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How much of the poo poo wrong in our country is because it's politically incorrect to tell hell fuckers they are bad people and their ideas are wrong?
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Oct 1, 2017 17:47
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Oct 1, 2017 17:59
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https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/914535534718062592 Huh, weird, almost like the rage directed at athletes was never about the anthem at all 
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Oct 1, 2017 18:08
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/914535534718062592 that's been p obvious since kaepernick ignited a firestorm for protesting silently
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Oct 1, 2017 18:11
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Pelosi is a mixed bag, but mostly positive. Supports PRISM and originally supported water boarding (although opposed it later), but is basically solid on environment, voted against the Iraq war both times, supported lifting embargo on Cuba, supported minimum wage increase, is pro-abortion and convinced Obama to push through ACA (over the objections of that real useless poo poo: Rahm Emanuel). What really gives Pelosi a bad rep is that her role as minority leader means that she has to serve as a mouthpiece for whatever the actual leaders of the party wants to say/support, which means she comes off as erratic as best. That having been said she has pushed UHC through her part of congress without any qualms in the past, so she likely wouldn't be a real roadblock to M4A.
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Oct 1, 2017 18:44
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Condiv posted:that's been p obvious since mlk ignited a firestorm for protesting peacefully
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Oct 1, 2017 18:56
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Neurolimal posted:What really gives Pelosi a bad rep is that her role as minority leader means that she has to serve as a mouthpiece for whatever the actual leaders of the party wants to say/support, which means she comes off as erratic as best. That having been said she has pushed UHC through her part of congress without any qualms in the past, so she likely wouldn't be a real roadblock to M4A. She's also really really good at whipping up her caucus as minority leader. That's contributed quite a bit towards the GOP infightings since the GOP must appease the piss baby caucus rather than target filthy centrists.
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Oct 1, 2017 19:06
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i don't like pelosi cause she doesn't like antifa
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Oct 1, 2017 19:10
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twodot posted:I legitimately don't understand how people get to here and think that a politician that only supported torture for a little bit is mostly positive. Surely we can find politicians that both support a minimum wage and never thought it was a good idea to needlessly inflict harm on other human beings?
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Oct 1, 2017 19:15
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Condiv posted:i don't like pelosi cause she doesn't like antifa You not liking Pelosi is literally the least shocking thing ever.
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Oct 1, 2017 19:16
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:You not liking Pelosi is literally the least shocking thing ever. being anti-antifa is a pretty big strike against anyone
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Oct 1, 2017 19:19
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Condiv how dare you. Nancy Pelosi almost certainly has good reasons to not like antifa, like they killed her parents or smashed the window of her favorite Starbucks
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Oct 1, 2017 19:25
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twodot posted:I legitimately don't understand how people get to here and think that a politician that only supported torture for a little bit is mostly positive. Surely we can find politicians that both support a minimum wage and never thought it was a good idea to needlessly inflict harm on other human beings? She claimed it was because she didn't get a complete briefing about what waterboarding entailed. Even if you don't believe that (I personally don't), I'll take people who come to their senses after a bout of war hysteria and jingoism, than those who don't. I mean, I don't count this as a positive, I count all of her other work as positive (she was level-headed enough to oppose both Iraq invasions). Unfortunately, with politicians, you sometimes just get who you get. Hatred for Pelosi needs to be contextualized to how lovely many other Dems are and what else she herself has done. Politics will always be a mixed bag: you still want better politicians, but they will inevitably be poisoned in some way or other by the system they work in. Condiv posted:i don't like pelosi cause she doesn't like antifa Sadly, so do most Dems. It's unlikely that the old guard is ever going to be pro-antifa (even if they're anti-fascist, they'll prefer to rely on non-violence and legalism to deal with them, without really understanding the limits of both of these approaches). I think there is a certain level of culture shock here: lots of people have been utterly blind to how terrible the US is and has been for a long time. Hell, some of my Dem in-laws, with the best of intentions, still can't understand why America is "suddenly bad" (must be Trump and not decades of racism, sexism, religious extremism, ignorance and economic collapse). So, hating her for something she really doesn't understand may not be super productive. Look to Pelosi to support some classical Dem bulwarks (women's rights, min wage, some low-level anti-Imperialism), but look to newer politicians for the other stuff that you want.
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Oct 1, 2017 19:46
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Hellblazer187 posted:Lawyers are necessary in a society but not as many as the US has. Japan has like 1/10th of the lawyers per capita as the US and they aren't some lawless hellhole. I thought that the issue that created the glut of lawyers in the US was kids being told they'll make a shitload of money if they went to law school. Now a whole lot of them have the training but serve tables because there's no work.
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Oct 1, 2017 20:04
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PR news: everyone in all the ICUs has died. https://twitter.com/NelsonMRosario/status/914220569402281985
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Oct 1, 2017 20:09
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WrenP-Complete posted:PR news: everyone in all the ICUs has died. that was one ICU, not all of them. it's a brutal enough anecdote without embellishment.
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Oct 1, 2017 20:18
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The hurricane kills all your patients. All your patients, killed.
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Oct 1, 2017 20:29
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Star Man posted:I thought that the issue that created the glut of lawyers in the US was kids being told they'll make a shitload of money if they went to law school. Now a whole lot of them have the training but serve tables because there's no work. Ehh, sortof. There are only so many "middle class" careers that 1) you can theoretically train for by going to school (i.e, they don't involve owning your own factory or inheriting from someone who does, and) 2) don't require specialized mathematical or scientific knowledge In other words, if you go to school and graduate but don't go to school in STEM, what are you gonna do? Useta be -- and by "useta be" I mean prior generations -- you could go into the clergy, or law, or academia of one sort or another (even if it was just local schoolteacher), or you could be a journalist and write for the local paper, etc. Look at that list of options. They're all gone now except lawyering. Nobody has any religious beliefs, academia is so bad adjunct professors are turning to prostitution to make ends meet, all the papers are dead and the online replacements expect you to work "for exposure", etc. So the only straightforward career path left for that demographic is law. So they ALL go into law. It's that or wait tables. Then some of them end up waiting tables anyway, because there are only so many jobs. But it wasn't that they all went into it with starry eyed dreams of BIG MONEY CASH NOW, it's just a matter of poo poo, I've got a liberal arts degree and student loan debt, wtf am I supposed to do? I mean it's still not horrible. A workaday lawyer making median lawyer money is still doing way better than her buddy who decided to go into journalism or teaching instead. But the real answer is we need to find a way to pay all those other career choices better. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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Oct 1, 2017 20:41
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awesmoe posted:that was one ICU, not all of them. it's a brutal enough anecdote without embellishment. To clarify: I heard what I wrote from an ICU nurse with more information, which is different than the tweet. WrenP-Complete fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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Oct 1, 2017 20:45
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In short: decades of austerity measures have resulted in the only reliable jobs being the ones the austerity pushers have.
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Star Man posted:I thought that the issue that created the glut of lawyers in the US was kids being told they'll make a shitload of money if they went to law school. Now a whole lot of them have the training but serve tables because there's no work. Most lawyers I know are working as lawyers or at least in some other white collar middlish class job. In 2009, yeah, everyone was hosed (the year I graduated!) but it's recovered a bit. It's still not like it was, where a law degree is guaranteed upper middle class. I went to law school to become a public defender but since the market crashed that very year and my state had tremendous debt, there were no openings in the government. By the time things had recovered I'd already moved and started pursuing my CPA license.
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Oct 1, 2017 20:46
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RuanGacho posted:How much of the poo poo wrong in our country is because it's politically incorrect to tell hell fuckers they are bad people and their ideas are wrong? Well really its because we just can't send malthusians to what I like to call learning centers.
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Oct 1, 2017 20:48
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Crowsbeak posted:Well really its because we just can't send malthusians to what I like to call learning centers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusianism posted:Malthusianism has attracted criticism from a diverse range of differing schools of thought, including Marxists[6] and socialists,[7] libertarians and free market enthusiasts,[8][9] social conservatives,[10] feminists[11] and human rights advocates, characterizing it as excessively pessimistic, misanthropic or inhuman. http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=34198 quote:Compulsory Abortion for American Women x  Guess what the conservative critique is about the Obama admin wanting to destroy white people. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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Oct 1, 2017 20:58
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Suggesting it's a privilege to eat is malthusian.
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Oct 1, 2017 21:07
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ehh, sortof. So what happens when the STEM jobs dry up?
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Star Man posted:So what happens when the STEM jobs dry up? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800017
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Crowsbeak posted:Suggesting it's a privilege to eat is malthusian. Right, I get that, I just find the fact that the wikipedia article cites it as conservative criticism when all it really is concerned about is that population control might be turned on "americans" which in context is a pretty strong dog whistle. I'm not really going to digress from it here but I find it not a very compelling argument, I have a lot of work I could put people to if I had the budget for it.
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Oct 1, 2017 21:10
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Yeah, I figured. Though as someone with a degree in comp/rhet, I can't help but grin at the idea of STEMlords being put out of a job.
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Oct 1, 2017 21:19
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Star Man posted:So what happens when the STEM jobs dry up? Red revolution and evolution or black (fascist) revolution and a new dark ages. Choose your adventure! (Yes, the black flag is anarchist. Didn't mean to demean our anarchist friends, the analogy just sounded better with just two colors. :p )
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Oct 1, 2017 21:41
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Star Man posted:Yeah, I figured. I'm a dev. We're next after that. Just because our chopping block is a little further away, doesn't mean we can't see the flies.
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Oct 1, 2017 21:42
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Star Man posted:Yeah, I figured. Sorry about your poor life choices. The crab bucket mentality among some internet "progressives" has always been a bit bizarre, since these same people are screeching about the dying middle class.
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Oct 1, 2017 22:06
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Star Man posted:Yeah, I figured. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800017#post466971991 Cicero posted:Programmers have been attempting to automate themselves out of a job since the first assembler. Thus far they've been spectacularly unsuccessful.
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Oct 1, 2017 22:20
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Ravenfood posted:Do they also come with a ridiculously good ability to control their party in the House? Pembroke Fuse posted:She claimed it was because she didn't get a complete briefing about what waterboarding entailed. quote:Even if you don't believe that (I personally don't), I'll take people who come to their senses after a bout of war hysteria and jingoism, than those who don't. quote:Unfortunately, with politicians, you sometimes just get who you get.
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tsa posted:Sorry about your poor life choices. inorite I made a choice to learn how to read and write critically at the expense of not making a bunch of money out of the gate. Guess I'll just have to settle with shitposting on the Internet. Oh well.
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Honestly, since the minority leader represents how the party elite feel I'm not sure you can do better than Pelosi until said elite are replaced. Otherwise at best you'll have a leftist politician supporting stupid poo poo through clenched teeth.
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Most STEM fields are just as bad in terms of employment as everything else. When people talk about all the jobs and pay for STEM, they really only mean the TE part (plus medicine). Computer related stuff and engineering still pretty well in comparison to other stuff. But the average person with a degree in biology or architecture or whatever will not be doing that differently from your average History major (for most science majors who don't go on to become MDs or PhDs the most common employer is the same as for humanities: public school systems). And far worse than your average accounting major.
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Oct 2, 2017 01:46
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joepinetree posted:Most STEM fields are just as bad in terms of employment as everything else. When people talk about all the jobs and pay for STEM, they really only mean the TE part (plus medicine). Computer related stuff and engineering still pretty well in comparison to other stuff. But the average person with a degree in biology or architecture or whatever will not be doing that differently from your average History major (for most science majors who don't go on to become MDs or PhDs the most common employer is the same as for humanities: public school systems). And far worse than your average accounting major. Starting pay for chemist in a poo poo mill here's about 40k/yr. 
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Oct 2, 2017 02:01
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yeah I know all about stems, like cherries and peppers
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All the young people should go into chemistry or pharma and help kill white Merica with drugs.
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