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By the way in case anyone forgot CHIP is about to die.quote:Advocates for children’s health started worrying months ago that congressional incompetence would jeopardize the nation’s one indisputable healthcare success — the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which has reduced the uninsured rate among kids to 5% from 14% over the two decades of its existence.
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Unoriginal Name posted:Maybe we should have an education system that produces citizens capable of understanding laws, rather than specialists who do it for them I'd love to have Civics be a course you're forced to take in 11th / 12th grade so people can get a decent grasp on how basic government and politics work, but that might be asking too much.
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Jizz Festival posted:I never advocated for banning lawyers. I was arguing against people claiming that lawyers dominate congress because they make great legislators. And I never argued that they make better legislators than other people. You're being obtuse and misinterpreting what a lot of people in the thread are saying with this. Keep in mind that it all started with this Kilroy posted:It would get the loving lawyers out, at least. and if you're going to paint me and many others with the same brush as like one guy then don't be surprised when it happens to you, too.
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Good thing I'm no longer a child at least.
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Grouchio posted:Good thing I'm no longer a child at least. Politifact rates this as: mostly false.
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Grapplejack posted:I'd love to have Civics be a course you're forced to take in 11th / 12th grade so people can get a decent grasp on how basic government and politics work, but that might be asking too much. I had a class like that. I learned about things like unfunded mandates and the grey panthers.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 06:32 |
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The party of life is allllll about the babykilling.
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Condiv posted:edit: i really don't get why some people are pretending we're trying to dumb down congress or be anti-intellectual in advocating for less lawyers in congress It's the same shitheads who think IT folks should be launched into the sun the moment they have an opinion on anything other than what's the best OS[1], but for some reason lawyers should be in charge of running the country and gently caress you if you think otherwise. Lawyers know everything about everything and that's why you want lawyers pondering the finer points of economic theory and how to put together a sensible health care system. It is exactly the same sort of "common sense" horseshit coming from talk radio talking poo poo about college professors, except from a different direction. [1]Linux Mint
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Office Pig posted:By the way in case anyone forgot CHIP is about to die. Yep, Minnesota has about 6 weeks of emergency CHIP funding left and I doubt the Republicans in the State House and Senate will allow any more spending.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 06:53 |
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Pretty sure that if we had a legislature dominated by hedge fund managers and I said "get the loving bankers out of Congress" no one would say peep about how I apparently want to murder all the bankers and create a society without banks. But as soon as I say "get the loving lawyers out" apparently I've got an unquenchable thirst for lawyer blood Tell you what: I'll settle for 6% of Congress being lawyers. That to me, qualifies as "get the loving lawyers out". All you L&J majors' fee-fees better now? jfc
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 07:09 |
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:And I never argued that they make better legislators than other people. You're being obtuse and misinterpreting what a lot of people in the thread are saying with this. Kilroy wasn't saying we should ban lawyers either.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 07:10 |
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As a (soon-to-be) lawyer: ban all lawyers.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 07:16 |
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thehoodie posted:As a (soon-to-be) lawyer: ban all lawyers. as an economist: ban all lawyers
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 07:17 |
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Lawyers are important, I will die defending them.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 09:21 |
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Unoriginal Name posted:Maybe we should have an education system that produces citizens capable of understanding laws, rather than specialists who do it for them Specialization has benefits. Not everyone has an aptitude or interest for law, and if everyone spends years studying law then that's time they're not doing something else.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 11:09 |
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Our understanding of law, civics, and government should be better than it is coming out of high school. That doesn't change the fact that specialization is required for a full understanding of any of the hyper specific aspects of our society. It's not a bad thing that lawyers are so deeply involved in our politics but it probably is a bad thing that so many lawyers are present to the exclusion of other socially relevant professions. We could use a lot more teachers, medical professionals, social workers, builders, etc.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 11:26 |
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Our understanding of law, civics, and government should be better than it is coming out of high school. That doesn't change the fact that specialization is required for a full understanding of any of the hyper specific aspects of our society. It's not a bad thing that lawyers are so deeply involved in our politics but it probably is a bad thing that so many lawyers are present to the exclusion of other socially relevant professions. We could use a lot more teachers, medical professionals, social workers, builders, etc. exactly! i dunno why this is such a controversial thing to say in this thread
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 12:01 |
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Then the solution you want is to reduce the barriers of entry to politics. Something I wager both major parties will vehemently oppose, perhaps especially the Democrats, thanks to entrenched nepotism and deeply classist culture.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Then the solution you want is to reduce the barriers of entry to politics. Something I wager both major parties will vehemently oppose, perhaps especially the Democrats, thanks to entrenched nepotism and deeply classist culture. Jesus dude every single post of yours is randomly making GBS threads on the Democrats did they kill your dog or something?
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 13:05 |
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socialsecurity posted:Jesus dude every single post of yours is randomly making GBS threads on the Democrats did they kill your dog or something? Well, considering everything they said was true...
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 13:35 |
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Kilroy posted:they have criminal justice degrees or some poo poo probably What kind of computer janitor are you? Because Linux Mint is a garbage recommendation to give if your friend is asking you what OS to get and they aren't running a server farm for fun in their basement. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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There is a problem with lawyers making up the majority of congress. This is that if you have anyone profession dominant in congress it means that you have people of a certain view dominant to the point that other views are not considered. This would also be true if congress were dominated by farmers.
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Crowsbeak posted:There is a problem with lawyers making up the majority of congress. This is that if you have anyone profession dominant in congress it means that you have people of a certain view dominant to the point that other views are not considered. This would also be true if congress were dominated by farmers. A majority farmers congress would be worth it if only to see every bougie urbanite throw conniption fit.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 15:13 |
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Crowsbeak posted:There is a problem with lawyers making up the majority of congress. This is that if you have anyone profession dominant in congress it means that you have people of a certain view dominant to the point that other views are not considered. This would also be true if congress were dominated by farmers. Farmers don't make their living arguing their case to the death even if they don't believe what they are saying. How many congressman actually spend a significant amount of time sitting in a dim office writing up hundreds of page long bills anyways? And how many actually read all the bills that are put before them? Isn't that all the responsibility of a bunch of nameless staffers? If so, then those staffers for sure need to be lawyers, but actual congressman don't really benefit from an extremely specialized background in law. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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I'm glad there are apparently lawyers that aren't terrible people, but nearly every lawyer I've met IRL has been extremely fucky and willing to defend the most heinous poo poo in our system just because "well it IS legal beep boop."
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 15:16 |
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Reminder that this stupid fucker wanted to oust Nancy Pelosi as Speaker.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 15:18 |
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I have an unquenchable thirst for lawyer blood tbh
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 15:21 |
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Lawyers are necessary in a society but not as many as the US has. Japan has like 1/10th of the lawyers per capita as the US and they aren't some lawless hellhole. Disclosure: I am nominally a lawyer but haven't practiced in years.
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Alter Ego posted:Reminder that this stupid fucker wanted to oust Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. Reminder that other stupid fuckers thought that backing Ryan over Pelosi was a good idea.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 15:35 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Reminder that other stupid fuckers thought that backing Ryan over Pelosi was a good idea. I suspect most of those folks just wanted Pelosi gone for whatever reason, and didn't realize who was waiting in the wings to replace her.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 15:37 |
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MizPiz posted:A majority farmers congress would be worth it if only to see every bougie urbanite throw conniption fit. In the age of mechanized agriculture, farmers are bougie. We aren't talking old timey Jeffersonian salt of the earth types here.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 15:38 |
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DaveWoo posted:I suspect most of those folks just wanted Pelosi gone for whatever reason, and didn't realize who was waiting in the wings to replace her. Or it could be she is a woman in power and people are misogynists. It isn't more complicated than that.
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Quorum posted:In the age of mechanized agriculture, farmers are bougie. We aren't talking old timey Jeffersonian salt of the earth types here. From most personal experience, most farmers are still struggling with booms and busts, expensive machinery and likely rising debt.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Or it could be she is a woman in power and people are misogynists. It isn't more complicated than that. Oh yeah, Pelosi never did anything to warrant any sort of criticism whatsoever. gently caress off already.
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Inescapable Duck posted:From most personal experience, most farmers are still struggling with booms and busts, expensive machinery and likely rising debt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kic1wyYI6k
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steinrokkan posted:Oh yeah, Pelosi never did anything to warrant any sort of criticism whatsoever. gently caress off already. Pelosi is a mixed bag, but mostly positive. Supports PRISM and originally supported water boarding (although opposed it later), but is basically solid on environment, voted against the Iraq war both times, supported lifting embargo on Cuba, supported minimum wage increase, is pro-abortion and convinced Obama to push through ACA (over the objections of that real useless poo poo: Rahm Emanuel). I mean, she's not "full communism now" by any means, but of all the Democrats she's probably one of the better ones.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 16:35 |
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Condiv posted:that's above the maximum given by nate silver. in any case, if you want to re-litigate 2016 take it to the thunderdome If you're citing Nate Silver, he says Comey letter probably did swing the election.
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# ? Oct 1, 2017 16:36 |
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Paying teachers like other professional career paths sounds great. Pay teachers like engineers. Maybe even a few English degrees will go into teaching instead of defaulting to law school to get by (with massive amounts of debt).
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Pelosi is a mixed bag, but mostly positive. Supports PRISM and originally supported water boarding (although opposed it later) yronic heroism posted:If you're citing Nate Silver, he says Comey letter probably did swing the election.
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It can be succinctly stated that generally speaking, Americans do not appreciate what it takes to have a functional society. Most people I know in public service would argue that they have to do things beyond the theoretical scope of their job constantly because they want society to function and they know it won't get done otherwise. This ranges from teachers to food regulation to building inspectors and service workers. We know the economics of why capitalism wants to pay the numerous and required workers less, but have we ever considered why we embrace the concept of low level but required jobs being without dignity? Isn't the same mindset that makes fun of computer and building janitors, teachers and college instructors without masters the same people who we can point at as Part Of The Problem in the Democratic Party?
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