dollars posted:

If you tattoo eyes on your eyelids you can sleep in class and your teacher will never know.

Think about it.

Won't work. They'll notice you aren't blinking.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

yellowcar posted:

lmao yeah never want anything better ever i get it

https://twitter.com/internethippo/status/881161169469403137?lang=en

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/913814023748980736

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




WTO opens panel into alleged Bombardier subsidies at Brazil's request

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bombardier-wto-embraer-subsidies-1.4313202

lmao

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
Surprise this hasn't been posted yet. Conservatives are real mad that Liberal MPs walked out of a meeting to prevent a vote for an anti-abortion Conservative MP to lead the Status of Women committee.

http://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/liberals-reject-conservative-choice-to-lead-status-of-women-committee-walk-out

quote:

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is cheering Liberal MPs who walked out of a hearing Tuesday to prevent a Conservative counterpart with anti-abortion views from being named to head up the House of Commons committee on the status of women.

All the Liberal members of the committee got up and walked out right before they were scheduled to hold a vote on nominating Alberta MP Rachael Harder to the position of committee chair.

Harder, who represents the riding of Lethbridge, didn’t want to discuss the matter Tuesday but she has in the past expressed support for laws enacted to protect the rights of “unborn children,” and has said she believes life begins at conception.

Trudeau told a news conference that his government supports the independence of committees, and that the Liberals on the status of women committee made the decision to walk out on their own — but that he supports their position.

“We will always defend women’s rights in this party and in this government,” Trudeau said.

“Quite frankly, one would hope that the committee for the status of women would have a spokesperson who would be able to stand up and unequivocally defend women’s rights. That’s sort of the point of the status of women committee.”

The Liberals hold a majority on the committee and could have voted down the nomination, but instead opted to make a show of their disapproval by walking out of the hearing.

As they left, Liberal MPs denounced Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer — also opposed to abortion, but in a far more delicate position as leader than an MP from Alberta — for putting Harder forward for the job.

“These are not liberal values,” said Liberal MP Marc Serre. “We wanted to take a position as a party that we don’t support this decision by the leader of the Opposition.”

The Liberals are challenging Scheer to put forward someone who is not from the right-wing fringe of his party — and who doesn’t share his opinion on abortion.

Scheer, however, insisted Tuesday that he put forward Harder’s name because she’s a hard-working, strong and democratically elected MP, and repeated his position that his Conservative caucus has no interest in advancing an anti-abortion agenda.

And he made it clear that despite what the prime minister said later, he believes Trudeau had a hand in Tuesday’s theatrics.

“It’s certainly unprecedented that the prime minister would interfere and block the nomination of a democratically elected member of Parliament to serve as chair of a committee,” he said.

“I think it shows a lack of respect for the parliamentary process. It’s very unfortunate.”

Conservative MP Lisa Raitt, one of several Tories who ran against Scheer for the leadership, defended the choice of Harder to chair the committee, insisting that her personal feelings about an issue needn’t cloud her ability to do the job.

“Look at it this way: her beliefs are her beliefs, and she holds them herself. There are members of cabinet, Justin Trudeau’s cabinet, who hold the same beliefs,” Raitt said.

Trudeau has made it abundantly clear that those members of cabinet are expected to toe the party line when it comes to voting on issues that might conflict with their beliefs on abortion, she added.

“When the government says Rachel Harder can’t be the chair of this committee, what they’re saying is they don’t trust her to put her personal beliefs aside. They don’t give her the benefit of the doubt.”

Committee vice-chair and Liberal MP Pam Damoff said it now falls to the Conservatives to decide what to do next.

Inside the meeting room, Harder accused the Liberal MPs of disrespecting the democratic process. She refused to respond to questions from journalists asking about her position on abortion.

Maryam Monsef, the minister for the status of women, echoed Trudeau’s support.

“I support their choice,” she said. “And applaud their decision to be heard.”

Sheila Malcolmson, the NDP status of women critic who first flagged Harder’s nomination, thanked the Liberals for taking action.

“Ms. Harder’s position and commitment to advance legislation restricting a woman’s right to choose makes her an inappropriate choice to head the House of Commons committee charged with defending women’s rights in Canada,” Malcolmson said.

“Reproductive justice is foundational to women’s rights and there can be no question that we will defend all women’s rights as we pursue the advancement of the status of women in Canada.”

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

On the one hand you probably shouldn't have someone who opposes abortion leading a group whose job it is to say "Women's rights are good and people should stop trying to abrogate them", cause the right to get an abortion at will is a pretty important pillar of that whole bodily autonomy thing.

On the other hand, Harper was also anti-abortion and yet in three terms as PM he raised the issue exactly zero times and squashed it more than that, so I don't think we have much to fear from the honourable member from frigging lethbridge.

quote:

The Liberals hold a majority on the committee and could have voted down the nomination, but instead opted to make a show of their disapproval by walking out of the hearing.

But on the other other hand this seems really dumb. Just vote 1 and move on.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
To be fair Harper was actually smart and knew that he would of killed his party if he openly opposed gay marriage or abortion, on the other hand Andrew Scheer appears to want to win a "Troll of the year" award.

Mad Hamish
Jun 15, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



yellowcar posted:

lmao yeah never want anything better ever i get it

It's almost as though firmly entrenched business and corporate interests would fight tooth and nail against anything that remotely improves the lives of their slaves workers.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012
So I've been reading through the Trump thread and USPOL and their discussions and it makes me want to ask here: how does our own police stack up in terms of corruption, and ineptitude? Incidents that stick out to me included the Toronto police shooting the kid in the streetcar a couple of years back, the RCMP literally home growing terrorists, and the relatively recent uncovered allegations of sexual misconduct pervading the RCMP. Is our police comparably toxic to the US? Are they better, and if they are, what contributes to that difference?

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

TheKingofSprings posted:

So I've been reading through the Trump thread and USPOL and their discussions and it makes me want to ask here: how does our own police stack up in terms of corruption, and ineptitude? Incidents that stick out to me included the Toronto police shooting the kid in the streetcar a couple of years back, the RCMP literally home growing terrorists, and the relatively recent uncovered allegations of sexual misconduct pervading the RCMP. Is our police comparably toxic to the US? Are they better, and if they are, what contributes to that difference?

Just take those posts, replace the word "Black" with "Indigenous" and you have what Canadian police are.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

DariusLikewise posted:

Just take those posts, replace the word "Black" with "Indigenous" and you have what Canadian police are.

That's a bit disingenuous; so far this year the cops in the states have killed 730 unarmed people, whereas in Canada that number is estimated to be around 15-25 a year (no one really keeps track of it here).

The RCMP is a poo poo organization that should be exterminated from the top down, but let's not pretend our cops are going around randomly shooting natives all the time like they do in America.

Squatch Ambassador
Nov 12, 2008

What? Never seen a shaved Squatch before?
When I used to work as a bouncer the RCMP would send a few officers to monitor the crowd at closing time. Once I saw a native dude get tazed for pissing behind a dumpster, when people called him out on it the officer actually used the "he fit a description" line. They would also regularly instigate fights between people just to have an excuse to beat up both parties. I don't think I ever saw any of the officers stop obviously intoxicated people from getting in their car and driving off.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

HookShot posted:

That's a bit disingenuous; so far this year the cops in the states have killed 730 unarmed people, whereas in Canada that number is estimated to be around 15-25 a year (no one really keeps track of it here).

The RCMP is a poo poo organization that should be exterminated from the top down, but let's not pretend our cops are going around randomly shooting natives all the time like they do in America.

Our population is a tenth of the United States. The issue in the States isn't that they are "randomly shooting" people it's that in situations that require force, cops are shooting black people and coddling white people. It's literally the same thing here when cops have to deal with Indigenous people.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

HookShot posted:

That's a bit disingenuous; so far this year the cops in the states have killed 730 unarmed people, whereas in Canada that number is estimated to be around 15-25 a year (no one really keeps track of it here).

The RCMP is a poo poo organization that should be exterminated from the top down, but let's not pretend our cops are going around randomly shooting natives all the time like they do in America.

They still attack minorities for funsies, otherwise Dziekanski would be around :poland:

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

DariusLikewise posted:

Our population is a tenth of the United States. The issue in the States isn't that they are "randomly shooting" people it's that in situations that require force, cops are shooting black people and coddling white people. It's literally the same thing here when cops have to deal with Indigenous people.

A tenth of the population would still require our cops shooting people at 4-6 times the rate they are now to be on par with the USA.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

HookShot posted:

A tenth of the population would still require our cops shooting people at 4-6 times the rate they are now to be on par with the USA.

Consider ingrained gun culture and the higher risk of death to law enforcement as a result

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

HookShot posted:

A tenth of the population would still require our cops shooting people at 4-6 times the rate they are now to be on par with the USA.

So are you saying that police in Canada do not carry a prejudice towards indigenous people? Or that since the problem is statically better than it is in the USA we shouldn't be too hard on our officers?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

HookShot posted:

A tenth of the population would still require our cops shooting people at 4-6 times the rate they are now to be on par with the USA.

What about just beating them so severely they lose an eye and not reporting it to the SIU? Does it have to be a killing to count?

How do we track incidents that aren't reported or investigated?

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

DariusLikewise posted:

So are you saying that police in Canada do not carry a prejudice towards indigenous people? Or that since the problem is statically better than it is in the USA we shouldn't be too hard on our officers?

To be fair, the police's prejudice isn't exactly that much more out there than the average Canadian's.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

DariusLikewise posted:

So are you saying that police in Canada do not carry a prejudice towards indigenous people? Or that since the problem is statically better than it is in the USA we shouldn't be too hard on our officers?

No, I'm saying that while our police are poo poo and it would be dumb to ignore that, it's disingenuous to say they're as bad as America, where the police are killing a lot more people.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

infernal machines posted:

What about just beating them so severely they lose an eye and not reporting it to the SIU? Does it have to be a killing to count?

How do we track incidents that aren't reported or investigated?

Killings are a lot easier to track, sadly. I'd like to see nation-wide reports on police misconduct period as well. Statscan doesn't even look at killings unless the officers were determined to be criminally negligent (which I think it's safe to assume they never are because cops).

velvet milkman
Feb 13, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Lol there's going to be a neo nazi rally in Peterborough

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
let the trent students mix it up with em and it'll be the most interesting thing that has ever happened in peterborough.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

RBC posted:

yeah there's absolutely no reason everyone shouldn't have a paid lunch.

time you are at work is work and should be paid

government should have done this a long time ago

and overtime should start after 8 hours. not 44 hours a week. this isnt the 19th century

At first I thought you were being snarky saying Overtime starts when you work more than 8 hours a week, but you mean more than 8 hours a day.


Mad Hamish posted:

It's almost as though firmly entrenched business and corporate interests would fight tooth and nail against anything that remotely improves the lives of their slaves workers.

So you're saying guillotine for Galen Westin?

I thought exposure was the preferred method of police killing First Nations People.

murked by dragon posted:

Lol there's going to be a neo nazi rally in Peterborough

Doesn't the dude who's organizing it have the worst nazi tattoo ever?

velvet milkman
Feb 13, 2012

by R. Guyovich

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Yea that's it.

Also nice pants up to your sternum dude. Also he seems to have no upper torso, its just abdominal.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Our cops don't need to shoot people when they can just drive them into the country and let them freeze to death.

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity
Racism aside, a good example of Canadian police officers is the yearly peaceful March Against Police Brutality in Montreal, which invariably ends with police brutality.

:(

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

vyelkin posted:

Our cops don't need to shoot people when they can just drive them into the country and let them freeze to death.

Those stories are really horrible. I remember one that it was a kid who got left on the outskirts in Winnipeg in the dead of winter without warm clothing.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

twistedmentat posted:

Those stories are really horrible. I remember one that it was a kid who got left on the outskirts in Winnipeg in the dead of winter without warm clothing.

Yeah, that was the textbook "RCMP are bad and racist" story we got taught as a kid. He was only 17, too.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Mad Hamish posted:

It's almost as though firmly entrenched business and corporate interests would fight tooth and nail against anything that remotely improves the lives of their slaves workers.

so that means we shouldn't even try or consider it ok

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
It's ridiculous to say that the RCMP are as bad as American police, but that's about as faint of praise with which one can be damned. It's like saying Saudi Arabia is great because they're not as bad as Nazi Germany.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

ChairMaster posted:

It's ridiculous to say that the RCMP are as bad as American police, but that's about as faint of praise with which one can be damned. It's like saying Saudi Arabia is great because they're not as bad as Nazi Germany.

The RCMP are more like Hoover's FBI tbh

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Reince Penis posted:

The RCMP are more like Hoover's FBI tbh

Was Hoover's FBI really that incompetent?

MoaM
Dec 1, 2009

Joyous.
Myopic might be a better word to use; the Cold War made people do funny things.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

EvidenceBasedQuack posted:

Racism aside, a good example of Canadian police officers is the yearly peaceful March Against Police Brutality in Montreal, which invariably ends with police brutality.

:(

While this is true, its also true this event is just an annual street fight with cops. A good percentage of people attending are there for that purpose.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

A Typical Goon posted:

Does anyone know any good histories of the Winnipeg general strike? For such a big event I'm pretty ignorant of how it all went down. Preferably a focus on the strike leaders and Labour perspective but I'm open to anything that's good

I want to know this too.

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Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

A Typical Goon posted:

Does anyone know any good histories of the Winnipeg general strike? For such a big event I'm pretty ignorant of how it all went down. Preferably a focus on the strike leaders and Labour perspective but I'm open to anything that's good

I bored my grade 10 class to death by doing my Canadian history project on the Winnipeg General Strike, and there weren't many books at the time that focused exclusively on the strike. Surprisingly there still aren't many.
  • Confrontation at Winnipeg: Labour, Industrial Relations, and the General Strike by David Bercuson. Looks at the strike in a broad context of industrial relations in Canada after the war.
  • The Winnipeg General Strike of 1919: An Illustrated History by J. M. Bumsted. A little lighter than most social histories which isn't a bad thing. The pictures are great at least.
  • We're going to run this city: Winnipeg's Political Left after the General Strike by Stefan Epp-Koop looks at Winnipeg and the Left in the aftermath of the strike. I haven't read it but it looks good.
  • When the state trembled: How A.J. Andrews and the Citizens' Committee broke the Winnipeg General Strike by Reinhold Kramer and Tom Mitchell looks at how Winnipeg's business elite helped crush the strike.
  • Seeing Reds: The Red Scare of 1918-1919, Canada's First War on Terror by Daniel Francis puts the General Strike in the context of Canada's early anti-communist efforts.
There's a few older books and a number of scholarly articles on different aspects of the strike, but you'd need academic library access to get them. Although a bigger city reference library might have them!

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