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Chairchucker posted:Hawthorn fans born after 2012 I meant since '82. It's just a nice reversal of fortune.
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Chairchucker posted:North fans born after 1998
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snoremac posted:I just realized post-'82 Richmond babbies are the only babbies with a 100% GF success rate! When was the last bulldogs losing grand final
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snoremac posted:Sorry you're right, the Dogs have one too.
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snoremac posted:I just realized post-'82 Richmond babbies are the only babbies with a 100% GF success rate! The Saints have a 100% success rate since 1967 if you consider success to be crushing the hopes and dreams of Saints fans. That's like 2 generations worth of success!
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Solemn Sloth posted:When was the last bulldogs losing grand final I think it was something like 1961; I think Hawthorns first ever GF win was the Bulldogs last appearance until last year.
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I don't know if it was mentioned in here, but when the Crows did their stare down and didn't move when the anthem was over, the boo around the MCG was extremely loud. Bit of a backfire haha
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Another thing to note that hasn't been talked about a great deal: injuries to their opponents. All of Richmond's opponents suffered significant injury concerns either during or prior to their matches. Geelong had a crippled Selwood, lost their main tagger in Guthrie and someone else copped a bad knock. 2 man bench in the last. No Mumford, Cameron, or Shiel at GWS, are forced to play a clearly finished Stevie J No Smith or McGovern yesterday. Tigers meanwhile get a full and settled list all year. Nothing wrong with luck in finals, you need it to win flags IMO. But the Tigers had a cherry ripe run. hiddenmovement fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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The Deadly Hume posted:So now it's back to 7-8. poo poo ebbs and flows. The only other current stadium with a capacity even close to the MCG's is, ugh, Stadium Australia, which is a hole and might get demolished or at least significantly reconfigured in the next decade. (Also, the first game on my list was of course Waverley which could house 80,000 but of course that's gone now, replaced by Docklands as a major venue.) I think that's a fairly good look at it, but I also notice from the stats that the good teams that have usually made at least the finals almost always win at home and win significant amounts away and they have done so for quite a few years. Compare the top teams in the last 10 years to the lower teams and it really stands out. You can't win in this game unless doing that or it's a really freaky occurrence when a team does. So I would discount a lot of what fans think of as HGA. What is it about those teams that do well that overcomes such apparent obstacles? Managing travel and familiarity surely must be baseline coaching attributes in the modern game as much as injuries and attitude. No one is going to agree about umpiring, but could it be the umpires familiarity with the ground more than the teams perhaps? Or do the teams attitude at home actually count for more than away, affected by such things as supporters (because I've seen that trotted out in this thread as an excuse), and recovery as well as the above reasons? Questions like that get me annoyed about the lack of good stats that might shed light on them.
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Freo got 2 games at the G this year, and it's coming out of a season of 4 wins the year before. But you also look at the Bulldogs and Saints, also only two games at the G in 2017, both with far greater prospects of playing finals. And then you have North with only 1. With the AFL taking control of Etihad, does it give them far more scope to spread games at the G around more evenly? And give everyone a minimum 2 games per year with an aim for 3?
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hiddenmovement posted:Another thing to note that hasn't been talked about a great deal: injuries to their opponents. All of Richmond's opponents suffered significant injury concerns either during or prior to their matches. But this still opens a can of worms of the depth of a roster anyway, like you said luck plays into it well for Richmond on this but it's still a professional sport and if you can have a list that can win without some names out then too bad. And all the teams you mentioned still had to play each other (weakened or not) during finals anyway.
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ewe2 posted:I think that's a fairly good look at it, but I also notice from the stats that the good teams that have usually made at least the finals almost always win at home and win significant amounts away and they have done so for quite a few years. Compare the top teams in the last 10 years to the lower teams and it really stands out. You can't win in this game unless doing that or it's a really freaky occurrence when a team does. I've dug out my magical number machine again and there is a lot of noise in the numbers, but what I do know that very rarely do clubs have a season where they do better interstate than at home against interstate teams. Anyway, for people who want a decent player rating system that's a bit more open-source than whatever the AFL's player ratings system works on, the Hurling People Now people have come up with something really interesting in PAV. (which I guess they'll be applying a bit during draft period.) https://hurlingpeoplenow.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/introducing-player-approximate-value-pav/
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Hume, this might be a stupid question, but is there a significant difference in home ground advantage when you only compare the teams that made finals when they played other teams that made finals?
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hiddenmovement posted:Just let him vent hes had a bad weekend Might be the demons supporter in me but when your side chokes a big game then vent about how poo poo they were rather than ranting about organisational conspiracies that cost Our Brave Boys their shot at glory
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Port Adelaide ruckman Paddy Ryder has been charged with assault and hindering police during an alleged incident outside an Adelaide nightclub in the early hours of Sunday morning. Ryder, 29, was arrested by police, who allege he assaulted officers and hindered them making an arrest. They described the alleged incident as happening during "a disturbance involving a group of men at a licensed premises in Hindley Street, Adelaide".
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*sucks air through teeth* https://instagram.com/p/BZnZA5tBsB5/ Harley Bennell
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snaeksikn posted:Might be the demons supporter in me but when your side chokes a big game then vent about how poo poo they were rather than ranting about organisational conspiracies that cost Our Brave Boys their shot at glory You're kidding yourself if you don't think the AFL bent over backwards to ensure that the Tigers received every single advantage the AFL could possibly control from week 1 until the final siren on Saturday. The AFL are the masters of identifying the outcome they desire and then using their systems to work backwards, the MRP is a perfect scale model.
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NTRabbit posted:You're kidding yourself if you don't think the AFL bent over backwards to ensure that the Tigers received every single advantage the AFL could possibly control from week 1 until the final siren on Saturday. The AFL are the masters of identifying the outcome they desire and then using their systems to work backwards, the MRP is a perfect scale model. yeah but the crows were poo poo
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NTRabbit posted:You're kidding yourself if you don't think the AFL bent over backwards to ensure that the Tigers received every single advantage the AFL could possibly control from week 1 until the final siren on Saturday. The AFL are the masters of identifying the outcome they desire and then using their systems to work backwards, the MRP is a perfect scale model. Stop it
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NTRabbit posted:You're kidding yourself if you don't think the AFL bent over backwards to ensure that the Tigers received every single advantage the AFL could possibly control from week 1 until the final siren on Saturday. The AFL are the masters of identifying the outcome they desire and then using their systems to work backwards, the MRP is a perfect scale model. You loving lost to Richmond of all people. RICHMOND. Deal.
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gay picnic defence posted:Port Adelaide ruckman Paddy Ryder has been charged with assault and hindering police during an alleged incident outside an Adelaide nightclub in the early hours of Sunday morning. Well that's not a good start to the off-season for Port. I bet Kochie will have something great to say about this.
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Adelaide got smashed by Richmond to be more precise. Blame the umpires all you want but it doesn't change the fact that I can name the Adelaide players who had a good match on one hand.
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I wanted Richmond to lose as much as anyone. Its the worst. And yeah, ok in a perfect world the game would have been in Adelaide and yeah Richmond got a bit of the rub of the umpires. But to deny that the Crows didn't turn up and play like absolute piss is foolish. Richmond were the better team, no conspiracy.
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Spedman posted:*sucks air through teeth* I don't see the issue here, he's not doing blow off a hookers tits so I'm marking it in the win column for Freo
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hiddenmovement posted:I don't see the issue here, he's not doing blow off a hookers tits so I'm marking it in the win column for Freo Don’t get me wrong, he’s just having a nice holiday in the off season, it’s just that full back tattoo of the Perth skyline is just mind boggling
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Adelaide are saving the flag for when Smith, McGovern and Gibbs can enjoy it
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I hope we still have Charlie Cameron when we win the flag next year.
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NTRabbit posted:You're kidding yourself if you don't think the AFL bent over backwards to ensure that the Tigers received every single advantage the AFL could possibly control from week 1 until the final siren on Saturday. The AFL are the masters of identifying the outcome they desire and then using their systems to work backwards, the MRP is a perfect scale model. If there were any teams that the AFL want to win the Grand Final, it is either the Swans or Giants, not some team from South Australia
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I really think they would prefer Brisbane were competitive again over the Swans.
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hiddenmovement posted:I really think they would prefer Brisbane were competitive again over the Swans. Brisbane and GC, and there's also a huge commercial advantage to success for certain old large VFL clubs who have been nowhere near it for a while, ie Richmond, Essendon, Carlton
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Jake Lever 2018 norm smith medallist
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NTRabbit posted:Brisbane and GC, and there's also a huge commercial advantage to success for certain old large VFL clubs who have been nowhere near it for a while, ie Richmond, Essendon, Carlton I'd look into that if I were you, clearly Adelaide players were bribed to play like poo poo.
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I think Adelaide just sucked on the day, maybe that's it? Nah, has to be some conspiracy involving the AFL, local retailers and the state government.
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NTRabbit posted:Brisbane and GC, and there's also a huge commercial advantage to success for certain old large VFL clubs who have been nowhere near it for a while, ie Richmond, Essendon, Carlton I have a feeling that unless the Dogs turn things around big time next year, they're about to prove that it only matters if you don't have massive issues lingering in the background.
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Personally if you gave me today the option that Melbourne would win a grand final win in 2050, and not a second sooner, or for us to take our chances year in year out, I'd take 2050 in a heartbeat
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Sweet, I heard the AFL also caused Swans to beat Essendon in the elimination final too FYI
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